McCain's New Vice President

Still watching the debate that rtfw posted, but I've watched the other couple of clips that brownell had posted, so far its pretty good stuff. I really like the fact that she is for oil and gas exploration in Alaska to help make the US. independent of foreign energy supplies...

evidently the Sarah Palin nude photo thing was an internet hoax.

i won't vote for mccain, but she seems like a pretty cool character in this sudden limelight.

I've spent the last 3 or 4 hours, reviewing debates and reading articles about her. The only thing I've come up with for certain, is the fact that she's a politician. I'm really no closer to coming to a decision about if she was a good choice, or if I really like her or not...

Gonna need more time to make that decision I guess

there's a bunch of cool pics of her growing up here

http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/509850.html?/1521/gallery/509852-a509989-t3.html

Az

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

Actually, the people are genius. That ranking (which you brought up) is based on average family income and per capital incomes. If anything, I'm not voting for you for anything

Well I know for damn sure I'm not voting for YOU as far as learning how to properly work quotes and shit on this message board goes. :P

And what I quoted was the GSP, which is the sum of all value added by industries within the state and serves as a counterpart to the gross domestic product or GDP. I don't believe it has anything to do whatsoever with how rich families are in the state.

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Originally posted by brownell

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It does seem odd that someone would get fired for not agreeing about banning books, and then no further attempt is made to have the book banned.
I'm dismissing the whole thing as uncredible at this point. There appears to be a single instance in Palins history when the issue of "book banning" may have come up. There does not appear to be any evidence that Palin actually tried to have any book banned, and not even any mention of what type of book it might have been. There's conflicting reports of whether said librarian was ever fired, and if she was, whether she was rehired.

Here is the list of books Sarah Palin wanted banned from the library:

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
As I Lay Dying, by William Faulkner
The Canterbury Tales, by Geoffrey Chaucer
Confession, by Jean Jacques Rousseau
Death of a Salesman, by Arthur Miller
Flowers for Algernon, by Daniel Keyes
Lady Chatterley's Lover, by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood, by the Grimm Brothers
Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
Lysistrata, by Aristophanes
Of Mice and Men, by John Steinbeck
To Kill a Mocking Bird, by Harper Lee
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, by Ken Kesey
The Chocolate War, by Robert Cormier
Pigman, by Paul Zindel

Plus:

Anything by Stephen King,
Everything by J.K. Rowling,
just about everything by Roald Dahl,
both of Mark Twain's major works,
most of Judy Blume,
most of William Shakespeare,
and (this is truly mind-boggling) Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff

GalleyCat@ http://www.mediabistro.com/ slyly comments, "Maybe if she didn't want to ban
'Our Bodies, Ourselves' by Boston Women's Health Collective her daughter Bristol wouldn't be having a shotgun wedding." Yes, that book is one of those she wanted to ban.

Mary Ellen Baker resigned from her library director's job in 1999.

http://joan-druett.[blacklisted]/2008/09/palins-attempt-to-ban-books.html

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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And what I quoted was the GSP, which is the sum of all value added by industries within the state and serves as a counterpart to the gross domestic product or GDP. I don't believe it has anything to do whatsoever with how rich families are in the state.

Well, do some more google searches Junior and you'll find the other stuff -- i.e. average family income and shit.

Honestly, aside from not voting for wtwhizz (NEVER!!) I don't know what to do with it. I think we'd have a different America if McCain had won in 2000. I think he deserves it. I absolutely think that.

I just hate all of the pandering. Most people are not ultra-liberals who want the government to spoon feed us and most people aren't ultra-conservatives who want an American theocracy. Yet, those two sides are the ones that seem to get the loudest voices. Those are sides where the shouting match comes from (Michael Moore needs to swallow Ann Coulter and choke on her so they both go away).

I used to think McCain was a centrist. He is more to the middle than Obama, but now Palin seems so far right that the average is no better than Obama/Biden. I think what the country actually needs is a libertarian. Plain and simple. Less government and none of your business what goes on in my bedroom.

But then if you vote libertarian, it feels like that vote is wasted -- cause they aren't going to win -- and you still need to do all you can to keep the crazy extremists on either side from taking power.

Anyone is better than Obama or Hillary. It will be a sad day in America if Obama gets elected.

yea, whatever.

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

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Well, do some more google searches Junior and you'll find the other stuff -- i.e. average family income and shit.

Honestly, aside from not voting for wtwhizz (NEVER!!) I don't know what to do with it. I think we'd have a different America if McCain had won in 2000. I think he deserves it. I absolutely think that.

I just hate all of the pandering. Most people are not ultra-liberals who want the government to spoon feed us and most people aren't ultra-conservatives who want an American theocracy. Yet, those two sides are the ones that seem to get the loudest voices. Those are sides where the shouting match comes from (Michael Moore needs to swallow Ann Coulter and choke on her so they both go away).

I used to think McCain was a centrist. He is more to the middle than Obama, but now Palin seems so far right that the average is no better than Obama/Biden. I think what the country actually needs is a libertarian. Plain and simple. Less government and none of your business what goes on in my bedroom.

But then if you vote libertarian, it feels like that vote is wasted -- cause they aren't going to win -- and you still need to do all you can to keep the crazy extremists on either side from taking power.

First of all, you don't have to be an ass? I think you're a little too emotionally invested in this thing. Chill out.

Past that, I agree with you completely.

I'll scratch in Ron Paul's name on my ticket like I said I would last year. I could give a shit about Palin or McCain or Obama, though I think McCain would be better. Again, it's like Bush v. Kerry. Do you want a douche, or a turd sandwich?

The Libertarian party, unfortunately, has absolutely no shot in this country. We've become too reliant on the government and too reliant on the media to spoon feed us their version of the facts, news, etc. The education system in this country is also so pathetic that it's hard for the average person to learn about politics, government, etc. and make real decisions. That, and Americans are so overworked they really don't have time to give a damn about politics and really think about what's going on and why. Just enough time to get home after a hard day's work, open up their fast food, and zombie out to American Idol or Dancing with the Stars.

Maybe one day when things have gotten so bad that people can't help but figure out how screwed up the system is. Until then, just more of the same, regardless of who gets into office Elephant or Donkey.

See, I live and work in DC. I know how screwed the system is. I know it as well as anyone could.

I really liked Ron Paul. Smartest one of the lot. And a gynecologist. That little fucker might be my hero.

You are my hero too wtwhizz.

I'm curious where the list came from as no source is listed. That aside, I like her if for no other reason than she's pro-2nd amendment. My wife likes her because she speaks in a straightforward manner and seems to have her own opinions about verious issues... one of those previous clips even featured something along the lines of "John McCain is dea wrong on this issue" which speaks highly for her ability to say what's on her mind regardless of what might be seen as appropriate by others.

I was a pained and reluctant voter before her selection, hadn't committed to voting McCain into the office since I have a strong dislike for his liberal views. My other option was to not vote because I for certain wasn't going to vote for a socialist like Obama... now I'm more firmly (and cheerfully) set to vote for Palin... McCain I mean, yeah that's it.

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Originally posted by Seryano

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Here is the list of books Sarah Palin wanted banned from the library:

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
As I Lay Dying, by William Faulkner
The Canterbury Tales, by Geoffrey Chaucer
Confession, by Jean Jacques Rousseau
Death of a Salesman, by Arthur Miller
Flowers for Algernon, by Daniel Keyes
Lady Chatterley's Lover, by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood, by the Grimm Brothers
Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
Lysistrata, by Aristophanes
Of Mice and Men, by John Steinbeck
To Kill a Mocking Bird, by Harper Lee
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, by Ken Kesey
The Chocolate War, by Robert Cormier
Pigman, by Paul Zindel

Plus:

Anything by Stephen King,
Everything by J.K. Rowling,
just about everything by Roald Dahl,
both of Mark Twain's major works,
most of Judy Blume,
most of William Shakespeare,
and (this is truly mind-boggling) Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff

GalleyCat@[ Link ] slyly comments, "Maybe if she didn't want to ban
'Our Bodies, Ourselves' by Boston Women's Health Collective her daughter Bristol wouldn't be having a shotgun wedding." Yes, that book is one of those she wanted to ban.

Mary Ellen Baker resigned from her library director's job in 1999.

http://joan-druett.[blacklisted]/2008/09/palins-attempt-to-ban-books.html

That list has been discredited. The librarian even said there was no specific list of books.

I hadn't heard there was a list either, just a hypothetical conversation.

That said, if it is an accurate list, she left off National Geographic, so...you know, that is a good thing. The kids can still be introduced to floppy African boobies

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Originally posted by thurston247

Anyone is better than Obama or Hillary. It will be a sad day in America if Obama gets elected.

Why?

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Originally posted by EricLindros

Please stop being a troll. McCain is nothing like Bush, and saying it over and over again doesn't make it any more true, it just makes you come off like a partisan mouthpiece. Further, McCain is no more likely to die in office than any other president we've had. In fact, the only president to die in office over the last half a century was the youngest man ever elected President and the oldest man ever elected President served out his full term and lived for another 15 years afterward. Please stop with the idiotic "McCain is going to die in office" rhetoric.

A troll? Dude this is my forum topic, if anything you're trolling here by not even considering the option that he could die in office, seeing as he would be the oldest to be inaugurated. The guy has had cancer three times, even with the best care in the world, at his age you can't fight it off forever. Being a President of our country, especially at this time, ages a man 10 fold, look at what it did to Clinton and his 8 years weren't nearly as bad as the next 8 years will be for one or 2 people. The fact that you aren't even considering the fact that it's a huge possibility is frightening. You can't take someone elses life as an example and apply it to another persons life. You have to look at what each person will be faced and what they have faced in the past and deduce what their chances are of croaking. You're lying to yourself if you say they're favorable.

I love republican taxes, I love republican patriotism, but my biggest deterrent from actually being a republican is how stubborn, blind, ignorant, and how unwilling to change even in the face of defeat they are. Your inability or denial to see how McCain is EXACTLY like Bush is simply laughable. I love my country and thats exactly why I don't want to see someone in office who has the exact same ideals as bush, someone who is just as stubborn as bush, someone who has the same foreign policy as bush, someone who isn't committed to reforming our schools like bush isn't, someone who is only concentrating on other countries and not paying any attention to our own like bush has been doing, someone who will not be working towards independence on oil like bush hasn't, and most importantly I won't be voting for someone who supports all the "efforts" Bush has made in the Middle East (ie: made a strong effort to send our precious soldiers to the wrong place to lose their lives for the wrong reasons). I urge you to go back and find a video of Bush's 2000 and 2004 RNC and then watch McCains 2008 RNC and see the striking similarities in their speeches. Then you can come back to me and then we'll talk more.

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Originally posted by fsujd524

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stubborn, blind, ignorant, and how unwilling to change even in the face of defeat they are

I would say that applies to both parties equally. Even after years of voters saying "do not want" to their further left candidates, and finally winning with a more centrist Bill Clinton, they continue to trot out further and further left candidates. The last elections were only close because Bush was not then and is not now a good candidate.

McCain is fairly centrist, especially compared to Obama, and outside of Iraq is much different than Bush. The similarities in the speeches at the RNC since 2000 is due to the main ideals being similar between Bush and McCain. Strong defense, lower taxes, decrease spending (a flat out Bush lie that he dropped in 2004 which McCain is much more likely to actually do than Bush ever was). You could find a ton of similarities between Obama and Carter's 1976 and 1980 speeches and their platforms. So since Carter was a terrible President (he makes Bush look like Teddy freakin' Roosevelt) that means Obama will also be terrible for us.

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Originally posted by Seryano

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Here is the list of books Sarah Palin wanted banned from the library:

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
As I Lay Dying, by William Faulkner
The Canterbury Tales, by Geoffrey Chaucer
Confession, by Jean Jacques Rousseau
Death of a Salesman, by Arthur Miller
Flowers for Algernon, by Daniel Keyes
Lady Chatterley's Lover, by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood, by the Grimm Brothers
Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
Lysistrata, by Aristophanes
Of Mice and Men, by John Steinbeck
To Kill a Mocking Bird, by Harper Lee
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, by Ken Kesey
The Chocolate War, by Robert Cormier
Pigman, by Paul Zindel

Plus:

Anything by Stephen King,
Everything by J.K. Rowling,
just about everything by Roald Dahl,
both of Mark Twain's major works,
most of Judy Blume,
most of William Shakespeare,
and (this is truly mind-boggling) Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff

GalleyCat@[ Link ] slyly comments, "Maybe if she didn't want to ban
'Our Bodies, Ourselves' by Boston Women's Health Collective her daughter Bristol wouldn't be having a shotgun wedding." Yes, that book is one of those she wanted to ban.

Mary Ellen Baker resigned from her library director's job in 1999.

http://joan-druett.[blacklisted]/2008/09/palins-attempt-to-ban-books.html

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Status: False.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

New record for most ignorant statements in one post in that below. His kind of cancer has a very high cure rate and there's no evidence he's in danger of recurrence. His mother is 96 and in fantastic shape. He's made for the kind of pressure you get in the Oval Office. Just ignorant. McCain is not AT ALL like Bush, this post below is just the standard wacko liberal talking points. Dems will make up any lie they need - the "list of banned books" above is just another example. McCain is going to run as he needs to run to get elected. He's a Republican and so was Bush - to a large degree they should be expected to have the same supporters and some similarity. He has a multi-decade record of working across the aisle and unifying with Dems to get stuff done. He's also the perfect guy to get the fed govt out of control spending in check, and his record demonstrates that. Obama's going to raise taxes in a recession, which is idiotic. If you can't see those points, stop pretending to love anything about the GOP. Look at his record. Then realize Obama doesn't have one, to the extent he does it's all about being as liberal as possible.

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A troll? Dude this is my forum topic, if anything you're trolling here by not even considering the option that he could die in office, seeing as he would be the oldest to be inaugurated. The guy has had cancer three times, even with the best care in the world, at his age you can't fight it off forever. Being a President of our country, especially at this time, ages a man 10 fold, look at what it did to Clinton and his 8 years weren't nearly as bad as the next 8 years will be for one or 2 people. The fact that you aren't even considering the fact that it's a huge possibility is frightening. You can't take someone elses life as an example and apply it to another persons life. You have to look at what each person will be faced and what they have faced in the past and deduce what their chances are of croaking. You're lying to yourself if you say they're favorable.

I love republican taxes, I love republican patriotism, but my biggest deterrent from actually being a republican is how stubborn, blind, ignorant, and how unwilling to change even in the face of defeat they are. Your inability or denial to see how McCain is EXACTLY like Bush is simply laughable. I love my country and thats exactly why I don't want to see someone in office who has the exact same ideals as bush, someone who is just as stubborn as bush, someone who has the same foreign policy as bush, someone who isn't committed to reforming our schools like bush isn't, someone who is only concentrating on other countries and not paying any attention to our own like bush has been doing, someone who will not be working towards independence on oil like bush hasn't, and most importantly I won't be voting for someone who supports all the "efforts" Bush has made in the Middle East (ie: made a strong effort to send our precious soldiers to the wrong place to lose their lives for the wrong reasons). I urge you to go back and find a video of Bush's 2000 and 2004 RNC and then watch McCains 2008 RNC and see the striking similarities in their speeches. Then you can come back to me and then we'll talk more.
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I think technically you can troll your own thread.

It would be like if I started a thread called, "Lindros licks Demonic's taint". Obviously I'd be doing that to get a rise out of Lindros because we all know he likes Honda's taint. Whats more, Honda would get all fired up because he gets jealous about his bitchez.

And I understand that because honestly, once a tongue is on one taint, it shouldn't be on another. I think that is how 'roids get spread or something.

I think I did some good there. Gold star for me