McCain's New Vice President

If that teleprompter incident is true, that's pretty impressive, however I'm sure she also had the speech in front of her on the podium as well because I saw her changing pages. Having said that, she rarely looked down at it. I watched the whole thing, and there was one instance when she seemed to repeat someone she said earlier, so while it's possible, I'm reserving judgement about whether the teleprompter malfuntioned or not, I only saw the teleprompter twice, (when the camera was behind her) and it appeared to be in sync at that moment.

Malfunction or not, she delivered that speech as well as anyone could have. She proved she can throw a punch. I'm looking forward to seeing her answer questions and debate... I'll learn a learn a lot more about her then.

Any nudes of her?

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Originally posted by cimmaron069

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are you watching fox news? they just reported that ...

I read reports of it earlier. I had also read earlier that it was messing up for Rudy with no mention of whether it was still screwed up when she spoke.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check she mostly lied...oh well....same ole same ole...im going with obama.....i cannot believe how ANYONE would vote for a man who agreed with bush more than 90% of the times.....hes a great man (mcain) and a war hero...but i got friends whove served and who are great peopl but that doesnt mean they should be president!...i voted Bush in 2000.... biggest mistake i ever made....i aint gonna be fooled again

and before you ask windym....peopl=people

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

The faith based situation is one that scares me. Smaller government and personal freedoms doesn't tend to mix well with religious doctrine.

...You know who I actually liked was Huckabee.

Wha?

You think Palin is too religious but really liked the actual preacher?

He had some good ideas and seemed genuine, but I had sever reservations over Huckabee due to his religious background. I've had enough "God" in government policy. In fact, I'm of the opinion that the government needs to return to conservative ideals (sans the religious shit), which, despite being run by a "republican" seem to have gone to the wayside over the last 8 years.

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Originally posted by Shenanigans!

she mostly lied...oh well....

If she "mostly lied" then you just did as well. Palin spoke for 36 minutes, while the article you linked to only includes 3 quotes from Palin. The article suggests that she "stretched the truth" but none of those 3 quotes are factually inaccurate.

Instead of repeating someone elses opinion, here's a link where you can watch the entire speech, or read the un-edited transcript for yourself.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/sarah-palin-rnc-conventio_n_123703.html

I can't back someone like Palin. Woman or not. I don't think she has the education and knowledge to help lead a nation in a war-torn world.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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Wha?

You think Palin is too religious but really liked the actual preacher?

He had some good ideas and seemed genuine, but I had sever reservations over Huckabee due to his religious background. I've had enough "God" in government policy. In fact, I'm of the opinion that the government needs to return to conservative ideals (sans the religious shit), which, despite being run by a "republican" seem to have gone to the wayside over the last 8 years.

I realize oh keeper of the gay-assed avatar that it seems crazy to support a preacher cause I hate the crazy religious nuts but he did have a lot of good ideas and there was no reports of a book banning. I can support religious crazy if its balanced with something.

MDB, can you provide a link to the "book banning" thing you've mentioned a couple of times now. Yes, she mentioned it once at counsel meeting or something, but as far as I know, she never pursued it in any way. Wouldn't you agree that there's a difference between suggesting something on a single instance, compared to actually trying to implement policy?

Some facts might be helpful to all of us. I certainly agree that some books aren't appropriate for a high school library for example.

Time magazine had a small bit about the book-banning in one article on her a while back.

"Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." "

Stein being the man she defeated for the mayorship. She never attempted to ban any books and did not list any specific books she wanted to ban. In 1996 she stated that it was a rhetorical question meant to gauge the librarians thoughts. Seeing as she never tried to request a ban anything in particular and only asked how it could be done, and that all of the charges are coming from opponents, it may be a hollow charge meant to stir things up.

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Originally posted by brownell

Some facts might be helpful to all of us. I certainly agree that some books aren't appropriate for a high school library for example.

What?

You know, most of those kids have the interwebs at their house. If they're old enough to see goatse, tubgirl and 2girl1cup, they're old enough to read "Uncle Toms Cabin" or "Why Does Sally have two Daddies?" or whatever the controversial book of the day is.


I know its (offtopic), but whatever.

I am going to go against you there EL. Most people in high school in the US would technically be breaking the law to look at goatse, tubgirl, or 2girl1cup. All of those would be considered obscenity.

The fact that it was even discussed.......people don't just bring things up.

The article I read said she also fired that "aghast" librarian, but then rehired her after receiving public pressure.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

I am going to go against you there EL. Most people in high school in the US would technically be breaking the law to look at goatse, tubgirl, or 2girl1cup. All of those would be considered obscenity.

Ditto, and I'm suggesting that an OVERWHELMING percentage of Americans would be opposed to certain types of content being available at a high school library, regardless of whether the same content is available on the internet.

Again, other than the snipit just posted, I don't know anything about this issue, but I do feel it's ridiculous to count this allegation against Palin until/unless you know what type of content may have been involved, and were said books might have been censored from.

MDB, does it make a difference if she did fire the librarian for this reason, or is an allegation enough?

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Originally posted by brownell

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Ditto, and I'm suggesting that an OVERWHELMING percentage of Americans would be opposed to certain types of content being available at a high school library, regardless of whether the same content is available through other sources.

Again, other than the snipit just posted, I don't know anything about this issue, but I do feel it's ridiculous to count this allegation against Palin until/unless you know what type of content may have been involved, and were said books might have been censored from.

MDB, does it make a difference if she did fire the librarian for this reason, or is an allegation enough?

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

I am going to go against you there EL. Most people in high school in the US would technically be breaking the law to look at goatse, tubgirl, or 2girl1cup. All of those would be considered obscenity.

Hrm.

I may have to start a thread about this.

But first - I have to write up a couple lab reports.

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

The fact that it was even discussed.......people don't just bring things up.

Where is your proof that she wasn't asking because someone had asked her? There are a million reasons she may have asked, she may have been against banning of books and was ensuring that the librarian agreed with her. The fact that she never attempted to ban any books means a lot.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

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Where is your proof that she wasn't asking because someone had asked her? There are a million reasons she may have asked, she may have been against banning of books and was ensuring that the librarian agreed with her. The fact that she never attempted to ban any books means a lot.

It does seem odd that someone would get fired for not agreeing about banning books, and then no further attempt is made to have the book banned.
I'm dismissing the whole thing as uncredible at this point. There appears to be a single instance in Palins history when the issue of "book banning" may have come up. There does not appear to be any evidence that Palin actually tried to have any book banned, and not even any mention of what type of book it might have been. There's conflicting reports of whether said librarian was ever fired, and if she was, whether she was rehired.

Only a fool, would allow this to influence their decision either way with the limited information that's currently available.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

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Where is your proof that she wasn't asking because someone had asked her? There are a million reasons she may have asked, she may have been against banning of books and was ensuring that the librarian agreed with her. The fact that she never attempted to ban any books means a lot.

Are there really a million reasons she might have asked about get some books banned at the library?

I'm not a politician, but here is what I do know, you don't talk about stuff like that. Who cares if maybe a friend asked her about book banning and she just...for informational reasons...asked the local librarian? Its not a question you pass on because it can and should be used as a reflection of your character.

I live in DC. I understand this. Lets enjoy some other examples of questions you don't pass on:

"Hey, officer, a friend and I were wondering, what is the best type of bullets to use to pierce police armor? And will those bullets fit my 9 mm?"

"Hey, where is the lab technician in charge? My friend wanted to know which were the best types of envelopes to mail anthrax in."

"Hi, is this homeland security? How far away do I need to be from a nuclear blast to be safe? Yea, I can hold, but the sooner I get the information the better."

"Hey, Mr. Fire Chief, my friend was wondering, if I was to burn a flag, would it be better to soak it in gasoline or cheap whiskey? And also, is pissing on it an effective way to extinguish the blaze afterwards?"

"Hey, sir. My friend was wondering, would your daughter prefer ribbed or glow in the dark condoms?"

Common sense. And please, to lighten the conversation, lets all contribute some other fun questions.

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Originally posted by brownell

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It does seem odd that someone would get fired for not agreeing about banning books, and then no further attempt is made to have the book banned.
I'm dismissing the whole thing as uncredible at this point. There appears to be a single instance in Palins history when the issue of "book banning" may have come up. There does not appear to be any evidence that Palin actually tried to have any book banned, and not even any mention of what type of book it might have been. There's conflicting reports of whether said librarian was ever fired, and if she was, whether she was rehired.

Only a fool, would allow this to influence their decision either way with the limited information that's currently available.

And only a fool wouldn't want an answer to it. Men fought and died for our freedom of speech. Its the first amendment for a reason and it, more than any other amendment, is what has made this nation the envy of many and a model to be followed by others. ANY attempt -- even jokes -- by our elected officials on any level of government to infringe on that right needs to be questioned and challenged.