McCain's New Vice President

Is that her for real, or a shop job?

Someone'll know. Prolly Kanzen will tell us. He's good at that stuff.

it came from my sister-in-law in wisconsin. she thinks sarah palin is wonderful. it looks like her body shape from what i've seen of her and she is a member of NRA

i think palin was a good choice for mccain. until this point all of the buzz has been around obama, and that buzz is now centered on palin. i have many conservative friends who were not thrilled with mccain and were considering not voting and are now thrilled with him. palin has energized the conservative base. at the very least, it will cause undecided independant voters to take a second look at mccain now that palin is on the ticket. also, a decent percentage of female hilary supporters actually voted for bush 2004. since the poll's are showing obama and mccain in a dead heat statistically with just 60 days until the election, mccains goal will be to get 5 - 10% of the hilary vote who previously voted republican to switch to him because of palin. it's a ballsy smart move that could give him the victory, which personally i'll be happy to see. obama/biden with pelosi running congress scares the shit out of me.

Of course it's fake and I really can't believe anyone that's taken anytime at all to familiarize themselves with Palin would believe otherwise. I bet my life that Sarah Palin would never wear a bikini fashioned to resemble the American Flag, and she certainly wouldn't be toting a semi-automatic rifle poolside.

. obama/biden with pelosi running congress scares the shit out of me.
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Why? And why doesnt a man who will most likely die in office, who is exactly like Bush, and a lady who could be shoved into office that has less experience than Obama scare you?

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Originally posted by brownell

Of course it's [ Link ] and I really can't believe anyone that's taken anytime at all to familiarize themselves with Palin would believe otherwise. I bet my life that Sarah Palin would never wear a bikini fashioned to look like the American Flag, and she certainly wouldn't be toting a semi-automatic rifle poolside.

Relax!

I honestly DID think it was a fake, but I was slightly doubtful because of the same thing AZ mentioned. It IS her general body type and size. If it HAD been real is what would have shocked me for the reasons you pointed out.

Obvious photoshops are obvious

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Originally posted by fsujd524

Why? And why doesnt a man who will most likely die in office, who is exactly like Bush, and a lady who could be shoved into office that has less experience than Obama scare you?

Please stop being a troll. McCain is nothing like Bush, and saying it over and over again doesn't make it any more true, it just makes you come off like a partisan mouthpiece. Further, McCain is no more likely to die in office than any other president we've had. In fact, the only president to die in office over the last half a century was the youngest man ever elected President and the oldest man ever elected President served out his full term and lived for another 15 years afterward. Please stop with the idiotic "McCain is going to die in office" rhetoric.

Yeah, seriously, enough with the McCain is bound to croak in office nonsense. It's a rather pathetic political tactic and definitely doesn't sponsor any real debate.

If you want to talk about Palin's inexperience to hold the Veep position, fine. I'd argue that she has run the biggest state in the Union and has handled a budget of BILLIONS of dollars. She's brokered big business deals and gotten things done for her state while in office and it isn't like she sat in the Governor's office and knitted all day. Obama and Biden's offices up in Washington only handle a budget of a few million dollars.

One major thing I think people have twisted (probably because the Left has twisted it on purpose) about the experience issue is what both Obama and Palin have experience at and how it relates to the Presidency/VPresidency. Obama has worked exclusively in the Legislative branch of government. He's been a Senator for his entire political career. Palin has worked exclusively in the Executive branch of government as a Mayor and then as a Governor of her state. The Presidency is an Executive position. That's not to say a legislator can't handle the job, but as far as actual experience with RUNNING things, Palin has a lot more than Obama.

All that being said, knocking Palin for a lack of experience probably isn't going to get the Dems anywhere. People aren't voting Palin to run the country, as much as the Dems want to point out that McCain could spontaneously combust at any point and shove her to the Big Chair. The Vice President really doesn't do much, if anything. They fly around and speak at events. They shake hands with foreign dignitaries. They basically stay out of the way while Cabinet people like the Sec'ty of Defense, etc. get the real work done. So her not being terribly experienced really only does become a big negative if McCain actually DID happen to die off in the next four years.

On the other hand, Obama is also terribly inexperienced except for a few days in D.C. as a Senator, except he really is trying to sit in the Big Chair. I'd argue that the President is becoming more and more of a figurehead in American politics anyway, but still, that's the top position. If Palin is too inexperienced for the Veep spot, then Obama definitely is for the Presidency.

At any rate, could we find a newer and more interesting line of discussion? Maybe about how she's going to do in the debates and the months leading up to the election?

I'll be really interested to see a bit more of how she speaks when put on the spot.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

I'd argue that she has run the biggest state in the Union...

Can all of you please stop saying this? You govern people, not square footage. Alaska is the 47th most populous state in the country. By population is in fact a VERY small state. There are more than 15 cities in the U.S. with more people than all of Alaska.

Weak statement.

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

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Can all of you please stop saying this? You govern people, not square footage. Alaska is the 47th most populous state in the country. By population is in fact a VERY small state. There are more than 15 cities in the U.S. with more people than all of Alaska.

Weak statement.

Not really. Alaska has a lot going on that affects the economy and like I said, she ran a budget that ran around $6 billion bucks. You're right that it doesn't have a lot of people, but she handled herself well in office there and she got stuff done for those people. Alaska is the 6th wealthiest state in the Union. So, acting like she was in some backwater governing a bunch of Eskimos and how many ice cubes they were allotted each month is a bit off the mark.

If we REALLY want to nitpick population. . .Alaska has a little over 680,000 residents. To compare. . .Arkansas, in the present day, has 2.8 million. It was 2.4 million when Clinton was in office. That's four times the population size of Alaska, but when it comes right down to it, that isn't much of a difference. Yet, somehow, Bill Clinton running that hillbilly, inbred, small state didn't keep him from being President, did it?

Still waiting for you to come up with a newer and better argument against Palin for Veep.

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Originally posted by Demonicmale

I'll be really interested to see a bit more of how she speaks when put on the spot.

Me too. It's all well and good when you've got a stellar speech writer giving you great, motivating material. It's completely different when you've got an established, entrenched, experienced, Washington insider like Biden debating with you in front of the nation.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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Not really. Alaska has a lot going on that affects the economy and like I said, she ran a budget that ran around $6 billion bucks. You're right that it doesn't have a lot of people, but she handled herself well in office there and she got stuff done for those people. Alaska is the 6th wealthiest state in the Union. So, acting like she was in some backwater governing a bunch of Eskimos and how many ice cubes they were allotted each month is a bit off the mark.

If we REALLY want to nitpick population. . .Alaska has a little over 680,000 residents. To compare. . .Arkansas, in the present day, has 2.8 million. It was 2.4 million when Clinton was in office. That's four times the population size of Alaska, but when it comes right down to it, that isn't much of a difference. Yet, somehow, Bill Clinton running that hillbilly, inbred, small state didn't keep him from being President, did it?

Still waiting for you to come up with a newer and better argument against Palin for Veep.

Once you start reading my words, this conversation will make more sense to you. You said, "Its the biggest state in the union" and I said that is a stupid fucking argument. Population makes a huge difference. I also don't give two fucks about Bill Clinton and living in MD, the richest state in the U.S., I don't give two fucks about how much money there is in Alaska.

700,000 people and a 6 billion dollar budget doesn't prepare one for 300,000,000 people and a 1.4 trillion dollar budget. I'm still waiting for you to give me a reason why she was a good choice. Sounds like I came up with 15 city mayors who are more qualified than she is. Being from a wealthy state, what does she know about economically depressed areas like Ohio and Michigan? What foreign interactions has she had that have given her a keen understanding of foreign policy? But you are right, being able to broker peace deals between the elk and the caribou is important -- particuarly in a state with a population that is smaller than my tri-county area.

The biggest problem is neither of us actually knows shit about her. McCain and Biden have been around for decades and are completely vetted. Obama hasn't been around long, but he's been a steady figure for a few years now. This woman has been on the national scene -- really on the national scene -- for 8 days and they said its going to be two more weeks before she really starts interacting with the media.

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

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Once you start reading my words, this conversation will make more sense to you. You said, "Its the biggest state in the union" and I said that is a stupid fucking argument. Population makes a huge difference. I also don't give two fucks about Bill Clinton and living in MD, the richest state in the U.S., I don't give two fucks about how much money there is in Alaska.

700,000 people and a 6 billion dollar budget doesn't prepare one for 300,000,000 people and a 1.4 trillion dollar budget. I'm still waiting for you to give me a reason why she was a good choice. Sounds like I came up with 15 city mayors who are more qualified than she is. Being from a wealthy state, what does she know about economically depressed areas like Ohio and Michigan? What foreign interactions has she had that have given her a keen understanding of foreign policy? But you are right, being able to broker peace deals between the elk and the caribou is important -- particuarly in a state with a population that is smaller than my tri-county area.

The biggest problem is neither of us actually knows shit about her. McCain and Biden have been around for decades and are completely vetted. Obama hasn't been around long, but he's been a steady figure for a few years now. This woman has been on the national scene -- really on the national scene -- for 8 days and they said its going to be two more weeks before she really starts interacting with the media.

So explain to me when the Vice President "brokers peace deals." Did Quayle, Gore, or Cheney ever do that? Don't they have Cabinet members that handle that stuff like the Secretary of State? Seems I recall Condoleeza running interference for Dubya over in the Middle East, but never Cheney.

Also, you think Obama is qualified for the Presidency because, in your words, "he's been a steady figure for a few years now?" That's a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one!

Palin has executive experience which means she can probably handle the day to day jobs that come with being the Vice President. Past that, she doesn't NEED any experience. She won't be doing anything substantial except giving rote party line speeches and looking pretty. She was a great pick because she can help the Reps win the election. Just like Biden won't do dick as the Vice President, either. McCain chose Palin to get him women's votes and energize his campaign, just like Obama chose Biden to align himself more with white America and to give his ticket the experience everyone had been criticizing him for lacking before Palin came along.

The Veep pick has always been to garner votes. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bit loony. Yes, that's the sad state of our politics, but that's what it's come to. Getting all pissy and huffy about Palin is just silly, especially if your big knock on her is that she doesn't have experience.

Again, I'm still waiting for an argument against Palin other than "ZOMG! She doesn't have experience and she's, like, so totally new and stuff!"

I'll give her a pass on the waiting two weeks before talking to the media stuff. She got handed this nomination out of the blue and needs some time to get up to speed. Obama dodged any real meaningful debate with the media for months, so I don't think the Veep candidate on the Republican side taking two weeks when we've got 2+ months until the election is such a travesty. We'll find out in a few weeks how much she really knows.

Also, on a side note, the STATE of Alaska is rich and has a lot of money. The PEOPLE of Alaska aren't. So, I would guess she probably does know a bit about economically depressed areas.

I read to page ten, and then quit giving a shit. McCain has my vote. Yes...I have to confess...I was influenced yet again by a vagina. Well, that and the fact that Obama is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Obama reminds me of the kid in high school that promised longer lunch breaks and three days off from school to get elected student body president. I didn't buy into the bullshit then and I sure as hell am not buying into all the freebies Obama is promising in exchange for a vote. The fact that the socialists nations of the world (like canada...)love Obama just gives me even more reason to know he is a wrong choice.

By the way...Obamas biggest support in the white demographic are elitest white kids. Those silly fucks won't even vote. They will sit up all night before the election smoking pot while trying to one up each other in white guilt and making lame attempts at sounding cool as they say "screw the man, I'm voting elitest liberal" then they will say "fuck it" when they see a line longer than ten people and end up at McDonalds with daddy and mommies credit card. It's also a fact that white people will state in public that a black guy has their vote to keep from appearing racist, but when they get in the booth, they will think..."I ain't votin for no [blacklisted]"...and they will pull the McCain lever.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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So explain to me when the Vice President "brokers peace deals." Did Quayle, Gore, or Cheney ever do that? Don't they have Cabinet members that handle that stuff like the Secretary of State? Seems I recall Condoleeza running interference for Dubya over in the Middle East, but never Cheney.

Cheney is Georgia right trying to get those areas that want to secede back to Russia on the same page with those that don't.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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Also, you think Obama is qualified for the Presidency because, in your words, "he's been a steady figure for a few years now?" That's a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one!

Again this works better when reading becomes fundamental. I said you don't know shit about her compared to the other three. Has nothing to do with qualifications, it has everything to do with reasons to feel warm and fuzzy.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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Palin has executive experience which means she can probably handle the day to day jobs that come with being the Vice President...The Veep pick has always been to garner votes. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think she can be the vice-President. I think you or I could be the vice-President. But unlike (when elected) 52 year old Bush or 40-something Clinton, she is going to be vice-President to a 73 year old man with melanoma. Keep in mind, even Bush almost choked on a fuckin' pretzel his first full week in office. A trained monkey could be vice-President, but I wouldn't want it sitting in the big chair.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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I'll give her a pass on the waiting two weeks before talking to the media stuff. She got handed this nomination out of the blue and needs some time to get up to speed. Obama dodged any real meaningful debate with the media for months, so I don't think the Veep candidate on the Republican side taking two weeks when we've got 2+ months until the election is such a travesty. We'll find out in a few weeks how much she really knows.

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Again, my concern. To take a page from the Republican handbook: 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11. Its a scary world this days. Unlike when Clinton or Bush was elected, we are fighting wars on two fronts, Iran is fucking around, and Russian is taking it crazy pills. She did just have all of this dumped on her, plus she has a pregnant daughter and a special needs baby to care for. I just don't feel good about bring into the fold someone who was just now getting a foreign policy crash course in a Hilton 4.5 months before inauguration.

I want to vote McCain. I was all set to. And had ANYONE else been brought in for VP it would be a done deal. I understand the politics of the decision, but this is supposed to be from the non-politician who doesn't believe in politics as usual. All this was was pandering to the far right base and all of the pandering disgusts me at this point. I thought we could expect more from McCain.

Also, on a side note, the STATE of Alaska is rich and has a lot of money. The PEOPLE of Alaska aren't. So, I would guess she probably does know a bit about economically depressed areas.

So explain to me when the Vice President "brokers peace deals." Did Quayle, Gore, or Cheney ever do that? Don't they have Cabinet members that handle that stuff like the Secretary of State? Seems I recall Condoleeza running interference for Dubya over in the Middle East, but never Cheney.

Also, you think Obama is qualified for the Presidency because, in your words, "he's been a steady figure for a few years now?" That's a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one!

Palin has executive experience which means she can probably handle the day to day jobs that come with being the Vice President. Past that, she doesn't NEED any experience. She won't be doing anything substantial except giving rote party line speeches and looking pretty. She was a great pick because she can help the Reps win the election. Just like Biden won't do dick as the Vice President, either. McCain chose Palin to get him women's votes and energize his campaign, just like Obama chose Biden to align himself more with white America and to give his ticket the experience everyone had been criticizing him for lacking before Palin came along.

The Veep pick has always been to garner votes. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bit loony. Yes, that's the sad state of our politics, but that's what it's come to. Getting all pissy and huffy about Palin is just silly, especially if your big knock on her is that she doesn't have experience.

Again, I'm still waiting for an argument against Palin other than "ZOMG! She doesn't have experience and she's, like, so totally new and stuff!"

I'll give her a pass on the waiting two weeks before talking to the media stuff. She got handed this nomination out of the blue and needs some time to get up to speed. Obama dodged any real meaningful debate with the media for months, so I don't think the Veep candidate on the Republican side taking two weeks when we've got 2+ months until the election is such a travesty. We'll find out in a few weeks how much she really knows.

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Originally posted by wtwhizz

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Also, on a side note, the STATE of Alaska is rich and has a lot of money. The PEOPLE of Alaska aren't. So, I would guess she probably does know a bit about economically depressed areas.

Actually, the people are genius. That ranking (which you brought up) is based on average family income and per capital incomes. If anything, I'm not voting for you for anything

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United State Constitution
Article II Section 1 Clause 5

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

There!

They're all "qualified", now vote based on who you trust to do the best job.... (or vote your fears if you're so inclined)

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

I'll give her a pass on the waiting two weeks before talking to the media stuff. She got handed this nomination out of the blue and needs some time to get up to speed. Obama dodged any real meaningful debate with the media for months, so I don't think the Veep candidate on the Republican side taking two weeks when we've got 2+ months until the election is such a travesty. We'll find out in a few weeks how much she really knows.

There is already plenty of interviews and such out there showing her ability to handle the media. I have also found the Alaska Governors debate when she was running for that. From what I have seen so far, she is the best at talking of the top of her head about subjects of all 4 running for President or VP. Of course she was in her depth in all of these and things may change once she has to talk about the whole US, but I doubt it.