2012 Presidential Election POLL

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Originally posted by littlethick

I was not being racist in any form or fashion by using his middle name Paradise or Kanzen. The same as many people referred to the prior president as "Bush". Hmm, didnt hear any remarks thrown out about racism then. Probably because calling someone by their last name, middle name, is not racism. I dont see how you took it that way. Sorry, we cannot discuss this anymore, I will not argue. Kanzen you have a foul mouth bud but the internet is a great place to vent that with out getting hurt.

That is an extremely shallow and vapid response. I don't think there is any reason to refer to Obama by his middle name if not for racist purposes. Why not call him Barack? Why not call him Obama (by far the most common way to reference him)? It wasn't for simple identification purposes and I question the intelligence of anyone who actually believes it was.

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Originally posted by littlethick

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Nice name you renamed my profile name too by the way. Take you very long to come up with these?

That is what they do. Wear it a badge of pride. I know I do.

Kanzen is boorish and a chat-room bully who doesn't appear to see anything objectively. And his snarky remarks to Bust are the same types of reactions his Mentor BHO gave to Romney in the last debate. Shame on you Kanzen. When you run out of things to say --- just ATTACK! You are a knee-jerk reactionary and its no wonder you have been so blinded by your (presumed ) party.
I voted for change the first time, Now im ashamed to have helped make us worse off. Mitt is not perfect but at least he has run successful endeavours and I trust him to do the same for OUR country.

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Originally posted by kylecook

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That is an extremely shallow and vapid response. I don't think there is any reason to refer to Obama by his middle name if not for racist purposes. Why not call him Barack? Why not call him Obama (by far the most common way to reference him)? It wasn't for simple identification purposes and I question the intelligence of anyone who actually believes it was.

Kyle, question whatever you like. It was not racist and I would urge you to quit trying to stir up any racism. I chose to call him Hussein due to the fact he does not use that name often at all and I personally like calling him by the name he does not use.... Hope that clears that up for you. I have a right to say and post comments just like anyone else on this board does.

The Republican party stopped being fiscally conservative way before I could even vote. They remain socially conservative though. You know, keep government out of everything except our private lives. I am voting for the only candidate who is both fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Governor Johnson's campaign slogan is " Live Free". I do not trust either candidate of the two major parties. Hopefully, my vote will help the Libertarian party reach the 5% of the popular vote this year. Maybe next election the other 95% of the people out there will actually get a chance to see and hear a 3rd party members' stances on issues.

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Originally posted by Kanzen

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Story is the perfect term to describe what you just said. All of that comes off as hypothetical because you can't offer any actual evidence. If anything it describe you as the one who didn't give that much specificity or the fellow that you talked to didn't either. So if anything it was a failure of communication and not the Jobs-Training. You seem to be also ignoring that they were told something different about the job and because of the mix-up have lost an opportunity to make some income. Any sane person would be livid about going to a job site and then told it wasn't the job that they were told.

I like how you ignore most of what your tax money goes to.

Are you serious? What do you want, names of companies involved and time cards. Get real.
I was very specific about what needed done. And my conversation with the guys at the job site lasted a lot longer than my quick description. What I had was one inner city welfare recipient who wanted absolutely nothing to do with work that he didn't have to do, and was looking for any excuse to get out of it. And one guy who wanted to work but didn't have the balls to stand up to the loud mouth. I felt really sorry for that guy, because it's doubtful he'll ever rise above the shit he surrounds himself with. I stood there on the speaker phone with his boss and hashed it out, and basically listened to the guy tell his boss that he didn't give a shit, fire my ass. It's exactly what he wanted because so much of that tax list you gave goes to him. He'd rather collect than work. Plain and simple. No pride, or false pride, take your pick.

So, faced with either shutting down for the night and screwing another crews day all to hell, I looked at the two guys I brought with me and said "Boys, we can do this. It's gonna be hard, but we can do it. If you boys will stick with me for as long as it takes, I'll pay you their wages too. Wadda ya say? You with me?"

Those two boys kicked it's ass, and this old man really felt his age. That's the shit in life that's good for you. It's a pity the other two will most likely never experience it. Excuses must make for a very sorry existence.

I'll give a hand up to anyone. Hand-outs are another matter. Politician have no interest in solving the issue, that's the real core of the problem. There is no pride in a handout, but it's so addicting.

In three trips to hurricane Katrina relief, I saw the best and worst. There were those who were genuinely grateful for every little bit of help you could offer, and would jump in to help anywhere they could be used. They wanted to help themselves. Then there were those who simply took everything they could without so much as a thank you, and were eager to complain. They wanted to do as little as possible.

It was interesting to listen to the helpers talk about the lazies. Very interesting. They didn't have much more use for them than I did. Government sponsored poverty is a pathetic existence.

I'm done. Gotta go work. Pay that government debt, ya know.

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Originally posted by littlethick

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Kyle, question whatever you like. It was not racist and I would urge you to quit trying to stir up any racism. I chose to call him Hussein due to the fact he does not use that name often at all and I personally like calling him by the name he does not use.... Hope that clears that up for you. I have a right to say and post comments just like anyone else on this board does.

I have little interest in arguing with you. I'm not the one stirring up any racism, though. You are the one who elected to refer to Obama as Hussein, despite that making no sense.

I'm sure you refer to Mitt Romney as Willard, which is actually his first name. That would make the most sense, since you like to call individuals by the name they don't use. Somehow, I doubt that's the case, as I doubt you refer to many (if any) other people other than by their first or last name.

I have never said that you don't have a right to say and post comments on this board, or anywhere else for that matter. To imply that I have made such a statement is a complete fabrication. But just as you have a right to say whatever you feel like, I have a right to respond in kind and call bullshit.

I don't care about any of this. All you people ever seem to cover in election are money and taxes which come to the same thing. Pretty soon nature will fuck us all over majorly but since it doesn't give you more money you don't give a fuck about it. Learn to prioritize eh?

Obama had his chance and the country is worse off than it was four years ago. And I dont have a problem with birth control pills, I do have a problem with the murder of innocent babies. I'am jus sayin', maybe I am a little to old fashioned.

luv ya all.... Lia

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I have little interest in arguing with you. I'm not the one stirring up any racism, though. You are the one who elected to refer to Obama as Hussein, despite that making no sense.


(Then dont, it ends right there.)

I'm sure you refer to Mitt Romney as Willard, which is actually his first name. That would make the most sense, since you like to call individuals by the name they don't use. Somehow, I doubt that's the case, as I doubt you refer to many (if any) other people other than by their first or last name.

(Good one, I didnt know that thanks! I will use Willard for him for the next 4 to 8 years. And as for referring to anyone else by middle names I do in fact, heck Kyle some times I just make up names for folks

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Originally posted by littlethick

(Good one, I didnt know that thanks! I will use Willard for him for the next 4 to 8 years. And as for referring to anyone else by middle names I do in fact, heck Kyle some times I just make up names for folks

Sure. Then we'll chalk it up to irony that the only time we've seen you do it is in reference to Obama and it had all the workings of racism. If you want to lie to yourself about the racist tones of referring to Obama as Hussein, fine, but don't expect me not to see through it.

And I doubt Romney will be relevant enough for the next 4-8 years for you to have reason to reference him at all.

[reply=Lia]
Obama had his chance and the country is worse off than it was four years ago. And I dont have a problem with birth control pills, I do have a problem with the murder of innocent babies. I'am jus sayin', maybe I am a little to old fashioned.

luv ya all.... Lia

Lia Nothing old- fashioned about that stance

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Obama had his chance and the country is worse off than it was four years ago. And I dont have a problem with birth control pills, I do have a problem with the murder of innocent babies. I'am jus sayin', maybe I am a little to old fashioned.

luv ya all.... Lia

Lia Nothing old- fashioned about that stance

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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While the results may not be perfect, they currently show Romney ahead of Obama...like most polls are now showing. The other interesting bit of data, is how well Johnson is polling. That could be due to me not giving an 'undecided' option though.

True, many polls are now showing Romney as having the lead for overall national polls. However, those aren't all that reliable since the US uses the electoral system. As far as "lock" states for both candidates, Obama has a total of 201 and Romney has a total of 191 (270 needed to win). Not included as a lock are Michigan and Pennsylvania, two states that are still consistently showing a reliable advantage for Obama. Iowa, NH, and Nevada also are still trending towards Obama. That isn't enough to finish the race if all of those states go Obama, but it puts him damn close.

Not to mention, I take issue with the way a lot of these polls are put together. There is a disproportionately low use of cell phones as a method to contact people, which tends to result in your "likely voter" being older than what you should actually expect.

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Originally posted by Lia

Obama had his chance and the country is worse off than it was four years ago. And I dont have a problem with birth control pills, I do have a problem with the murder of innocent babies. I'am jus sayin', maybe I am a little to old fashioned.

luv ya all.... Lia

No you're not "to old fashioned" Lia. I don't think it's any small coincidence that the major decline in our society mirrors our society's declining value of life. Particularly those lives that have no choice and no defense.

Kyle, bud do you always spend your time trying soo very hard to prove that you dont know what you are talking about. I have already stated that it was not my intention for it to be construed as racisim, if you were to call it sarcasim yes, but racially motivated come on. And you alone seem to be the only person insinuating that and still worried about. So move along you are wasting space on the board and my time trying to read other posts.

I had to get a good laugh out of your example, Bust'm. I know it is person and I would likely feel the same way if I had been in your shoes. But dude....you've got to get a grip on reality !

Jobs programs are all about votes. And jobs for the trainers. Jobs programs are nothing new to our government and all administrations fund them because they are politically popular.

I am a political independent, so I get to laugh at the policies of both parties. And when I am not teaching at the university I am a consultant in the defense industry. What you find as an offensive use of your tax dollars is orders of magnitude smaller than the waste and abuse in the defense industry. Talk about corporate welfare !!! The average tax payer doesn't have a clue how badly their money is spent.

Everyone is in on the joke regardless of what party they belong to but no one really cares because it is all about the money......what it will do for them politically in terms of votes, and how many people it will provide a paycheck to. It has nothing to do with earned value for the taxpayer. Just bragging rights for the next election.

We are a nation of pigs. And be it the social liberals who want greater and greater government spending on social programs or the defense industry which provides a low ball program figure to the Pentagon and ends up costing you and I some really big bucks that are every bit as worthless as the training program which you refer to.

Sorry I can be more sympathetic to your case, but in scale....it is really small potatoes. Wish you could spend a day in my shoes and be close to the decisions that drive the debt of the debt of this country. It is pretty remarkable what passes for good sense when someone else is paying the bill.

F.

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Originally posted by bustMall

Kanzen,

If I wanted to have a debate with someone who's only defense was to call names and throw insults, I'd go back to middle school.

Believe what you will. Go back to your video games. I know that you're a reasonably intelligent person and a tech genius, but I won't do this with you.

So far, I've said very little of what you pin on me. So why bother? You'll hear what you want to hear.

But let me share a recent story.

I needed some laborers. I called a company to ask if they had any. Described the work needed. they said "Sure, we can have two guys there tonight".

We all arrive. The two guys ask about the work, we describe it and the one goes all ape-shit, and says "You mean this isn't XXX? I'm an XXX guy".

I said "I don't get it, the job is identical other than it doesn't contain XXX. What's the difference? It all pays the same."

He said "I don't care. I was trained for XXX. You need laborers. I'm not doing this." (throughout all this, every other word out of his mouth was "fuck" )

And he walked off. The other guy wanted to stay, but peer pressure got the best of him. So these two products of the Job-Training programs, looked at the work I've done all my life, fed my family with, and made a good company out of and effectively said "This shit's below me".... then went home to collect a few more of my tax dollars because there was no work available, after being "educated" in a program paid for with tax dollars.

Yeah. Go ahead. Call me whatever the hell you want. Won't change the truth. I'll keep working hard. Keep paying my taxes. Keep listening to the excuses.

F,

My world is pretty real. Defense is not the issue being discussed. Waste in any program is wrong. Sure, I'm against it all.

But, yes, I'd bet good money you'd be pissed if you lived that experience also. I am against handouts and wasted welfare and the dependency cycle of life. It's got nothing to do with anything else.

What I want to see is people being successful. I don't care if they have to walk the neighborhood looking for work picking weeds so they can save up for a lawnmower, ..... it's the principle of the dependency. I have a huge heart for helping people, and put my money where my mouth is. But continuing to throw money at bad attitudes isn't working. That's my issue.

As I said..."if I had been in your shoes"....etc. Correct ?

I have no more trust than you do in this area of our government. As to this election year....I am hearing that we need to spend even more...even on stuff that the military has not asked for. But I do not sense your desire to militate for this as much as a stupid social program. Reduce "dependency" ? Start with the Pentagon spending.

We all have political blind spots and how those blind spots show up in an election year is just remarkable on a national scale. Unfortunately we will learn little of human cupidity from this or any other election. We are too busy touting the bull shit of our favored party

And BTW, shouldn't we adopt the election practices of some European countries that limit the election cycle to a month ? Oh naive me.......it IS all about the money and neither party has the high ground. Neither one, despite some of the spirited discussion in this thread that would have me believe that their position is worth consideration.

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Originally posted by bustMall

F,

My world is pretty real. Defense is not the issue being discussed. Waste in any program is wrong. Sure, I'm against it all.

But, yes, I'd bet good money you'd be pissed if you lived that experience also. I am against handouts and wasted welfare and the dependency cycle of life. It's got nothing to do with anything else.

What I want to see is people being successful. I don't care if they have to walk the neighborhood looking for work picking weeds so they can save up for a lawnmower, ..... it's the principle of the dependency. I have a huge heart for helping people, and put my money where my mouth is. But continuing to throw money at bad attitudes isn't working. That's my issue.

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Originally posted by Lia

Obama had his chance and the country is worse off than it was four years ago. And I dont have a problem with birth control pills, I do have a problem with the murder of innocent babies. I'am jus sayin', maybe I am a little to old fashioned.

luv ya all.... Lia

What do you mean you don't have a problem with birth control pills? Meaning what? You don't have a problem getting them, taking them??

Romney supports the Blunt amendment, a bill that was introduced to restrict access to birth control by allowing any employer the right to deny health insurance coverage for any benefit based on a moral conviction.

How any woman could possibly support that, AND then also be opposed to abortion is absolutely beyond me.

Also...as a outsider looking in...explain how the country is worse off now than it was 4 years ago?