2012 Presidential Election POLL

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Originally posted by bustMall

Wanna make a bet that in 3 years, Obama is trying to run again?

The Constitution has never been something he allows to get in his way.

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Originally posted by bustMall

Wanna make a bet that in 3 years, Obama is trying to run again?

The Constitution has never been something he allows to get in his way.

YES!

$1,000.00 USD. (I'd go higher but I might be broke in 4 years because of Obummer ruining the economy )

You win if Barack Obama attempts a Presidential run in 2015/16, I win if he does not.

Cool?

It's a bet I'm willing to make. For lunch or something simple, anyway.

Just will not surprise me.

I think the boom to come from our shale oil and gas discoveries are going to hide his many sins from the general populace that cares about nothing more than what they get from the system.

We already have a natural gas problem, drilling has virtually stopped until we develop the infrastructure to export it efficiently. Waste Mgmt and many other fleets are converting from diesel to natural gas because of the glut.

Oil shale discoveries are mind boggling to those that really follow it..... I'm not a prophet, but I think economically, good times are ahead. Obama will get and take the credit, and he will continue his march to a socialistic model.

Like I said, my dislike of the man has nothing to do with money. I had a record year in 2012. Our housing market and general economy may lag for a bit as these natural resources are developed, but in another 2-3 years, we could see a monumental swing. Though right now, I don't see much good for the economy in 2013.

A simple $1,000 dollar lunch, then?

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Originally posted by snoopy7666

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THAT is precisely why I was concerned about Obama holding on to the White House for a second term ...

Oh, I bet there are scads more reasons than just that you were worried that if he was elected to a second term he'd seek a third.

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Originally posted by snoopy

I have observed his blatant disregard for the terms of his oath of office ("preserve, protect and defend the Constitution... ..." for four years now

Name 3 instances where he disregarded the Constitution in a way that none of the previous 5 Presidents have done.

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Originally posted by snoopy

...and I recall his oft-repeated words in the last days of the 2012 campaign regarding that being his "last campaign"... He certainly wouldn't be the first POTUS to envision serving past his constitutionally-elected time in office.

Roosevelt has that one pretty much locked up. But in order for anyone, post 22nd Amendment ratification, to seriously think about it they would have to further amend the US constitution, which would be basically impossible in a time-span of three years.

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Originally posted by snoopy

'Word is that he may have a chance to nominate as many as three new Supreme Court justices in his second term.

So? That's what Presidents do.

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Originally posted by snoopy

If the mid-term elections of 2014 should increase the Democrats hold on the Senate and possibly enable them to grab the US House...Obama would be as bullet-proof and all-powerful as anyone might imagine.

Obama is not a superhero. He's not bullet proof, nor is he, or will he ever be, omnipotent. Further, you underestimate peoples imaginations. I can imagine someone as powerful as, say, Stalin. Would Obama be as powerful as Stalin? How about Alexander the Great?

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Originally posted by snoopy

His mega-ego and arrogance would be boundless, and he just might attempt something as unconstitutional as setting himself up as permanent head of state...

I think you've got Obama and Kim Jong Un mixed up.

He might also sprout wings and fly around Washington DC pooping on people. But he won't. Because this is real life.

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Originally posted by snoopy

I'm a lifelong student of history and politics, and I fully realize that's a very far-fetched scenario, and I'm no right wing loon who is suggesting that it will happen

No, you're a right-wing loon who is merely saying it could happen.

Which is just nonsense.

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Originally posted by Snoop

- but it has been suggested, postulated and circulated ever since hizexcellency took office almost four years ago, and his is certainly not the first presidency that has exhibited the trappings of over-reaching power, coupled with secrecy and obfuscation.

Presidents seek enormous amounts of power, secrecy and obfuscation? You don't say?!

You've basically described every President ever.

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Originally posted by snoop

Many have taken note of the seemingly boundless narcissism of Barack Obama since his ascension in 2008, aided in great measure by the lapdog press and media.

I love how you say these things which mean nothing. "Many have said.." "People have noticed..." "It has been noted..."

Those are all weasel phrases that allow you to smear someone without personally doing it. It's rhetorically weak and lacking in substance.

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Originally posted by snoop

If he should make good on his suggested creation of a "private army for national security", that could be seen as a clear signal that he is more intent upon extending his power, rather than relinquishing it in 2016.

More weasel phrases.

And if he should invade Canada, that could be seen as a clear signal he's bent on global domination.
If he should let his dog poop in the White House, that could be seen as a clear sign of his disrespect for America, and the American people.

He won't do any of those things because they're nonsense.

But please, tell us more about how you're not a right wing loon.

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Originally posted by snoopy

'Have we seen the last of (reasonably) open and free elections (as provided for by the US Constitution)? Only time will tell, but for many - there is much reason for concern.

No, you have not seen the last of reasonably open and free elections (as provided for by the US Constitution). There will be (reasonably) open and free elections next year, and the one after that, and so on and so forth.

Yes, this President, like basically all before him, has done many awful, despicable things, and has done many more things which aren't so awful but which some group of people really don't like. But those facts don't mean he's the goddamn Antichrist, and you should stop with the apocalyptic hyperbole because it's silly and makes you look batshit insane.

Some of these exchanges are hilarious. Personally, I have a lot of complaints with Obama and how he's handled some duties, even though I generally approve of the job he's done, but there was so much nonsensical conspiracy and rhetoric in Snoopy's post, I'm glad Lindros broke it down. I wouldn't have taken the time.

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Originally posted by F1098

We've survived two world wars, numerous elective regional foreign wars, the near fatal temper tantrum of the southern states, one depression, four bank panics, the burning of our capital, one foreign invasion, the Enrons, and gawd....the list is long !

I am sure that we will survive four years of Mr. Obama, and whatever political party follows his presidency.

Read the newspapers of 100 years and more from our country for a really dismal view of our imminent failure.

Frankly, I am with Warren Buffett on the future of the country.

Sorry about that.

*shakes fist at Canada

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Originally posted by EricLindros

A simple $1,000 dollar lunch, then?

Who are you, Mitt Romney?

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Originally posted by EricLindros

Yes, this President, like basically all before him, has done many awful, despicable things, and has done many more things which aren't so awful but which some group of people really don't like. But those facts don't mean he's the goddamn Antichrist, and you should stop with the apocalyptic hyperbole because it's silly and makes you look batshit insane.

Quoted because this sums the entire thing up.

SP-

Well, OK. I guess. You WERE British then

The fact that we had an army poised to violate you (....ohhhhh the pleasure ! been thinking about it ever since ) doesn't matter. Nor does the fact that all of the construction which you burned in D.C. ( land of the free and home of the brave etc.) was made with slave labor.

You just shouldn't have done that nasty thing !

Gave us some bad music too ! Poo on u, and behave or we will put batteries of Davey's penis rockets on your border.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Sorry about that.

Geez, BM ! Give it a break !

Or just move to California and move to the high desert area where 100% of the denizens feel exactly the same way you do and don't want to live near anyone else because they might lose their freedom.

We call then "End Of The Roaders" and they are as solid a voting block as any political party would want. No rules out there. Total freedom ! No taxes. Must be armed to the teeth ! Lots of food in the basement ! Education of the children by liberals is not tolerated ! Cable television ? Only if you can steal it !

Sure...they say that California is a place for people who haven't lost their dreams, and this proves it. Plenty of room in the desert. The end of the road is well populated by those who won't adapt.

Now stop sounding like just a sore loser. Get your fun sense of humor back.

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Originally posted by bustMall

It's a bet I'm willing to make. For lunch or something simple, anyway.

Just will not surprise me.

I think the boom to come from our shale oil and gas discoveries are going to hide his many sins from the general populace that cares about nothing more than what they get from the system.

We already have a natural gas problem, drilling has virtually stopped until we develop the infrastructure to export it efficiently. Waste Mgmt and many other fleets are converting from diesel to natural gas because of the glut.

Oil shale discoveries are mind boggling to those that really follow it..... I'm not a prophet, but I think economically, good times are ahead. Obama will get and take the credit, and he will continue his march to a socialistic model.

Like I said, my dislike of the man has nothing to do with money. I had a record year in 2012. Our housing market and general economy may lag for a bit as these natural resources are developed, but in another 2-3 years, we could see a monumental swing. Though right now, I don't see much good for the economy in 2013.

Obama all the way!!! How anyone could not vote for him or even vote romney is beyond me

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Originally posted by frankfurt11

Obama all the way!!! How anyone could not vote for him or even vote romney is beyond me

There are scores of reasons why someone wouldn't vote for Obama, actually.

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Originally posted by F1098

SP-

Well, OK. I guess. You WERE British then

The fact that we had an army poised to violate you (....ohhhhh the pleasure ! been thinking about it ever since ) doesn't matter. Nor does the fact that all of the construction which you burned in D.C. ( land of the free and home of the brave etc.) was made with slave labor.

You just shouldn't have done that nasty thing !

Gave us some bad music too ! Poo on u, and behave or we will put batteries of Davey's penis rockets on your border.


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British rule anyway.

Sadly we didn't win the battle of New Orleans, which would have been nice today, so I could move there and get a little sun during the winter.

The bad music, like Celine, and Bieber and Nickleback are payback for trying to take our land. The good music like Metric, Tegan & Sara, and Death From Above 1979, is our way of saying sorry for burning down the White House.

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Originally posted by frankfurt11

Obama all the way!!! How anyone could not vote for him or even vote romney is beyond me

last i saw, 40 states have started petitions to secede from the Union since obama's re-election. unprecedented in American history. while most may not amount to much, it is a sign of how obama's policies & programs have divided our country.

on a personal note, during obama's presidency, i've had one friend who commited suicide and 4 friends who've had their homes foreclosed (i'll be the 5th on Nov. 28) due to obama's dismal handling of the U.S. economy.

being in europe, only hearing your skewed european news, you have no idea of what real life has been like for regular working people here in the U.S. during obama.

Az

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Originally posted by azdesertrat

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last i saw, 40 states have started petitions to secede from the Union since obama's re-election. unprecedented in American history. while most may not amount to much, it is a sign of how obama's policies & programs have divided our country.

Eh, it's also a sign of a White House petition website that allows anyone to start a petition for anything that didn't exist before this election. (The Obama administration implemented the petition page after his election in 2008). That petition page, by the way, also had a petition for Batman to become the next Secretary of Defense, so maybe we shouldn't take everything on there started by some goofs seriously.

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Originally posted by azguy

on a personal note, during obama's presidency, i've had one friend who commited suicide and 4 friends who've had their homes foreclosed (i'll be the 5th on Nov. 28) due to obama's dismal handling of the U.S. economy.

Well, there's some blame to go around there. The economy self-destructed while Bush was still in office, and the seeds of that collapse were sown both in GWB's tenure and in that of his predecessor, Mr. Clinton.

That said, Obama's team (which was basically Clinton's economic team) handled the housing situation extraordinarily poorly, and basically all measures taken to support the economy disproportionately helped the 1% at the expense of everyone else.

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Originally posted by Az

last i saw, 40 states have started petitions to secede from the Union since obama's re-election. unprecedented in American history.

A very misleading statement. But unsurprising. The total count on signatures to the petition is 660,000 to 700,000. That is 0.2% of the total population. The only reason this is showing up in the news is because they are feeding the fire with the right-wing media. You could easily find 700,000 people that wanted out with George Bush.

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Originally posted by Az

while most may not amount to much,

Not much at all. All smoke, no fire.

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Originally posted by Az

it is a sign of how obama's policies & programs have divided our country.

No, it is more of a sign of how well the propaganda has influenced the right-wing. They did a survey of viewers of every channel and Fox viewers were always the least informed on subjects and current events. Almost to the point where a lot of responses they gave were diametrically opposite of reality.

[ fairleigh dickinson university ]

All of the states that voted for Romney were the states that get the most Federal assistance of the groups.

[ nytimes ]
[ the economist ]

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Originally posted by Az

on a personal note, during obama's presidency, i've had one friend who commited suicide and 4 friends who've had their homes foreclosed (i'll be the 5th on Nov. 28) due to obama's dismal handling of the U.S. economy.

You ignore the fact that every single turn, the Republican base as obstructed everything he has done. Considering that he stopped the recession even with a bill that the majority of economist said was too small and that the comprimises he made with the Republicans hurt the affects. If you want to blame anyone you should blame the previous administration for deregulating large chunks of the housing market and the bank market giving them the legs to give out "subprime" loans. Blame the Congress that held everything back.

[ the washington post ]
[ the washington post 2 ]
[ mediamatters ]

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Originally posted by Az

being in europe, only hearing your skewed european news, you have no idea of what real life has been like for regular working people here in the U.S. during obama.

Really, you are going to call their news skewed? If it wasn't for Obama, we would be in a recession right now. A recession that he didn't even create but was left behind by the insane "trickle-down" idealogy that for some reason people cling to.

If a Republican President stopped a recession, killed Osama Bin Laden, helped get rid of Quadafi, saved GM and Chrysler, and rose the Dow by 50% he would of been praised as the second coming. If he wasn't identified as a Democrat they would love him.

// edit: sorry, bad math for a second.

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Originally posted by azdesertrat

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last i saw, 40 states have started petitions to secede from the Union since obama's re-election. unprecedented in American history. while most may not amount to much, it is a sign of how obama's policies & programs have divided our country.

It will go nowhere. In Canada Quebec has been threatening to separate from the rest of Canada for decades. When push comes to shove, they know damn well that things will be much much worse on their own than it would be as part of an already established country.

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Originally posted by azdesertrat

on a personal note, during obama's presidency, i've had one friend who commited suicide and 4 friends who've had their homes foreclosed (i'll be the 5th on Nov. 28) due to obama's dismal handling of the U.S. economy.

I'm sorry that you lost a friend, but Obama being president had nothing to do with it. People who take their own lives do so because they can't deal with their emotions.

I'm also sorry that you're loosing your home, I can't imagine being in your situation. However, I'm not sure how you can blame a president (Obama or anyone) for you losing your home. You can say that its because you lost a job, or interest rates went to high, but to blame a single man, who has no direct control over the situation is ridiculous. Were there mistakes made in the US housing crisis? Absolutely yes, was President Obama solely responsible for those mistakes? Absolutely no.

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Originally posted by Kanzen

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A very misleading statement. But unsurprising. The total count on signatures to the petition is 660,000 to 700,000. That is 0.002% of the total population. The only reason this is showing up in the news is because they are feeding the fire with the right-wing media. You could easily find 700,000 people that wanted out with George Bush.

You sure about that, brah?