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2012 Presidential Election POLL

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#4732268
Lvl 28
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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Maybe not solely because of the racist vote, but the fact is that there is a certain percentage of the population that will not vote Obama simply because the color of his skin. I doubt that its 23% like Paradise states, but there is a percentage. With the race being as close as it is, that group may just give Romney the win.


Surgarpie,

Sure there are. I would never say otherwise.

I do some work in the deep south. Some of what happens down there is just as wrong as wrong can be.

I do enough work in the inner city to know it goes both ways too.

But, unlike Paradise-50, who in true lib fashion, is only willing to bet Mitt's money, I'd bet my own money that there are more blacks that will vote for Obama simply because he's black, than whites that won't for the same reason.
#4732269
Lvl 26
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Originally posted by bustMall

Almost 50.


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Originally posted by bustwut

Best friend in college was black.
Used to go home with him on the weekends.


Really? You are going to go there? "I have black friends." Wow, you spent weekends with him.

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Originally posted by bustednut

Experienced "black" about as close as a white cracker can, I guess.


Holy fucking shit, do you actually believe that you are as "close" as you can get? That would be me like "Yeah, I've been to the beach. I totally know, understand, and have experienced the ocean in proximation."

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Originally posted by bustyourgodwhatthehelliswrongwithyou

Your "facts" are what you fall back on when you run out of excuses.


"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,"

You are one fucking step away from the bullshit "who fact checks the fact-checkers."
#4732270
Lvl 28
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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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So you're telling me that over the course of 4 years. 23% of the white people that voted for Obama last time have suddenly become racist? I don't believe that. Show me your proof.


There isn't any. Like so many other things in the "racist" argument, it's an excuse on which to blame another woe. Nothing more. Fortunately, I also know some black men who recognize Obama for the danger than he is, and they do their best to spread the word. Although they are first to admit that it's a very uphill battle.
#4732271
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Originally posted by bustMall

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Surgarpie,

Sure there are. I would never say otherwise.

I do some work in the deep south. Some of what happens down there is just as wrong as wrong can be.

I do enough work in the inner city to know it goes both ways too.

But, unlike Paradise-50, who in true lib fashion, is only willing to bet Mitt's money, I'd bet my own money that there are more blacks that will vote for Obama simply because he's black, than whites that won't for the same reason.


Ahhh...but that really shouldn't be the question. The real question should be: Are there more blacks that will vote against Romney because of his skin color, than whites who vote against Obama because of the same reason.

Of course there are going to be blacks voting for a black president...for the first time in the history of their country there is someone running for office with the same color skin as them....can you imagine someone coming out slavery and seeing this for the first time? Its not so much an issue of reverse racism, its about being proud of your history and your roots..which sometimes can be perceived as racism. I'm not saying that all blacks feel this way, but I will bet that there are more blacks feeling this way than whites.
#4732272
Lvl 28
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Originally posted by Quacken
(Is this what you do when you run out of lines... start calling names? Typical lib)
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Really? You are going to go there? "I have black friends." Wow, you spent weekends with him.

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Holy fucking shit, do you actually believe that you are as "close" as you can get? That would be me like "Yeah, I've been to the beach. I totally know, understand, and have experienced the beach in proximation."

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No Kanzen, that's not what I said, and if you want to try and re-comprehend, have a go at it.

It would be impossible for a white guy to understand being black. I get that. What I said, (and maybe I should have also said that I went home to live with his FAMILY) is that I experienced it about as close as a white cracker could.

Can I comprehend it? Nope. Can I understand a little closer than most whites? Yep. I lived, ate, slept, shopped, churched, argued.... with them, and out in public, along side them. Heard and saw what was lived in public, and heard and saw what was lived behind the front door. It was a magnificent experience for me.
#4732273
Lvl 26
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Originally posted by bustMall

But, unlike Paradise-50, who in true lib fashion, is only willing to bet Mitt's money, I'd bet my own money that there are more blacks that will vote for Obama simply because he's black, than whites that won't for the same reason.


HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT IS GOD DAMN PANTS ON HEAD WHILE EATING PAINT CHIPS RETARDED.

Minorities (African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanics, and Immigrants) have always voted en masse for Democrats. It on average has always been 95-97% of them voting for the Democrat. Your fucking racist bullshit is insane, or are you going to tell me every Democrat was secretly mixed with a Minority.

// edit: I'm sorry, but I am not bothering to waste my time in this thread anymore. It's like arguing with a drunk who wants to drive the car again after the car was just towed out of the ditch.
#4732274
Lvl 28
Kanzen,

If I wanted to have a debate with someone who's only defense was to call names and throw insults, I'd go back to middle school.

Believe what you will. Go back to your video games. I know that you're a reasonably intelligent person and a tech genius, but I won't do this with you.

So far, I've said very little of what you pin on me. So why bother? You'll hear what you want to hear.

But let me share a recent story.

I needed some laborers. I called a company to ask if they had any. Described the work needed. they said "Sure, we can have two guys there tonight".

We all arrive. The two guys ask about the work, we describe it and the one goes all ape-shit, and says "You mean this isn't XXX? I'm an XXX guy".

I said "I don't get it, the job is identical other than it doesn't contain XXX. What's the difference? It all pays the same."

He said "I don't care. I was trained for XXX. You need laborers. I'm not doing this." (throughout all this, every other word out of his mouth was "fuck" )

And he walked off. The other guy wanted to stay, but peer pressure got the best of him. So these two products of the Job-Training programs, looked at the work I've done all my life, fed my family with, and made a good company out of and effectively said "This shit's below me".... then went home to collect a few more of my tax dollars because there was no work available, after being "educated" in a program paid for with tax dollars.

Yeah. Go ahead. Call me whatever the hell you want. Won't change the truth. I'll keep working hard. Keep paying my taxes. Keep listening to the excuses.
#4732275
Lvl 8
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Originally posted by Kanzen



Minorities (African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanics, and Immigrants) have always voted en masse for Democrats. It on average has always been 95-97% of them voting for the Democrat.



Except in Miami/Dade county where 73% of registered republicans are hispanic. I know it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion/argument but I was just pointing out an anti stereotype.
#4732276
Lvl 6
I shall add my 2 cents.

I have been a Republican my entire life. Raised on the GOP and surrounded by the GOP. There is no way in hell I am voting for Romney/Ryan. I could have voted for Romney if he had a decent running mate other then that douchebag Ryan.

I can understand Obamas 23% loss in the "white" vote. I would think that he has lost just about as much of the "black" vote as well. See not being racist but just being honest for a second (Which might be viewed as racist). In America if a person is biracial (White & Black, White & Mexican, etc.) then the white people of America tend to refer to them as black, mexican etc. In the same token if a person is "mixed race" (White & Black) then the blacks usually refer to them as white or "light skinned". When Obama released is birth cert. and it showed he was of mixed race most of the blacks around my parts refused to say we had a black president anymore. Now I do live in the southeast so that might play a part in it too.
#4732277
Lvl 26
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Originally posted by bustMall

Kanzen,

If I wanted to have a debate with someone who's only defense was to call names and throw insults, I'd go back to middle school.


Well when you are presented facts you deny them and call them "our facts," because it suits the narrative you have already developed and actually letting outside information in would force you to reconsider your positions. Technically I didn't call you any names, I said that your ideas were retarded but that was as far as it goes.

But then again, you call Obama a danger, but you can't actually give any reference to why he is a danger.

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Originally posted by bustmall

Believe what you will. Go back to your video games. I know that you're a reasonably intelligent person and a tech genius, but I won't do this with you.


Well when two sides can't agree on reality it doesn't really work. You want to redefine your statements afterwards in the same vein as Romney and most politicians do. "Hey that isn't what I meant when I typed out this."

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Originally posted by bustmall

So far, I've said very little of what you pin on me. So why bother? You'll hear what you want to hear.


Pin what on you exactly? I didn't say you specifically were/are racist, I stated that the position was that of tinge of racism. Stating that the reason blacks vote for Obama is because he is black. Ignoring the fact that the majority minorities have voted Democratic. But I didn't say that you were. Now how you handled the response was the typical, almost comical way that racists deal with being called racists. "I have black friends." Sure you can't actually provide any real information or sources. But just saying it makes it right, right?

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Originally posted by bustedwall

But let me share a recent story.

I needed some laborers. I called a company to ask if they had any. Described the work needed. they said "Sure, we can have two guys there tonight".

We all arrive. The two guys ask about the work, we describe it and the one goes all ape-shit, and says "You mean this isn't XXX? I'm an XXX guy".

I said "I don't get it, the job is identical other than it doesn't contain XXX. What's the difference? It all pays the same."

He said "I don't care. I was trained for XXX. You need laborers. I'm not doing this." (throughout all this, every other word out of his mouth was "fuck" )

And he walked off. The other guy wanted to stay, but peer pressure got the best of him. So these two products of the Job-Training programs, looked at the work I've done all my life, fed my family with, and made a good company out of and effectively said "This shit's below me".... then went home to collect a few more of my tax dollars because there was no work available, after being "educated" in a program paid for with tax dollars.


Story is the perfect term to describe what you just said. All of that comes off as hypothetical because you can't offer any actual evidence. If anything it describe you as the one who didn't give that much specificity or the fellow that you talked to didn't either. So if anything it was a failure of communication and not the Jobs-Training. You seem to be also ignoring that they were told something different about the job and because of the mix-up have lost an opportunity to make some income. Any sane person would be livid about going to a job site and then told it wasn't the job that they were told.

I like how you ignore most of what your tax money goes to.

Twenty-one percent goes to Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP. (But I suppose widespread health problems and disease is cool too.)
Twenty percent goes to Defense and International Security (Which Romney wants to increase.)
Twenty percent goes to Social Security (Which you will be a beneficiary of in a moment.)
Thirteen percent goes to Safety Net Programs (Welfare, Jobs training takes up about four percent of. Also returning Veterans use to get jobs.)
Seven percent goes to Federal Retirees and Veterans (of unpaid for wars).
Six percent goes to the interest on our debt.
Four percent to a combination of non specified items.
Three percent goes to Transportation and Infrastructure. (Which needs to take a chunk out of the excess Military unless you like crumbling bridges and roads. But maybe the freemarket approach will work, right?)
Two percent to Science and Medical Research.
One percent to Non-Security International. (Diplomacy.)

Now tell me that the Center on Budget and Policy, is wrong about this. But somehow your anecdotal statement has more worth and weight.

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Originally posted by bustedmall

Yeah. Go ahead. Call me whatever the hell you want. Won't change the truth. I'll keep working hard.


I'd call you delusional, because your version of "truth" only seems to come from one side. The one that always seems to fit your narrative to the "t".

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Originally posted by bustedmall

Keep paying my taxes. Keep listening to the excuses.


Wow, you have to pay taxes to keep the infrastructure of America running. Just like everyone else is. But go ahead and vote for the guy who actually went out of his way to avoid most of his. Telling us, getting tax cuts should be an incentive.
#4732278
Lvl 60
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Originally posted by littlethick

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IMO, Hussein had his time and it is now time to move on and let someone... ANYONE try.


I think this comment was very appropriate in light of the racism comments that preceded it.... there is no reason to use Obama's middle name to reference him in the midst of a disparaging post if not to invoke the racist overture against Muslim's and those of middle eastern descent that has been all too prevalent in the post 9/11 world.

Race has certainly been a factor and will continue to be a factor. Even in this election cycle, Romney's son and Tommy Thompson's son have said things along the lines of it's time to send Obama back to Kenya or back to Africa.
#4732279
Lvl 60
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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Ahhh...but that really shouldn't be the question. The real question should be: Are there more blacks that will vote against Romney because of his skin color, than whites who vote against Obama because of the same reason.

Of course there are going to be blacks voting for a black president...for the first time in the history of their country there is someone running for office with the same color skin as them....can you imagine someone coming out slavery and seeing this for the first time?


All of this is true; and I think the original statement is questionable anyway. African-American voters align themselves with the democratic candidate much moreso than with the GOP candidate. So do more black self-identified GOP members vote for Obama just because he's black? I don't know. But the fact that black people disproportionately support Obama isn't entirely dispositive.
#4732280
Lvl 13
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#4732282
Lvl 26
I already voted for the Harvard grad - the business school, not the law school. We've had enough lawyers screwing up America.
#4732283
Lvl 18
I was not being racist in any form or fashion by using his middle name Paradise or Kanzen. The same as many people referred to the prior president as "Bush". Hmm, didnt hear any remarks thrown out about racism then. Probably because calling someone by their last name, middle name, is not racism. I dont see how you took it that way. Sorry, we cannot discuss this anymore, I will not argue. Kanzen you have a foul mouth bud but the internet is a great place to vent that with out getting hurt.
#4732284
Lvl 20
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Originally posted by Kanzen

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In China he has created jobs. But his main source of income from Bain Capital was buying up companies and firing everyone and selling off the remainder of assets.

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You mean the Salt Lake Organizing Committee's budget for the Olympics? Oh he did that easily, by getting the $1.5 BILLION DOLLAR funding from the Government.

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Which part are you referring to? The SL Olympics or Massachusetts? Where he left them with $2.6 Billion in debt. Job rate at 47th out of the fifty states? Or the fact that Massachusetts was losing jobs at twice the national average?

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Except slow the insane free fall we were in after Bush started two unfunded wars, gave tax cuts, cut regulation on the Banking system, and gave companies incentives to move jobs overseas.

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Except you know...

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Oh shi-- maybe you should stop consuming your "news" from Fox and actually look outside of the bubble.

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Guess who drove it broke, or are you going to say that the two wars and tax cuts are perfectly fine. The only reason he are at $16 Trillion now is because Bush left us with a $10 Trillion Debt and a collapsing banking system that he himself had a part in taking out regulations and safe guards. How dare we now try to help people stay alive. Fuck them, right?

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That has to be the dumbest fucking thing I've heard today. What we really can't take is all this money of the 1% controlling our fucking media and consuming the god damn fucking government. But maybe that is the only way people will learn when Romney cuts out all help for those who aren't rich. Good luck when he guts health care, education, social services, and women's reproductive rights. You know what will happen? A huge income disparity while the rich use the shell of a government to gut the middle and lower class citizens. Poverty, unemployment (outside of non-livable wages, good luck on that $7.50 an hour.), over-population, and diseases.
All of that to show that Obama has done nothing but increase government spending, that he said he would cut in his first campaign. He has created more government jobs, and instituted more government dependency programs, which taxpayers will shoulder the cost of. Yes he has attained some of his goals, but at the cost of the American people. Solar and Wind energy are decades from being feasible for large scale production of electricity and long line transmission, and seeing as only a portion of the United States has the required annual wind or sun to make local energy production useful, you are not solving anything with the wasted money on "renewable" energy. Further more, more regulation does not mean that the economy will be better off or that people will be any safer from speculators. The economy was flushed by many politicians not just Bush. The housing bubble was the fault of the Fed forcing the interest rates down and also making banks give sub-prime loans. The government itself is the worst enemy of the people they supposedly represent and protect. Regardless of who wins the presidency Congress is the ones with all the power. Blame Bush all you want, but most of the blame should be put on the Congress where it rightfully belongs.
#4732285
Lvl 6
what you have here is the difference between a "community organizer" and a real businessman,,,,, the last thing we ever needed was a community organizer trying to run this country!
#4732286
Lvl 18
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Originally posted by paradise_50

littlechicken...you are showing your total ignorance in how America is governed. The US House of Representatives and the GOP minority in the Senate have stopped Obama from doing anything since the Tea Party take over of 2010. The filibuster was used in the Senate sparingly...a tad over 50 times total in all the decades it's been in place. It has been used MORE in the past 2 years by the GOP than in all previous years combined...by a 2:1 ratio.

States made that are by "egos with attitudes," are why I this is my sig line ---> "ignorance is bliss for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences."

But hey, they are really expecting lots and lots and lots of "the ignorant" to vote for them. And just how old are you littlechicken? Don't you find it interestng (I'm sure you've never even realized this)...that you and bustMall just have one thought used to justify why you'll vote for RMoney? Just read the diary I wrote and linked to...learn a little something. Are you involved in politics? Do you know how Washington works? Are you aware of just how totally different the GOP has behaved since 2010 in "not governing" but simply "blocking?" Really...I'd like to know.

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Good ol pari. I am a "littlechicken" older than you. (That is if by Paridise 50, you intend to disply that you are 50 years old?)Nice name you renamed my profile name too by the way. Take you very long to come up with these? Look, I'm not going to argue with you, I can go to the local bar and argue with drunks all night, so I wont do it here. Have a good rest of your arguing time.
#4732287
Lvl 12
sorry, but I can't afford to vote for Rich Uncle Pennybags. I don't make enough to get his taxbreaks.
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