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Proposition 8

Starter: News_Girl Posted: 16 years ago Views: 7.9K
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#3894875
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[reply=brownell]
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Whatever, but the ballot initiatives are merely a correction of decisions made by activist judges.

So, an "activist judge" is a judge who rules in a way that goes against YOUR beliefs and ideas? What do you call judges who rules WITH your beliefs and ideas?
#3894876
Lvl 14
no an activist judge who tried to change what has been and what should always be the definition of marriage, between one man and one woman.
#3894877
Lvl 18
Just cause you think this way, I'm going to see if I can marry my dog.

My male dog, mother fucker.

(You need a hobby)
#3894878
Lvl 16
I feel sad for people who believe everyone should not be treated as equals. Your ideology will die alongside your God.
#3894879
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Originally posted by brownell

I'm not surprised that you said it isn't as much about equal treatment as it is about acceptance, but the problem is that heterosexual couples are not the "same" as a homosexual couples. It is quite obvious that men and women are designed to be with each other sexually. Beyond the sexual aspect, their bodies are obviously designed to have a different purpose in the life cycle. The human race can not exist without heterosexuals, while the human race does not "need" homosexuals. I'm not trying to be mean, but if it's "normal" to be heterosexual, then being gay is something other than "normal" That doesn't mean it's bad, it just means different. Short people certainly have obstacles in life not endured by people of average height. Did you ever tease a redhead when you were in school.... someone with freckles, curly hair maybe? What about the stigma of "bachelors" and "old maids" that never partner up or get married. Where's their tax break, who do they share insurance and death benefits with? Surely there is something "wrong" with them since they never had a partner? .... Or maybe they're just built different.

Men and women belong together because it must be that way. There is no ambiguity about why a male has a penis, where it's located, and what happens at the height of sexual arousal, just as there is no ambiguity about why a female has a vagina, where it's located, and why that thing happens every month during her sexually prime years. Gay couples can never "fit together" as heteros can. There's no denying that men and women are "supposed to" have sexual contact with each other, it's obviously "normal", and the same can not be said of gay couples.

No matter how much you want it to be, it can never be the same type of relationship that a man and a woman can have. Gay couple can never complete the most basic human instinct on their own... reproduction. At a minimum they'll still need the assistance of a 3rd party of the opposite sex (and probably a 4th party if they're monogamous) The only other option is adoption, in which case neither would a direct connection to the creation of a new life.

Re-defining marriage will not make homosexuality more acceptable, anymore than redefining "short" will make someone taller. IMO, the best any of us can do make them most of what we have, demand fair treatment, and not be concerned about what others do unless it directly impacts our lives.


I'm not gonna get into the whole argument about what is natural and what isn't with you, because I know that is an argument that neither of us will win. But you said it yourself in the last sentence you wrote....FAIR TREATMENT. It isn't illegal for the old maid, or the short person, or the girl for freckles to get married....it is for me. Hell it isn't even illegal...it just isn't...I'm just ignored like I don't exist.

@ thegame - Ok, I'll give up my right to have a parade, fly a rainbow flag and whatever. You then have to give up having a celebration for your favorite sports team in public, or protesting against something you don't believe in. Why does someone celebrating something threaten you so much? If you don't like it...then don't fucking go...how hard is that?
My own special groups and symbols...and you don't? Do you belong to a group, club, a fan of anything, have a favorite team? I see no difference.
#3894880
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Thegame14: The problem with basing your whole opinions and beliefs on religion is that not everyone is religious. Personnally, I respect that you may be religious, but I am not. I feel that religion is one of the longest running scams ever perpetuated on the world, and it's turned into nothing short of "big business", filled with gross contradictions. For example (just one): gambling is a sin, yet the church can sell raffle tickets and have gambling-type events. But just because I'm non-religious doesn't mean that I base my opinions on the non-religious/non-secular view(s). So, to base your whole opinion or beliefs on a religious doctrine may work for you, it's hardly convincing for all. "Definitions", as you call them, are not cut in stone, and do change over time, just like the U.S. Constitution is a "living, breathing" document that changes over time, and it's "definitions" must be adapted over time to reflect how the world, and we, change.

P.S.: mrdorkbutt - now you're not just into beastiality, but homesexual beastiality, and homosexual, civil union beastiality? Geeeez, when you step outside, watch real carefully for those bolts of lightning. (You always crack me up!!)
#3894881
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it is a different, you didnt mention anything about how Affirmative action, EOF, the NAACP, all make me second calls, I want those benefits then, if you have a right to straight benefits, I want rights to minority benefits, I want to get the promotion at work bacause of diversity, I want to get into a school that I shouldnt get into cause I am a minority, I want EBT cause I am a minority, or rent control or low income housing because I am a minority.

Most people claim they want equal, they dont, they want the best of both worlds.
#3894882
Lvl 14
it isnt the same as a sports team, you get no benefit to rooting for a sports team, you want to be equal, then to be equal you should give up everything that makes you unique, all special benefits, parades, flags, that stupid gay lisp, anything that seperates you or makes you unique/different, I bet you dont want that, you want the right to marry, but dont want to give up anything you already have that seperates you.
#3894883
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Originally posted by thegame14

it is a different, you didnt mention anything about how Affirmative action, EOF, the NAACP, all make me second calls, I want those benefits then, if you have a right to straight benefits, I want rights to minority benefits, I want to get the promotion at work bacause of diversity, I want to get into a school that I shouldnt get into cause I am a minority, I want EBT cause I am a minority, or rent control or low income housing because I am a minority.

Most people claim they want equal, they dont, they want the best of both worlds.

it isnt the same as a sports team, you get no benefit to rooting for a sports team, you want to be equal, then to be equal you should give up everything that makes you unique, all special benefits, parades, flags, that stupid gay lisp, anything that seperates you or makes you unique/different, I bet you dont want that, you want the right to marry, but dont want to give up anything you already have that seperates you.


I have never once clammed to be a minority. I have never once said that I should get special treatment. I want the same treatment as you, no more, no less.

Why do you cheer for a sports team, why would you be happy to see them win? It wouldn't be fun and give you sense of pride by chance? Why do you put the decal of their logo on your car? NO BENEFIT? Then why do it?
#3894884
Lvl 14
you are still missing the point, most people who claim equality dont want it, you want equal to be married, but I bet wouldnt give up every single bit of gay culture to get it, and if you wouldnt give up every single aspect of gay clulture, you arent equal you would still have your gay culture and now also get the right to marry, which makes you inequal as you get the best of both. You fail to see this.
#3894885
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live and let live!

equality for all!

(I have not always thought this way),but,now
I think that alternate lifestyles should be as valid as different races!!

(would love to see comeplete peace on earth!!)
#3894886
Lvl 14
if there were to be equality, we have to get rid of every social program that makes us unequal, no more EOF, Affirmative action, no more diversity initiatives, no more flags other than american flags, no more NAACP, no more gay lesbian and transgerder groups, or latin groups, or anything that gives a benefit to any minority, but guess what, the minorities dont want that, they have the big scam of claiming they want to be equal, as long as they are equal and keep their special benefits, which makes them more than equal, that is the big scam.
#3894887
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Originally posted by thegame14

you are still missing the point, most people who claim equality dont want it, you want equal to be married, but I bet wouldnt give up every single bit of gay culture to get it, and if you wouldnt give up every single aspect of gay clulture, you arent equal you would still have your gay culture and now also get the right to marry, which makes you inequal as you get the best of both. You fail to see this.


I don't fail to see your point. I simply am saying that you didn't have to give up your culture to get married...why should I. Its culture...its not a benefit. Besides, its not the point. Even if I did give it all up, would I be allowed to get married...no.
#3894888
Lvl 14
it is a benefit, I dont get a million man march, or EOF, or AA, or EBT, or any social program to benefit a minority, you have that, so you have things that I dont have, but I dont get to bitch to the govt that I want your programs and benefits, but you get to bitch and ask for mine. When do I get EOF, Affirmative action, diversity initiavites, NAACP? Or any of that stuff. You fail to see that you ( and other minorities) get benefits that I dont, you think you only dont have the ones I do, but fail to see the ones you have that I dont. You cant have the best of both worlds
#3894889
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If I give up my right to be married can I pick up different cultures in exchange?

I didn't know that that's how it worked.

Say hello to "Kunta Desh"

I get to eat fried chicken, drink malt liquor, and be paid top dollar in the work place!
#3894890
Lvl 24
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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

Just cause you think this way, I'm going to see if I can marry my dog.

My male dog, mother fucker.

(You need a hobby)


#3894891
Lvl 22
Quote:
Originally posted by thegame14

if there were to be equality, we have to get rid of every social program that makes us unequal, no more EOF, Affirmative action, no more diversity initiatives, no more flags other than american flags, no more NAACP, no more gay lesbian and transgerder groups, or latin groups, or anything that gives a benefit to any minority, but guess what, the minorities dont want that, they have the big scam of claiming they want to be equal, as long as they are equal and keep their special benefits, which makes them more than equal, that is the big scam.


Dear Sir,
I am not Gay,I am Not a minority,I am not on any soical "program"!

All that I am saying is that, people with narrow minds (such as yourself)

are who put us in this predicament in the first place.Now is the time for

ALL of us to fix the problem!! And then live in peace!!
#3894892
Lvl 14
yeah fix, it start by getting rid of EOF, Affirmative Action, NAACP, and all social programs aimed to benefit minorities.... Get rid of people who fly a flag in this country other than the american one, like the PR flag and parade, if we are to be equal we should be as Americans, as long as we associate ourselves as gay or straight or latino, or black, or anything else, and there are programs designed for only that group we will never be equal.

But you never hear of anyone saying we need to get rid of minority benefits to make us equal, that you will never hear, but until you stop getting benefits for being a minority, you cant complain
#3894893
Lvl 22
^^seems you will never get it grasshopper^^
#3894894
Lvl 14
seems like you dont get it, you want the best of both worlds, you dont want TRUE equality, you want SELECTIVE equality. But you keep missing that
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