Consentual or Rape??

there's definitely a difference to me. Boys are less emotionally attatched to sex. A 16 year old girl truly believes in her soul that any guy who sleeps with her loves her. A 16 year old boy simply wants to have sex and won't get totally devastated when he finds out the relationship doesn't mean anything beyond that.

If it was my son sleeping with a 40 year old woman then I'd put a stop to it but I wouldn't press charges. On the same token I wouldn't press charges if it was my daughter either cause I simply don't believe in involving the government in anything. I'd handle the situation myself and I'd do it a lot better then the cops would anyway. Bottom line is boys and girls are not equal, we are not the same and the situations shouldn't be treated the same. We think differently about things and handle things very differently. Just because in the past 40 or so years everyone is screaming equality doesn't mean it's true. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses and those need to be taken into account when talking about things like this. A 16 year old boy is above being able to be taken advantage of. You can tell a 16 year old girl anything and she'll buy into it. They're worlds apart.

Ya also have to take into account whether or not the girl is a [blacklisted], cause a [blacklisted]ty 16 year old girl who's been with a lot of guys is a lot more emotionally detatched from sex then a 16 year old virgin and would be a hell of a lot harder to take advantage of and it's a lot more likely that it truly is consentual and not pressured.

If its statutory rape based on the age of consent nuff said. Its worse in Canada where the age of consent is 14. You can't press charges if its legal. whether its immoral is another thing. I think in either case, male or female, some serious disciplining is in order.

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Originally posted by sd&lmm41

bottom line, under age is under age.

i have to agree. 16 year olds don't know shit in the grand scheme of things. Regardless of gender, in my books a 40 year old hooking up with a 16 year old is predatorial.

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Originally posted by Swiss407

A 16 year old girl truly believes in her soul that any guy who sleeps with her loves her.

thats a pretty hefty statement considering not only are you not a female but youre speaking for all women who are and have ever been and ever will be 16 years old

i did not used to feel this way.

Well, maybe not ALL girls feel that way. But I know every 16 year old girl I've ever known in my life truly believes her boyfriend loves her. Now days they start with the "I love you" stuff the day a guy asks them out. They think relationships mean love. Possibly, FeFe, you were vastly more mature at 16 then any other girls or possibly something happened in your past to cause you to seperate sex and love but that's not my business so I'm not gonna ask. I literally have never known even one girl under 16 who doesn't think they're totally head over heels in love with EVERY guy they date or like.

I have 2 lil sisters one is a step sister and the other is blood but they're both 14 now. Even at that age they've both already lost their virginity to a guy they were totally in love with who ended up sleeping with some other 14 year old girl and dumped them. Now they both jump from guy to guy and it's I love you all day every day to every one. All their friends are the exact same way. There's absolutely no seperation between love, sex or relationships. They feel they all go hand in hand and that you can't have any without having all of 3. I'm not trying to put down women and if you are the exception to the rule and you took offense to what I said then I'm sorry but from what I've seen in life I still stand by my statement. The only girls I've known who could immediately seperate sex from love were ones who were molested or raped a young age. The rest of them sometimes don't even get it till they're in their 20's. I know when I was 16 I took advantage of a ton of 16 year old girls cause it's not hard to play off of that immediate emotional response they give you. I feel bad as hell about it now and it's exactly why I go crazy looking over my sisters shoulders at the guys chasing them around, cause I used to be the piece of shit guy I'm so worried about them hooking up with now. I'm not talking about the 1 or 2 exceptions to the rule, I'm talking about the VAST majority because that's all you can deal with when having discussions like these.

Bottom line. 40 year old guys who take advantage of 16 year old girls, whether it's legal where you are or not, should be castrated on sight. There cannot be any healthy attraction between 2 people of those ages, it can only be manipulative and skewed. A girl who's attracted to men that age has a much deeper problem somewhere in her life that needs to be dealt with before she goes around being with anyone even someone her own age. And any grown man who looks at 16 year old girls as a sex object has too many issues to even deal with and shouldn't be allowed to breathe any longer.

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Originally posted by FeFeHumHum

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A 16 year old girl truly believes in her soul that any guy who sleeps with her loves her.

thats a pretty hefty statement considering not only are you not a female but youre speaking for all women who are and have ever been and ever will be 16 years old

i did not used to feel this way.
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Fefe i have to agree with you just from the perspective of the discussions i've had with my girl about when she was young, 16 year olds don't necessarily fall in love with the people they sleep with.

It's already been mentioned that here in the UK, sex at 16 is legal (though statistics say our kids are having sex much younger!).

The 16 - 40 debate doesn't really bother me with either sex. I have a 21yr old daughter and a 24yr old son. When my daughter was 17, she came home with a 30yr old man. He was an ok bloke, treat her right but the relationship didn't last 'cos he was too imature for her! Beat that! (she is a little old fashioned bless her lol).

So, where do I find these 16yr old girls

16 is legal in the UK.

If a 16 year old girl wants to sleep with a 40 year old guy, then it's up to them.

Same with a 16 year old boy and 40 year old woman.

If it was my daughter, I'd make sure a 40 year old guy did not go anywhere near her.

Not double standards, just that I know for sure that the guy would be a perv and I'd beat him with his own arm

Really it would be wrong in both cases. Neither a 16 year old bto or girl is leagally an adult and should not be sleeping with a 40 year old. Or I should say the 40 year old should not be sleeping with them. Now when I was 19 I did live with a 43 year old woman for about 6 months and needless to say we were sleeping together. That is the exact same age difference in question here but the difference would be that I was Legally an adult and made the choice myself.

I myself have two daughters and a son and if I found out that any of them slept with a 40 year old I would press charges against that person. I would like prefer beating the crap out of them but that would do niether my family or myself any good.

Anyway that is my insight on this subject.

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Originally posted by jruk

It's already been mentioned that here in the UK, sex at 16 is legal (though statistics say our kids are having sex much younger!).

The 16 - 40 debate doesn't really bother me with either sex. I have a 21yr old daughter and a 24yr old son. When my daughter was 17, she came home with a 30yr old man. He was an ok bloke, treat her right but the relationship didn't last 'cos he was too imature for her! Beat that! (she is a little old fashioned bless her lol).

So, where do I find these 16yr old girls

Dude, you are a SICK FUCK. Your joke isn't funny and you let your 17 year old daughter bring home to you a man who's almost twice her age? I don't give a fuck if my daughters 20, if she brings home a mother fucker twice her age to my house they both get the fuck out and he'll be leavin fucked up. You are a pathetic excuse for a father and a man.

Aight, I gotta leave this thread alone cause people here who know me know that I love to argue but when I actually start having an emotional response to a thread and can't keep true hatred from being involved in what I say then I don't want any part with it

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take your own advice and stop threatening people.....fashizzle..

@ Swiss now that makes more sense and yes i would have to agree with you when your talking about girls in general

@ KD you are correct about getting the law involved, beating someone senseless wouldn't help your family any, but it would make a person feel better

My mother was married by age 16. I her first born didn't come along until she was 23. So it wasn't a shotgun wedding type situation. Considering my alcoholic grandfather and my abusive grandmother I think Mom was escaping from a bad situation. It worked out well, my parents had a warm loving relationship and provided a good home for my sister and myself.
However in most situations I believe 16 is too young to make a major life decision, I can't help but feel that the 40 yo is exploiting the 16 yo. and that it could easily turn into a dominance/submissive type relationship.

So what if the girl has no father in her life and has a long term relationship with this 40yo and seduces him showing her love as she knows how? Does this change anything? 16 yo's can be the aggressors too.Same goes for the 16yo male.

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Originally posted by Latino

16 year old girl has consentual sex with a 40 year old man.

16 year old boy has consentual sex with a 40 year old woman.

* which one of these bothers you the most?
* should there be a difference in the way we think of them?
* if so, why is there a difference?
* If either of the two kids above belonged to you, would you press charges? Even if your child said the relationship was consentual?



whats your thoughts?


(kind of deep for WBW members, but lets give it a go )

16 year old boy has consentual sex with a 40 year old woman...Latino's mom?..How do you feel now son?
If either of the two kids above belonged to you, would you press charges? Even if your child said the relationship was consentual?..I guess that all depends on how much time I spent jacking off in front of the computer instead of spending more time with my kids..Hunh?..Or maybe my kids got ideas from spending too much time jacking off in front of the computer..anyway..It's always better to spend time together and do stuff each other enjoys..This doesn't include being a moderator on an internet porn site typing stupid questions ..Get a life dude......

What a topic!

Most all of us have been 16 and some have even gotten to 40 and hopefully our experiences are driving some logic in this discussion. This topic has really opened up some of us for all to see.

In my life I have had sex with woman who were up to 33 yrs older than me and 9 yrs younger. The first older woman I was with I was 19 and still not quite mature enough for that relationship. But I did learn alot from her and she helped me mature in many ways (although I taught her more about sex). The first really young gf that I had was 16 when I was 23. I met her in a bar/resturant that I bartended at. She was quite mature for her age which by the way I didn't find out her real age until her next birthday nearly a year later. Her own mother even lied to me about her age. In both cases the relationships lasted more than 3 yrs.

To say the least we all mature at different rates, some slower, some faster. My belief is that as far as the young ones are concerned they should be at least 18 yo. Under that age it should be up to the parent to be a parent and make some of the decisions for their children and accept the responsilbility for them. Yes, situations are different depending on the sex of the child but for the most part they are still children and for the most need to be treated as such in all cases.

For the older ones wanting to have sex with way younger partners than okay but the line should be drawn at 18 yo. Yes, even with what I have done in my life I now wholeheartedly believe this, even shortly after my relationship with the one that was 16 I believed this. At 18 most societies consider a person to be an adult. Thus if you want to have an adult relationship than have one with an adult, not a child.

As a former bartender I have seen alot of different maturity levels in people. Trust me when I say that age is not barometer for maturity. I have seen plenty of middle-aged juvenile deliquents and a lot of responsible kids. And vice-versa on all of it. FeFe had it right in so many ways.

Also kids are having sex younger than when I lost my virginity (15) and some parents act like it's just another day. When you're young you don't really think about it because you don't have the experience or the maturity level for the consequences, you just want to have sex. And yes Swiss 407, way back then girls said 'I Love You' to whoever liked them for more than a day. Boys too but not in public or especilally in front of her friends. Also we had [blacklisted]s who didn't care either (both sexes). Nothing has changed except the tolerence of stupidity.

Latino, the subject is a very topical for today's world. It's nuts out there nowadays and comparing my world back than to today it makes me shake my head. Most of the things that kids get away with today would have gotten me and my friends buried by our parents and they would have gotten a slap on the back in congratulations from other parents and the police (less work for them, more donuts).

The big problem today in my opinion is the lack of parenting. Most parents, not all, place this job on somebody else to perform for them and in the end the kids run amok. Afterall, do you want to raise your kids or the same people that run the Post Office?

I think the way age-of-consent works in US is: If everyone is of that age (and some states it's 14), and everyone is happy, no legal problems. But if either the teen or the teens parents are unhappy, they can have the 40 year old locked up real quick & easy.

Regardless of the law, or the gender - the 40 year old will be viewed as a predator, and the parents who allow it will be viewed as neglectful if not abusive. And that's probably how it should be. Instincts still TRY to keep things in check.

For what it's worth: My first was a vigin. I truly believed she did it 'cause she loved me. And I was devasted when she dumped my ass. Yeah, at 15 was a walking talking penis - with feelings! Go figure.

And when I was 20 a girlfriend fed me a handful of ludes or something. I passed out - woke up later with one of her girlfriends bouncing up & down on my pole. It was my first anal and I was shocked to say the least. I didn't complain, but clearly a guy can be raped.

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Originally posted by sd&lmm41

bottom line, under age is under age.

If they were in the U.K. (or any other EU state) it would be legal as 16 is the age for consent however if it were my son or daughter i would be uncomfortable with it.

In my humble opinion; legally acceptable morally not.

you can't really accept or accuse these kinds of relationships. i'm 20 yo. now, but when i was about 16 i had a purely SEXUAL relationship with a 27 yo., and YES, i was in OVER MY FUCKING HEAD. it's not normal, it shouldn't happen. at 16 i was a fucking idiotic child, i'm not saying i'm any better now, just that the 40 yo. should get a psychiatric exam....just my 2 cents.
but to think about it, my dad is 14 y older than my mom, so all i gotta say is that he was a lucky bastard great thread, but it will start an uncontrollable debate

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Originally posted by lil_winker

16 year old boy has consentual sex with a 40 year old woman...Latino's mom?..How do you feel now son?
If either of the two kids above belonged to you, would you press charges? Even if your child said the relationship was consentual?..I guess that all depends on how much time I spent jacking off in front of the computer instead of spending more time with my kids..Hunh?..Or maybe my kids got ideas from spending too much time jacking off in front of the computer..anyway..It's always better to spend time together and do stuff each other enjoys..This doesn't include being a moderator on an internet porn site typing stupid questions ..Get a life dude......

what the fuck kind of response is this you dumb fucker?
cause i think of intelligent things for you to talk about and NOT just post endless porn
IM the one with the problem???

you know nothing about me or my private life, so dont try and pretend you do...stay the fuck away.

next time try answering the question in the thread, or go back to your porn.