Discuss how demonic possession and other supernatural things are possible.or not

Denial that the holocaust happened is racism against Jews. That is the explanation I see on ghost hunter shows

I found this article to be an interesting opinion on what exactly are Demons:

http://www.tbm.org/origindemons.htm :

"Many people assume that fallen angels are the same as demons. I don't believe this is true for several reasons.

First, fallen angels are much more powerful than demons. We're told by Jesus to cast out demons. Yet, Jude cautions us in our confrontations with fallen angels. He says,

In the very same way, these dreamers...slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you" (Jude 8-9)

Michael, instead of rebuking Satan himself, said, "The Lord rebuke you." It is proper to rebuke demons but not fallen angels. (Read my book, The Heaven's Gate Suicide, for a more thorough explanation of the work of demons and fallen angels.)

Second, fallen angels have their own celestial bodies, therefore they have no need to inhabit bodies. Yet demons seek bodies desperately; and, if need be, they will settle for the bodies of animals (Mark 5:12-13).

Third, fallen angels have the ability to fly, but demons can only walk. Jesus says concerning demons, "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none" (Matthew 12:43, KJV). Demons walk, fallen angels fly......"

The toaster impregnated a silhouette of Jim Parsons in my bread this morning.

I believe in God so I know in my heart that he exists, and if there is a God it is only reasonable that the Devil and his fallen Angels exists as well. But for a lot of people who see Demons under every rock, and behind every bush and tree I only have one thing to say, they have medication for that.

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Originally posted by lia

I believe in God so I know in my heart that he exists, and if there is a God it is only reasonable that the Devil and his fallen Angels exists as well. But for a lot of people who see Demons under every rock, and behind every bush and tree I only have one thing to say, they have medication for that.

Like what? Are you saying that If I don't believe in god and see demons under rocks and behind trees I need medication?

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Like what? Are you saying that If I don't believe in god and see demons under rocks and behind trees I need medication?

Poida I am not saying that they don't exist, it's jus that some peeps take everything to extremes. Your most likely one of the more sane people around, but some peeps are jus paranoid bout many/most things. I guess maybe I should take a break and have a conversation with my other self for a few and get my meds too......

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Poida I am not saying that they don't exist, it's jus that some peeps take everything to extremes. Your most likely one of the more sane people around, but some peeps are jus paranoid bout many/most things. I guess maybe I should take a break and have a conversation with my other self for a few and get my meds too......

Are you sure meds are the answer? maybe you just need to take a step back and enjoy the ride. Weird shit happens all the time, it's normal.

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I believe in God so I know in my heart that he exists, and if there is a God it is only reasonable that the Devil and his fallen Angels exists as well. But for a lot of people who see Demons under every rock, and behind every bush and tree I only have one thing to say, they have medication for that.

Yeah I don't know. Thats kind of like saying I believe in water, so I know the Loch Ness Monster exists.

No stranger than saying the Universe just popped up out of nowhere and life began for no reason. That is magical in itself. Yes there was an explosion that created a infinite Universe. What set off this explosion? Why did it detonate? Why do we need a Universe of no purpose? The Universe would have no purpose without life. So maybe the Universe was created so life would exist? Seems that the Universe spreads the building blocks for life. The Universe provides the heat, sunlight, water, gravity, oxygen, minerals, DNA etc for life to exist. So this probably means the Universe had a creator who wanted life. The creator would have to exist outside of the Universe

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Yeah I don't know. Thats kind of like saying I believe in water, so I know the Loch Ness Monster exists.

I can only talk bout my faith and what I feel, I cant speak for anyone else's beliefs. If you choose not to believe the way that I believe that is for you to decide in what and how you choose to believe, or not to believe. What you have faith and or belief in is up to you, and only you.

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Yeah I don't know. Thats kind of like saying I believe in water, so I know the Loch Ness Monster exists.

That is not a sensible argument to the question of whether the infinite Universe just popped up out of nowhere for no reason at all. There is also no reason why an inanimate Universe would provide all the ingredients for life. Scientist now say it seems the Universe promotes life. Scientist can only go back so far before they reach a dead end for their theories. Takes just as much faith to believe the Universe popped up out of nowhere for no reason. NO scientist has any provable idea why the Universe exist. No provable idea of why is started expanding. No Idea what was here before the Universe existed. Why there was nothingness.. Your faith is in science. A Science that has a long way to go before it figures out the secrets of the Universe

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That is not a sensible argument to the question of whether the infinite Universe just popped up out of nowhere for no reason at all. There is also no reason why an inanimate Universe would provide all the ingredients for life. Scientist now say it seems the Universe promotes life. Scientist can only go back so far before they reach a dead end for their theories. Takes just as much faith to believe the Universe popped up out of nowhere for no reason. NO scientist has any provable idea why the Universe exist. No provable idea of why is started expanding. No Idea what was here before the Universe existed. Why there was nothingness.. Your faith is in science. A Science that has a long way to go before it figures out the secrets of the Universe

There's way less proof of demons, God, angels, Jesus walking on water... Yet you still believe it all and call science bullshit...

Can this thread just die already? -.-

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That is not a sensible argument to the question of whether the infinite Universe just popped up out of nowhere for no reason at all. There is also no reason why an inanimate Universe would provide all the ingredients for life. Scientist now say it seems the Universe promotes life. Scientist can only go back so far before they reach a dead end for their theories. Takes just as much faith to believe the Universe popped up out of nowhere for no reason. NO scientist has any provable idea why the Universe exist. No provable idea of why is started expanding. No Idea what was here before the Universe existed. Why there was nothingness.. Your faith is in science. A Science that has a long way to go before it figures out the secrets of the Universe

In typical Jeff fashion you never actually read what I posted...again. I'm not debating the infinite universe, I'm not debating that the universe doesn't promote life.

Lia said: Because she believes in god that it is only reasonable that the Devil and his fallen Angels exists as well.

And I said thats akin to saying I believe in water, so its only reasonable that the Loch Ness Monster exists.

Meaning that just because one may exist, does not necessarily mean the other exists.

For those who want any given thread to die and cease to exist the best way would be to not respond to any comments made. I never said science is BS, jus look at the fossil record and geological findings and you can see the world is many of millions of years old. For anyone to say otherwise is blind fantasy. Faith in God is a choice, faith in Nessie or Champ is a choice as well (personally I believe in the possibility of all three). Sugarpie I have always read a great many of your writings bout your opinions and agree with most of which you wrote. All I can say is keep giving your opinions. For those who want any thread to die the best way to do it is not to respond to the opinions written by people who responded to any given response.......

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In typical Jeff fashion you never actually read what I posted...again. I'm not debating the infinite universe, I'm not debating that the universe doesn't promote life.

Lia said: Because she believes in god that it is only reasonable that the Devil and his fallen Angels exists as well.

And I said thats akin to saying I believe in water, so its only reasonable that the Loch Ness Monster exists.

Meaning that just because one may exist, does not necessarily mean the other exists.

Who is Jeff? We see evidence of evil influence every day. Is the brain alone capable mass murder? Is the brain alone capable of being a serial rapist? On and on examples of possible evil influence. Why do some do these horrendous acts and others don't? Most people are shocked by what some are capable of. I wouldn't rule out some supernatural influence in a magical Universe that popped out of no where for no reason--I know a double negative haha

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Is the brain alone capable mass murder? Is the brain alone capable of being a serial rapist? On and on examples of possible evil influence. Why do some do these horrendous acts and others don't? Most people are shocked by what some are capable of. I wouldn't rule out some supernatural influence in a magical Universe that popped out of no where for no reason--I know a double negative haha

Yes. Yes. Because some people have a different morale than others or are sick (mental illnesses are a psychological issue not a demonic one). The fact that we don't know the purpose of the Universe and why it's there doesn't mean everything must exists.

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Who is Jeff? We see evidence of evil influence every day. Is the brain alone capable mass murder? Is the brain alone capable of being a serial rapist? On and on examples of possible evil influence. Why do some do these horrendous acts and others don't? Most people are shocked by what some are capable of. I wouldn't rule out some supernatural influence in a magical Universe that popped out of no where for no reason--I know a double negative haha

Again...just because evil people exist, it does not mean they are demons. I never disputed evil existing, I dispute the existence of demons. Further more I dispute the theory that if one exists the other must. Such as if god exists then the devil must.

DIE THREAD DIE.........

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