Discuss how demonic possession and other supernatural things are possible.or not

iam sure this has been brought up but

Science operates on induction. The inductive method entails searching out things in the world and drawing generalized conclusions about those things based on observation. Scientists can only draw conclusions on what they find, not on what they can't find.

Since science, by its very nature, is never capable of proving the non-existence of anything, one can never accurately claim that science has proven God doesn't exist. That's a misuse of the discipline. Such a claim would require omniscience. The only way one can say a thing does not exist is not by using the inductive method, but by using a deductive method, by showing that there's something about the concept itself that is contradictory

having said that iam quite a skeptical person, iam also agnostic. Every religion on earth could and probably is wrong, that still does nothing to disprove the existence of a "god"

President Bartlett has a few questions for you, NC.

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If you're pressed for time, skip ahead to the 2:50-ish mark.

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President Bartlett has a few questions for you, NC.

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If you're pressed for time, skip ahead to the 2:50-ish mark.

One of my favourite scenes from that series.

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You dismiss the Bible, but 2000 years ago it said the Universe had a beginning and a end. These people had no access to the technology we have today. Here is Jesus saying the Sun, moon and Stars would end. He didn't mention that it was a theory either. He didn't say God would do it or when it would happen. Could be billion of years

Jus a thought from the resident insomniac.....

Being it is written that God has no beginning or end, he is the quote unquote, Alpha and the Omega. And that he is an eternal being, so we have no common point of reference with him. So I have read myself that a day with God is like a thousand years for us. So he must not be linear as we are, how does he measure time? This has always perplexed me, I do believe but I don't understand how we are suppose to know. This doesn't affect my faith, I jus wish God would open a kindergarten class for earthbound idiots like me.

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Jus a thought from the resident insomniac.....

Being it is written that God has no beginning or end, he is the quote unquote, Alpha and the Omega. And that he is an eternal being, so we have no common point of reference with him. So I have read myself that a day with God is like a thousand years for us. So he must not be linear as we are, how does he measure time? This has always perplexed me, I do believe but I don't understand how we are suppose to know. This doesn't affect my faith, I jus wish God would open a kindergarten class for earthbound idiots like me.

I think God is outside of any Universe, so God would be out side of Time.Maybe God is in a different realm? Speaking of Time, some think Earth time is Universal but anywhere you go in the Universe Time is different. Time is different when it comes to GPS satellites slower or faster. The same on the Moon. If you could travel at the Speed of Light then no time would pass for you.

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Speaking of Time, some think Earth time is Universal

Nobody who's ever taken a physics class thinks this.

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If you could travel at the Speed of Light then no time would pass for you.

Wrong. You would experience time the same as you do now.

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Nobody who's ever taken a physics class thinks this.

That is why I said "some". Not everybody is as smart as you Eric

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Nobody who's ever taken a physics class thinks this.

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Wrong. You would experience time the same as you do now.

I was reading a book by a Cosmologist who said if you traveled in Space at the speed of light, you would not age. Here on this forum looks like there is a general consensus that the question is irrelevant because no one can travel at the speed of light. Although there are some dissenters that say if you could you would not experience time:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=46569.0

If you travel at the speed of light you either rupture the space/time continuum or travel really far, really fast. But you still age, if you fly around at the speed of light for one earthly year, you'll age one earthly year. From everything I've ever heard about the subject.

Edit: Changed speed of sound to speed of light, courtesy of EL xD

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If you travel at the speed of sound you either rupture the space/time continuum or travel really far, really fast. But you still age, if you fly around at the speed of light for one earthly year, you'll age one earthly year. From everything I've ever heard about the subject.

People in the military fly around in excess of the speed of sound all the time.


Time is all relative to the observer.

If you get on a spaceship that travels at 99% of the speed of light (ignoring acceleration and deceleration times), travel from Earth to the Alpha Centauri solar system and back (4.4ish light years away), time on board the spaceship "feels" normal to you. Things outside the spaceship traveling at that speed, however, all seem like they're going very slowly. At 99% of the speed of light time slows down relative to Earth by a factor of about seven. At that speed, if one were to travel to Alpha Centauri it'll take six months or so for the person on the spaceship, but back on Earth it'll seem like it took 4.4 years for that spaceship to get there. Both people, the ones on the spaceship and the ones back on Earth, feel that time is moving normally for them. So a round trip to Alpha Centauri at .99c will take about a year for the traveler, but when he or she returns to Earth everyone back at home will have aged 9 years.

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You can't really talk about anything with mass traveling THE speed of light, because as speed increases for an object with mass that mass also increases, and its length decreases, so if you are traveling the speed of light and have mass you'll have infinite mass in a spaceship of zero length. It's like dividing by zero; you just can't realistically do it. I guess for the observer on Earth it would look like time had stopped on the spaceship traveling at c, and for people in the ship it will look like time has stopped for people on the outside of the ship, even though both groups--those inside the ship and outside the ship--will each experience their own time as moving normally.

Here's another video on time dilation:

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People in the military fly around in excess of the speed of sound all the time.


Time is all relative to the observer.

If you get on a spaceship that travels at 99% of the speed of light (ignoring acceleration and deceleration times), travel from Earth to the Alpha Centauri solar system and back (4.4ish light years away), time on board the spaceship "feels" normal to you. Things outside the spaceship traveling at that speed, however, all seem like they're going very slowly. At 99% of the speed of light time slows down relative to Earth by a factor of about seven. At that speed, if one were to travel to Alpha Centauri it'll take six months or so for the person on the spaceship, but back on Earth it'll seem like it took 4.4 years for that spaceship to get there. Both people, the ones on the spaceship and the ones back on Earth, feel that time is moving normally for them. So a round trip to Alpha Centauri at .99c will take about a year for the traveler, but when he or she returns to Earth everyone back at home will have aged 9 years.

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You can't really talk about anything with mass traveling THE speed of light, because as speed increases for an object with mass that mass also increases, and its length decreases, so if you are traveling the speed of light and have mass you'll have infinite mass in a spaceship of zero length. It's like dividing by zero; you just can't realistically do it. I guess for the observer on Earth it would look like time had stopped on the spaceship traveling at c, and for people in the ship it will look like time has stopped for people on the outside of the ship, even though both groups--those inside the ship and outside the ship--will each experience their own time as moving normally.

Here's another video on time dilation:

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I realized/figured that shit out, in an admittedly very rudimentary fashion, when I was like 10.

Which pretty much means that 10 year old Bangles is fucking ass kick awesome compared to one or two members in this thread.

Such a vital bolus of enlightenment to carry within the distant subterranean realms of the encephalon all those years...

I watched enough episodes of Scooby Doo to know that when people see ghosts or spirits, it's usually the old man who owns the amusement park trying to scare people off his property.

A bolus of enlightenment ? Hmmmm. Nice. That goes into the notes for class today.

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Such a vital bolus of enlightenment to carry within the distant subterranean realms of the encephalon all those years...

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I watched enough episodes of Scooby Doo to know that when people see ghosts or spirits, it's usually the old man who owns the amusement park trying to scare people off his property.

"Yikes! Run Scoob!!"

On a serious note however; demonic possession, although not publicly admitted, is still recognized by the (Catholic) church. When I visited Vatican City 4 years ago I simply asked when they said "Any questions?" after an extensive tour.

There is still a specialized section that checks if there is indeed a case of demonic possession. They receive word from a local representative of the church that possession is not ruled out and, if the Church deems this necessary, the Vatican will send someone to check. Needless to say that most of the time...it's a hoax. However there are well documented cases of possession and exorcism but all in the vast libraries of the Vatican.

Of course I am critical to these cases, after all this is the same church that founded the Inquisition to have innocent people admit that they were involved with Satan.

Do I believe in possession? I do believe there is more then what we are able to see, to simply say "It does not exist" is about the same as saying that we're alone in the universe.

And now back to WBW's bolus of enlightenment; porn.

On a similar topic:

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/19/creationists_now_losing_their_minds_because_neil_degrasse_tyson_explained_electricity/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

For all our smart people know, we are still primitive. Many 1000s of years away from the last Star Trek type lifestyle and workplace. Probably will be destroyed by an Asteroid before that happens. That is one thing that is against UFO's ever visiting us. Before societies get that advanced an asteroid comes along and annihilates them. Luck for us that we have stronger gravity planets like Jupiter to attract a good many Asteroids away from us. Soon our luck will run out. Some have come pretty close lately

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For all our smart people know, we are still primitive. Many 1000s of years away from the last Star Trek type lifestyle and workplace. Probably will be destroyed by an Asteroid before that happens. That is one thing that is against UFO's ever visiting us. Before societies get that advanced an asteroid comes along and annihilates them. Luck for us that we have stronger gravity planets like Jupiter to attract a good many Asteroids away from us. Soon our luck will run out. Some have come pretty close lately

This is a far cry from your "This '2000' year old book foretold everything and is the be-all-end-all of information" that you've been spouting so far.

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For all our smart people know, we are still primitive. Many 1000s of years away from the last Star Trek type lifestyle and workplace. Probably will be destroyed by an Asteroid before that happens. That is one thing that is against UFO's ever visiting us. Before societies get that advanced an asteroid comes along and annihilates them. Luck for us that we have stronger gravity planets like Jupiter to attract a good many Asteroids away from us. Soon our luck will run out. Some have come pretty close lately