No Spam In The Champagne Room - AKA Davey made me do it.

Thanks Sugar, that's cute. On my day off I have found myself in the front yard wasting California's precious water by the hundreds of gallons on a single rose bush...waiting for the Fed Ex truck biding time..... !! K. says I have super ultra elevated hormone levels lately.

Duh.

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Good things come to those who wait.....

Not sure how a lesbian could work a package joke in there.

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Not sure how a lesbian could work a package joke in there.

Package Box. There ya go.

Play with her box, open her box, etc.

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I can't believe she's only 27!

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Fed Ex delivery person at my shop is am overweight black dude in his 40's. Not really hot unless you're a Kardashian.

I know why Honda died:

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I've noticed a lot of Avril bashing going on today on the internet. The general consensus seem to be that this new song is over the line in terms of being just a straight cheese-pop garbage song. I would venture to say every single song she's ever made is a total shit-fest of garbage music designed for mass appeal of teeny-boppers and stupid adults. I mean, was sk8ter boy really that in depth and meaningful? It's not just her either. What's the line separating this song from pretty much any thing Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, or any other crap-pop star has done? People are all shocked that Avril Lavigne made a stupid ass song? Shit she's been doing nothing but making stupid ass songs for years. How is it that everyone just noticed this now?

Also, isn't she married to Nickleback?

All popular music is garbage, just mass produced to appeal to the lowest common denominator. There is no meaning, no soul, and no thought in any of it. None of them have any integrity about what they put out. Hell just last week I was subjected to a "song" which the entire instrumental backing was a fucking slide-whistle.

De gustibus non est disputandum

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Understandable but why is this song being so universally hated? I mean, is this really that different from any of her other stuff?

Because it's appeal--and this appears to be intentional--is to a very small minority of music listeners, and therefore everyone who is not in that minority and wants to feel superior to those people feels the need to say how awful it is.

It's also probably due, in some part, to these types of songs being made strictly for the money rather than the artistic merit (which is hard to know, actually), and people find an additional distaste in that "selling out."

Why does music all music have to meaning, soul, and taste? Why can't it just be something that puts a smile on your face today, and is forgotten about tomorrow? Do you think when cavemen first pounded drums that they thought, "this song is about the trials and tribulations of hunting mastodons, and is in memory of Grog, may he rest in peace" No...they fucking liked he sound of it, and gave them something to do other than draw figures on cave walls.

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Because it's appeal--and this appears to be intentional--is to a very small minority of music listeners, and therefore everyone who is not in that minority and wants to feel superior to those people feels the need to say how awful it is.

It's also probably due, in some part, to these types of songs being made strictly for the money rather than the artistic merit (which is hard to know, actually), and people find an additional distaste in that "selling out."

So which is it? Does it appeal to the minority? Thus not really generating any major income. Or is it a sell out song that was meant to appeal to a mass audience and make loads of cash but totally backfired?

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Why does music all music have to meaning, soul, and taste? Why can't it just be something that puts a smile on your face today, and is forgotten about tomorrow?

Music doesn't have to. Lots of people like stupid songs. There's nothing wrong with fun music either. I will say that I really can't appreciate most popular music because, like Kanzen said, it relates to the lowest common denominator and I feel like the music industry thinks I'm an idiot every time I hear a lot of that stuff. I've been out of the popular music loop since I was a kid and first started buying cassettes. I understand that a lot of what I listen to won't be enjoyed by the general population. Just understand like I can't really enjoy bubblegum pop music.

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Why does music all music have to meaning, soul, and taste?

Because it is indicators of integrity on the musicians part and lasting power, it shouldn't be about making as money as possible for as little work and inspiration as possible. There is nothing wrong with a catchy beat, but when it lacks any intelligence it is a waste of time and further encourages the cycle of garbage in and garbage out, every time just lowering the bar further.

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Why can't it just be something that puts a smile on your face today, and is forgotten about tomorrow?

Watering down something is still watering down and lowering the bar for what is considered music. The continued lowering of artistic merit is slowing down culture and in fact retarding our progress in culture. The more this goes on the more of a mono-culture we become and it stifles outside and alternative forms of culture. Instead of fostering imagination, talent, and exertion we are just saying "yeah this is acceptable and this what we should have." Instead of coming up with something new they just repeat the patterns of past success. People entering the field will see that it is the only lucrative way to exist and it will become the norm.

We already have an example of how it happened so fast in the gaming industry. Where video games started off as a challenge to explore, learn tactics, become better at game mechanics. Now it has boiled down to the massive junkers of today where you are lead by the hand from set point to set point, no freedom, no exploration, no mechanic mastery and now you have $60 games that have a solo campaign of a few hours.

There is nothing wrong with a dumb song coming out every once and while but when it becomes the norm and it is repeated on en masse we are killing culture.

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Do you think when cavemen first pounded drums that they thought, "this song is about the trials and tribulations of hunting mastodons, and is in memory of Grog, may he rest in peace"

Most likely they did, just as those paintings on the walls were there to describe and convey a message to future generations. They didn't just do it because it looked pretty and it made them happy. It all began as a part of a survival mechanism to share information. Music can be used to alter mood and behavior of people but also to convey a message. A lot of scholars believe it all started with rituals and ceremonies; and those aren't going to be frivolous feel good bullshits.

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No...they fucking liked he sound of it, and gave them something to do other than draw figures on cave walls.

Ehhhh, wrong. Prehistoric races weren't bored and trying to kill time. There was always work and survival on the line very unlike today. They couldn't go out to a grocery store and pick up a frozen TV dinner. You're reasoning that they had lifestyles like ours, but they didn't. They spent their time hunting, defending against predators, gathering resources and food, and surviving the day. They just didn't sit there, slack jawed staring at the wall. Grog wasn't singing about how like's big butts and how Grog cannot lie.

If you were dumped into the wilderness with predators around, with a knife and nothing else are you going to sit there and sing? No, you are going to try and survive the night. Although knowing you, you probably would hum about big booties.

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I will say that I really can't appreciate most popular music because, like Kanzen said, it relates to the lowest common denominator...

Its fine if you can't appreciate it, but to call it music for the lowest common denominator isn't fair. I don't like screamo heavy metal music, and if I said it was because I think only uneducated, hillbilly neo nazi wannabes listen to it, that wouldn't be fair.

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Its fine if you can't appreciate it, but to call it music for the lowest common denominator isn't fair.

But it is, it is made to be the least offensive, require the least amount of thought, and aimed for the broadest audience possible.

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I don't like screamo heavy metal music, and if I said it was because I think only uneducated, hillbilly neo nazi wannabes listen to it, that wouldn't be fair.

Except a lot of heavy metal isn't aimed at that crowd, that is a small subset of heavy metal and it isn't a common trait of the rest of them. Where as popular music does share the common trait of being the least offensive as possible, with the lowest requirements from the listeners, to reach the broadest audience.

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Because it is indicators of integrity on the musicians part and lasting power, it shouldn't be about making as money as possible for as little work and inspiration as possible. There is nothing wrong with a catchy beat, but when it lacks any intelligence it is a waste of time and further encourages the cycle of garbage in and garbage out, every time just lowering the bar further.

Who says a musician has to have lasting power, and who say the goal of every musician is to make as much money as possible? So are you saying that if you make crappy pop music but aren't successful that you're less worthwhile than someone who also make crappy music but is successful? Why is classical music that people used to waltz to any better or different than techno pop music that people dance to today?

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Watering down something is still watering down and lowering the bar for what is considered music. The continued lowering of artistic merit is slowing down culture and in fact retarding our progress in culture. The more this goes on the more of a mono-culture we become and it stifles outside and alternative forms of culture. Instead of fostering imagination, talent, and exertion we are just saying "yeah this is acceptable and this what we should have." Instead of coming up with something new they just repeat the patterns of past success. People entering the field will see that it is the only lucrative way to exist and it will become the norm.

Watering down what is considered music? Please...could you be more arrogant? So you're the final say on whats considered music...give me a break. And slowing down culture? Culture is culture...it is what it is. Its what people want. If people want bubblegum pop music, then thats what they want. Sometimes they want a silly Avril song, some times they want Justin Beiber, sometimes they want the Beatles, and sometimes they even want a anti commercialism band like Nirvana. All of these bands I just mentioned have been at the peek of culture and they are all very different...some are considered the best that music has to offer in recent history, others are not that critically acclaimed. My point is, people want what people want. there is ALWAYS something different to chose from, people just pick what they like.

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There is nothing wrong with a dumb song coming out every once and while but when it becomes the norm and it is repeated on en masse we are killing culture.

Its not the norm, its far from the norm. And who's to say its dumb if people either a) relate to it. b) get some level of enjoyment out of it. One of the most popular songs right now is Happy by Pharrell Williams. Is it musical genius?..probably not. Does it have the smartest lyrics in the world?...no. But its enjoyable, it puts a smile on my face and makes me wanna dance. I'm not saying that ALL music should be dance music, but ALL music should strike some sort emotion...and Happy does that in strides.

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Originally posted by Kanzen

Most likely they did, just as those paintings on the walls were there to describe and convey a message to future generations. They didn't just do it because it looked pretty and it made them happy. It all began as a part of a survival mechanism to share information. Music can be used to alter mood and behavior of people but also to convey a message. A lot of scholars believe it all started with rituals and ceremonies; and those aren't going to be frivolous feel good bullshits.

Ehhhh, wrong. Prehistoric races weren't bored and trying to kill time. There was always work and survival on the line very unlike today. They couldn't go out to a grocery store and pick up a frozen TV dinner. You're reasoning that they had lifestyles like ours, but they didn't. They spent their time hunting, defending against predators, gathering resources and food, and surviving the day. They just didn't sit there, slack jawed staring at the wall. Grog wasn't singing about how like's big butts and how Grog cannot lie.

If you were dumped into the wilderness with predators around, with a knife and nothing else are you going to sit there and sing? No, you are going to try and survive the night. Although knowing you, you probably would hum about big booties.

Don't tell me I'm wrong, you weren't there, you didn't live in prehistoric times. Music became part of ceremonies and rituals, but it sure as hell didn't start with them...thats impossible. So you think they were sitting around one day, doing their ritual, and someone said...geee...we need something to go with this ceremony...I wonder what we can come up with? And another caveman said, hmmm...let me try banging this stick on these piece of wood...maybe thats whats missing. Bullshit. The first caveman to bang a stick on a piece of wood did it because he liked the sound of it. The first caveman to wrap and stretch a hide over a hollowed out log did it because he wanted to improve on the sound of a stick on solid wood. I have no doubt that organized "songs" or rhythmic drums played in a similar way were part of ceremonies, but to say that music originated from rituals and ceremonies is preposterous.