Controversial Opinions You Have..

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Originally posted by F1098

Comments like this make me wonder what our image in society really is ? We run corporations, we die for our country, we contribute to our society, yet well meaning but rediculous caveats like this make me wonder if we aren't regarded as aliens in our own land.

It wasn't a caveat. It was a fact. Until you have actually been married, you can't know what it is like. There is a change when you get married no matter how long you were together before. You can say you know about it, but you never will until you have been there. It is the same as my 15 year old son who thinks all kinds of things about marriage, and when I try to tell him about what it really is he just acts like I don't understand. As long as your eyes are open when you go in, go for it.

But I say that as a supporter of any adult marrying anyone they want (aside from their parent/sibling, that's just a little too weird for even me).

And I will remind my gay friends who have been married and divorced, that they don't know what they are talking about.

Problem with your position is that it relies on stereotypes, and not real people.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

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It wasn't a caveat. It was a fact. Until you have actually been married, you can't know what it is like. There is a change when you get married no matter how long you were together before. You can say you know about it, but you never will until you have been there. It is the same as my 15 year old son who thinks all kinds of things about marriage, and when I try to tell him about what it really is he just acts like I don't understand. As long as your eyes are open when you go in, go for it.

But I say that as a supporter of any adult marrying anyone they want (aside from their parent/sibling, that's just a little too weird for even me).

I said those who have never been married.

I know a lesbian couple where one was married before but the other has been a lesbian and unmarried her entire life. The one who was married has argued with the other one about this very thing. Note that these two have been together since I have known them, about 10 years or so. The one who has been married comments a lot about how those who have never been married won't understand and are rushing into this like 12 year old girls dreaming about it being perfect.

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Originally posted by F1098

To the point of being satisfied with Civil Union status as opposed to full Marriage, the history of our country shows that that this
is foolish.

Remember how post civil war USA lived with "seperate but equal" for nearly a hundred years. This colossal fallicy was the basis of the civil rights legislation in the 60's.


Why repeat such bad history ? Don't we ever learn ?

Yea, but it is what it is right? A marriage (as is clearly defined) is between a man and a woman. Its black and white. Not grey. You act like things are that different than the 60's. They aren't. Black men are still referred to as Black men, or African American (add Colored, Negros, Niggas and [blacklisted]s since your brought up the '60's.) Even though we are all humans, we are all broken down into sub-sectors. While I am a man, I will always be referred to as a White or Caucasian on a form. A black man will always be a black man - not just a man.

These titles are never going to cease. They will always be a focal point in our society. The same holds true for anything else. A couple (man and woman) is simply called a couple. The reason is because a couple in a relationship has been a man and a woman for thousands of years. So when a couple that is slightly different enters into the foray, they have to be labeled as a gay couple, a lesbian couple, an interracial couple. This is simply our society. It will never change.

You bring up "separate but equal." No one is saying that gays and lesbians have to live in their own areas. No one is saying they have to attend separate schools, only hold certain types of jobs, or be a lesser of any sort than that of their heterosexual counterparts. Hell, I am not even saying that they should not be entitled to the same benefits of that of a heterosexual couple. The only difference is a title - which they already hold - GAY. All of this brings me back to my original point from my first response on this thread. Gay marriage can be Gay marriage. It cannot, however, simply be "marriage."

Thousands of years is about to change. The wheels are in motion and your position will be on the wrong side of history. Just like slavery was for "thousands of years".

Titles are important and you are in favor of creating two classes of legal partnership. They must be one. Secondary status...as shown by "seperate but equal" has shown, are not at all equal.

Would a Supreme Court ruling ( safe speculation) at some point in the future change your mind ?

I agree that people have this underlying need to label and categorize things, and that's fine. However, they only have that need when something is new and/or different. Once said "new thing" is given a label, it's more or less accepted and refered to that way from that point in time on. So change the definition of marriage, allow gays to get married, and our label simply becomes "married". If individuals still want to refer to us as a gay or lesbian married couple, so be it. It isn't the goverent that creates labels for it's people, it's the people themselves.

All we're asking for is the same rights and freedoms that every straight person in America (this this case) already has...how society wants to label us after the fact is out of our control.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

All we're asking for is the same rights and freedoms that every straight person in America (this this case) already has

Of course there are those who argue that you already have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex anyway.

New controversial topic

It is a fact that FoxNews is just as unbiased as any other news outlet in reporting the news.

Okay if you live in the U.S. and not in a state where gay marriage is legal, the answer seems pretty simple to me, move to a different state. Problem solved right? same with polygamy...

An estimation of about 1.6% of the U.S. population is homosexual (2010 census),so 98.4 percent rights are to be overlooked?

Once again forcing a law on the majority to benefit a certain group is not a democracy and honestly only make you equal on paper. Take a look at the problems we have with minorities and women's rights in the workplace are they really being treated equally? No they aren't and why? Because the majority that runs this country deems it so. Yes you can sue a company for your rights, but who do you honestly think is going to win, you with your one lawyer or them with a panel of lawyers and let's not forget the "donations" made to judges" and lawmakers charities". The rich and powerful will always be so and that will never change no matter what face you put on it.

And Fox news is a far right unbiased as NBC is as far left.

Gay marriage and the media...why do I always end up here? I'm gonna take a time out I think.

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Originally posted by firereign

And Fox news is a far right unbiased as NBC is as far left.

Which would make them just as unbiased as the rest of the media.

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Originally posted by F1098

They are knocking on my door a few times every month pimping their philosophy. They are called "evangelicals" which is a code for "my religion is better than whatver you believe". Sickening.

Yes, but are they INSISTING that you become a Christian?

That was my point to whoever was originally complaining that the Christian religion is being shoved down their throats all the time. No one has ever forced me to go to church or insisted that I be Christian.

I actually find it amusing when the religious door knockers show up. I use to have some fun with them in my younger days. Now I pretty much just say no thanks and shut the door. They always go away, and are usually very polite. Never has one insisted that I listen.

Yes, they insist. The bolder ones ask if I have jesus as my personal savior and I laugh. It amuses me ( sort of ). Where oh where do they think I am even a remote possibility. I guess they are looking for the opportunity to challenge my beliefs which is funny in itself.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

Any two or more people who wish to enter into a contract should be able to and all should have the appropriate rights. This isn't rocket science.

So the 6 wives all collect Social Security benefits when their husband dies?

That might create a few problems.

Unless (I'm guessing you would prefer also), you get rid of Social Security spousal benefits, and all of the other marriage related government benefits.

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Originally posted by F1098

Yes, they insist. The bolder ones ask if I have jesus as my personal savior and I laugh. It amuses me ( sort of ). Where oh where do they think I am even a remote possibility. I guess they are looking for the opportunity to challenge my beliefs which is funny in itself.

Come on ... that's what we call insisting?

Just shut the f'n door, they'll go away.

It is my opinion that if I want your opinion I'll give it to you

So, what is "insistence", if not coming onto your property to harrass you with their religion. (No, they did not point a gun at my head, but my standard of harrassment is somewhat lower than that.)

Actually, activists of any type are a pain in the neck. Doesn't matter if they are saving baby seals or telling me that jesus saves. They are all really rude and frankly the christians are the worst. At least the Greenpeace people don't have the nerve to speculate on my destiny.

This normally mild mannered woman is thinking pepper spray for religious pimps. A slammed door ( passive approach) for all others.

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Originally posted by hornithologist

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Come on ... that's what we call insisting?

Just shut the f'n door, they'll go away.

Religious pimps..HAH..I point a 357 mag at their head and ask them if they're ready to meet Jesus.

So far, there hasn't been any takers.

Careful there Mr. Eastwood, I think that might be illegal in some locales.



Fact:

https://twitter.com/#!/neiltyson/status/89350230868373504 "The US military spends as much in 23 days as NASA spends in a year - and that's when we're not fighting a war."

Controversial Opinion:

That above statistic should be reversed. (I'd also accept the combined 23 days of National Institutes of Health spending + 23 days of NASA spending being equal to what the military spends in a year.)