"Sexual assault is a bunch of hooey"....George Will

This is simply remarkable:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/09/george-will-sexual-assault-colleges_n_5473357.html.

Damn. I thought I heard about every stupid thing someone could say, but this takes the cake... 'Coveted status'? 'Privileges'? Holy shit!

What the fuck is an old white privileged male doing talking about rape and political correctness anyway? Could there be someone less qualified to talk about this subject? The level of ignorance on his behalf is absolutely mind numbing.




PS - Click on the title to edit it.

Title fixed. Syd

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Originally posted by George Will

Now the Obama administration is riding to the rescue of “sexual assault” victims.

I...I don't even. I mean, just placing the term "sexual assault" in quotations as a means to imply that it's not a real thing is vile, but then he surrounds it with those other words and..wut? This guy is supposed to be a thought leader on the right. Ugh.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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I...I don't even. I mean, just placing the term "sexual assault" in quotations as a means to imply that it's not a real thing is vile, but then he surrounds it with those other words and..wut? This guy is supposed to be a thought leader on the right. Ugh.

also "trigger warnings" The man is a disgusting pig.

One of the worst things I've ever heard. Every woman who sees him should kick him in the dick.

I would give George quadruple awesomes for the most remarkably stupid thing said in the first half of this year if I could.

"....hooey" . Awesome concept for sexual assault

This is particularly vile but isn't insanity a hallmark of the extreme right in the States? Free speech extends to the mad; it concerns me more that people listen to such "leaders".

Forget what he said about sexual assault. Anybody who uses the term "hooey" should not be taken seriously in the slightest.

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

One of the worst things I've ever heard. Every woman who sees him should kick him in the dick.

U mean kick him in the dick Cheney

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

What the fuck is an old white privileged male doing talking about rape and political correctness anyway? Could there be someone less qualified to talk about this subject? The level of ignorance on his behalf is absolutely mind numbing.

So just because his opinion is ...not very correct, because he's a man he's not allowed to talk about sexual assault? Then who is? How can you seek to end the rape culture and victim shaming and all that, and not allow men to discuss the issue?

It's an issue that involves men as well as women. If it's to end, then men need to be included in the discussion and society needs to develop beyond such vile biases. But because he's an "old white privileged male," he's not allowed to discuss it? He's a public figure- people listen to him. He's exactly who should be discussing it (even though he is wrong.) There should be a dialogue about this, about how he is wrong. About how others are right. Surprisingly, men--even "old white privileged" men--are a large part of society, politics, and law. For society to move beyond opinions such as this, there needs to be dialogue and education. Nothing will change if you exclude the people you're trying to change from being educated.

Why are you excluding men from the debate about how men need to change?

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Originally posted by Bangledesh

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So just because his opinion is ...not very correct, because he's a man he's not allowed to talk about sexual assault? Then who is? How can you seek to end the rape culture and victim shaming and all that, and not allow men to discuss the issue?

It's an issue that involves men as well as women. If it's to end, then men need to be included in the discussion and society needs to develop beyond such vile biases. But because he's an "old white privileged male," he's not allowed to discuss it? He's a public figure- people listen to him. He's exactly who should be discussing it (even though he is wrong.) There should be a dialogue about this, about how he is wrong. About how others are right. Surprisingly, men--even "old white privileged" men--are a large part of society, politics, and law. For society to move beyond opinions such as this, there needs to be dialogue and education. Nothing will change if you exclude the people you're trying to change from being educated.

Why are you excluding men from the debate about how men need to change?

Yeah...when you are uneducated yet highly opinionated on a topic that doesn't involve you, you really should just STFU about it. I'm not saying that men shouldn't be part of the conversation, I never said that. I said this man, who comes from a privileged background, who is older and out of touch, is white, and has no idea what he is talking about shouldn't be talking about college rape.

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Originally posted by Bangles

He's a public figure- people listen to him. He's exactly who should be discussing it (even though he is wrong.)

Are you serious? Even if he's wrong? Really? Maybe we should encourage the neo nazi's to talk about how the holocaust wasn't real...because we need their opinions too. Give me a break. He's wrong, and everyone knows it, there is zero reason for him to be included in a conversation that he clearly knows nothing about. All his input does is misinform people about what is really happening and creates debate where there should be none.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Yeah...when you are uneducated yet highly opinionated on a topic that doesn't involve you, you really should just STFU about it. I'm not saying that men shouldn't be part of the conversation, I never said that. I said this man, who comes from a privileged background, who is older and out of touch, is white, and has no idea what he is talking about shouldn't be talking about college rape.

So a highly privileged white males don't go to college? Conservatives don't go to college? Men don't go to college? Because a woman in Canada thinks he doesn't know something, he's not allowed to share his ideas? And have people recognize that his ideas are wrong? How can you be allowed to speak on topics that happen in America, since you're Canadian? If he's not allowed to speak on college rape, how are you allowed to speak on what privileged white males can speak about? Privileged white males are college chancellors, serve on boards of regents, they sign large checks to alma maters. People, including privileged white males need to hear that other privileged white males are wrong about things. They need to be educated, as well.

To exclude people simply because they don't agree with you is a fundamental tactic of extremism. You are trying to forcefully silence opinions that are different than yours simply because you don't want to hear them.
"He can't speak on this, because he is wrong."
"That woman must be stoned to death, because she is wrong."

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Are you serious? Even if he's wrong? Really? Maybe we should encourage the neo nazi's to talk about how the holocaust wasn't real...because we need their opinions too. Give me a break. He's wrong, and everyone knows it, there is zero reason for him to be included in a conversation that he clearly knows nothing about. All his input does is misinform people about what is really happening and creates debate where there should be none.

I am serious. Having Neo-Nazis espouse their opinions helps people understand that the Neo-Nazis are wrong.

Not everyone is as supremely and unerringly educated as you obviously are, and they need to see that they disagree with certain opinions and agree with others. And the only way to do that, is to expose them to those opinions.

Your idea of a debate and conversation and education is a group of people sitting around, all agreeing on how right they are about an issue? How does that lead to societal change and improved cultural education? If the only people who are allowed to discuss an opinion are the ones who agree with each other, say... Neo-Nazis, then the only "debate" is about how extremely they should hold their opinions.

Bangle is right on this one. The best tactic with those guys isn't to silence them but to make them understand how wrong they are (or at least make others understand how they are wrong in the process).

I just don't see how or why someone would want to exclude the people who are on the wrong side of an opinion from debating it. They're exactly the ones that need to be included and educated and have their erroneous opinions tested and challenged and disproved. So that they can learn why they were wrong and show others that they were wrong. So they can be on the correct side. So they can be changed. You can't change anything if you don't let people be changed, SP.

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Originally posted by Bangledesh

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Your idea of a debate and conversation and education is a group of people sitting around, all agreeing on how right they are about an issue? How does that lead to societal change and improved cultural education? If the only people who are allowed to discuss an opinion are the ones who agree with each other, say... Neo-Nazis, then the only "debate" is about how extremely they should hold their opinions.

Because there is NO debate. College rapes are happening, the holocaust happened. Why do we need to debate something that is fact? It serves no purpose other to misinform people. I don't want a bunch of people sitting around debating whether something exists or not when we clearly know it does. I want a bunch of people sitting around debating how to fix the problem. The debate should centre on what to do about college rape, not whether or not its happening. This is why he shouldn't be allowed to talk about, because he is ignorant on the subject and his position in life made him that way. He's never been a victim, he probably doesn't know a victim, and he doesn't want to know one. He takes no effort in actually learning the truth, but uses his position to tell lies and mis-inform the people.

Do you guys honestly believe that his opinion would be changed with some gold old fashioned debate? The statistics on college rape aren't exactly hard to find. For god sake he's a journalist...go to a college and talk to 20 students and I guarantee you will find someone who has been raped or knows someone who was raped. He choses to be misinformed and thats how he'll stay.

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Because there is NO debate. College rapes are happening, the holocaust happened. Why do we need to debate something that is fact?

Because there are still people out there thinking these aren't facts. And if you silence this, they will continue to do so.
Especially with the rape issue because there are tons of people thinking either rape isn't something serious or thinking a lot of actions aren't really assault while they really are. And they don't need that guy to think that.
I don't care about that guy (he knows what he's doing. He wouldn't be where he is if he was that dumb), but if this guy is proven wrong (even if he, personally, doesn't change), others might change their mind.

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I don't want a bunch of people sitting around debating whether something exists or not when we clearly know it does. I want a bunch of people sitting around debating how to fix the problem.

With your method, you would have half people thinking of a solution and half thinking it's bullshit because they are still misinformed.
Now, if you'd take the time to make them understand the hard facts, you would indeed loose time discussing it but you would end up with way more people thinking about a solution and way less controversy.

So then use him as a tool to educate other people.
Do you think Bill Nye thought he'd change Ken Ham through debate?
He sought to show people how wrong Ham's views were. To get people to change.

He didn't say "Ken Ham is stupid and he can no longer say anything about anything ever. Because I say so, and I am S-M-R-T!" He showed the world, the masses, the people in flux, and those who had questions, which side was more reasonable and which side made more sense. Bill Nye went up against an extremist and debated him, not for the extremist's own mind. But for the minds of those that follow him. Because they need to be exposed to more than just the extreme of one side.

You keep pretending to be a champion for change, but refusing to allow change to happen. Instead choosing to scream at yourself about how right you are about everything. Which is exactly what the foundation of the other side is doing.