Pic Mods

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Originally posted by Honda_X

We've always made it fairly clear, that if you're uploading photos that you took yourself, that you say that in the description when you upload them. There is an optional description box...even when you upload using a zip file. It lets the mods know you took them yourself, and they will be uploaded. It's very easy to get upset, but like others have said, it's very difficult sometimes to tell the difference between a professional photograph and an amateur with an amazing camera, or abnormally hot wife(gf). Sometimes that's what happens, a picture LOOKS professional, but is actually amateur..people do make mistakes. If you do what I mentioned there, and make it clear you took the photos..then it's just easier for us as moderators.

Youre spot on there dude..
people seem to forget to use that option alot..

@ brownell - indeed the globals that delete alot of pics are usually the ones working the comment queue or the delete queue, I know I delete alot of reposts/pro pics from the comment queue....simply cause people post comments stating the fact.

and yeah...screwy will burn you so all the fools trying to hide the URL's etc.....or the ones fucking trying to 'clone' walls etc to hide the watermark...dont bother, that old man has the eyes of a hawk

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Originally posted by Honda_X

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How could that possibly work?

Elaborate please.

A pic would go into the queue. Before it even reaches a pic mod, the pic has to be approved by the members.

So it starts in the queue for regular users (that have registered an account. Put a rank level on it if you like).

The pic needs ten "points" to actually reach the mod queue where the pros take a look at it. Each time it gets a "rejection" vote from one of the members, it needs five approvals to make up for it. If the pic is judged 50 times and doesn't meet the threshold, it's rejected.

In essence the pic needs:

10 approvals and no rejections

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10 approvals plus 5 approvals for each rejection it got.

And it has to meet one of these two thresholds before it gets viewed and judged 50 times.

Or lower the threshold and lower the requirement to hit the mod queue.

But anything that allows the general membership to weed out dupes is a God-send to you guys. We're a resource - just like for tagging. Use it.

^^ I could go with something like that, however I have trouble believing that the 10,000 or so pics uploaded weekly would each get 10 or more votes. Ultimately, I think we'd end up with the same situation we have now, except that members would be complaining that their pics were rejected in error, but not because the mods were too tough, but because "some jerk voted to reject a picture of my GF that I took myself" It already happens now with members complaining that some members intentionally vote low for malicious reasons.

I do like the concept, but as I said, 10 approvals is probably expecting too much, and a single rejection vote carries too much weight IMO. I think it would be more realistic to set an approval/rejection ratio, and then let those pictures that qualify go into the regular queue.

Another issue is that now we'd have made the pics available for any member, which partially defeats the incentive to purchase a sponsor membership, and it would make the pics available without the WBW logo, which is part of the advertising. (We can't watermark them first because then our watermark would end up on copyrighted pics and create a legal issue) Also, I wonder how many people are going to go back and vote on a pic after they've already "voted" on it during the approval process, and how many gallery pics are going to be mis-identified as "reposts" because someone can't remember if they saw it in the gallery, or in the "pre-queue"? I'd lean more toward only using sponsor members for the initial approval.

Again, it's not a bad idea, and with a little tweaking it might be viable. In any event, I still think we'd have the problem with too many indiscriminate uploaders flooding the queue. There needs to be something to discourage that. Whether it's done by mods, or by members during the initial approval, I think the WBW database should keep track of a members approval/rejection ratio, and block them from uploading anymore when it reaches a certain percentage.

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Originally posted by brownell

^^ I could go with something like that, however I have trouble believing that the 10,000 or so pics uploaded weekly would each get 10 or more votes.

I do too, just based on what you guys say about the tag system.

But here's the thing... So what? Seriously. Say it only takes 1000 pics out of the queue that day.

That's still helping - especially over the course of time. Do that for a year and it's 365000 dupes you guys didn't have to deal with.

If it's only 100 a day, that's 36,500 you didn't have to deal with.

Perhaps raising the point value of marking the pics correctly would help. Perhaps other incentives could be used to entice people to be more focused.

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Originally posted by brownell

Ultimately, I think we'd end up with the same situation we have now, except that members would be complaining that their pics were rejected in error, but not because the mods were too tough, but because "some jerk voted to reject a picture of my GF that I took myself" It already happens now with members complaining that some members intentionally vote low for malicious reasons.

True enough. Then again... They bitch anyway. :shrug:

I dunno. If we limited it to high-ranking members (demi-gods) I could see "stick it" being a reasonable response.

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Originally posted by brownell

I do like the concept, but as I said, 10 approvals is probably expecting too much, and a single rejection vote carries too much weight IMO. I think it would be more realistic to set an approval/rejection ratio, and then let those pictures that qualify go into the regular queue.

My concern would be that if I see a girl that I know is a dupe (and I see a lot of them in the "Babes Last Week" area) I may recognize her, but I'm willing to bet five of my peers won't have ever seen that pic before in their lives.

The ratio however, can and should be tweaked over trial and error. I agree that a sound ratio is probably not going to be 10 to 1. I don't know what a sound ratio would be. It's something that we'd have to watch and adjust over time to get the best results based on what human nature is.

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Originally posted by brownell

Another issue is that now we'd have made the pics available for any member, which partially defeats the incentive to purchase a sponsor membership, and it would make the pics available without the WBW logo, which is part of the advertising.

A fair point. I can answer the first part in that if they are demi-gods or sponsor members, they earned the right to the pics anyway; sort of a trade-off for helping out. Like even a non-sponsor demi-god who is also helping with the pic queue probably merits seeing the pics.

The advertising thing you're right about. That would indeed be a major issue. People would be stealing that shit out of the queue and shit. I have no good answer for this and I agree it's a significant issue.

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Originally posted by brownell

Also, I wonder how many people are going to go back and vote on a pic after they've already "voted" on it during the approval process, and how many gallery pics are going to be mis-identified as "reposts" because someone can't remember if they saw it in the gallery, or in the "pre-queue"? I'd lean more toward only using sponsor members for the initial approval.

Well... That too is a good point. They see it in the queue, then they see it on the site, then they remember seeing it but don't remember where and they report it. Yeah, that would be a problem.

Since I've been hunting the "Babes Last Week" area, I've stopped reporting dupes I see other places unless I am positive the pic is a dupe and I could find it if I worked at it. Then again I'm really careful about that shit because I have so few pics I've been able to get approved that it'd be a major bummer to lose one to an error, so I apply this to the crap I report too.

And even I'm not always as sharp as I wish I was. Sometimes I fuck up.

So yeah, that's a good point. I took a long time to say it, but yeah, that's a fair critique and something that would need to be accounted for ahead of time.

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Originally posted by brownell

Again, it's not a bad idea, and with a little tweaking it might be viable. In any event, I still think we'd have the problem with too many indiscriminate uploaders flooding the queue. There needs to be something to discourage that. Whether it's done by mods, or by members during the initial approval, I think the WBW database should keep track of a members approval/rejection ratio, and block them from uploading anymore when it reaches a certain percentage.

That might be a good solution, or even a better solution. It's certainly a lot easier to implement and would directly affect those causing the bog-down.

I think that's a better first step, to be honest. Just lowering the cap for those that fuck it up. I doubt it will solve the entire problem, but I bet it helps. Maybe then we could see where we're at and come up with something more realistic than this grand scheme of mine.

If the queue was "only a little backed up" then the solutions are much more numerous.

Yeah, I'd be a fan of starting off by lowering the upload cap for bad uploaders. That's where I'd start if it were up to me.

Effectively you'd be allowing members to view unassessed material, I can see copyright issues, as well as legal issues, certainly in this country, if someone uploaded under aged material to the queue.

The only part of your reply that I don't get is the first part

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Originally posted by Tarquin

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I do too, just based on what you guys say about the tag system.

But here's the thing... So what? Seriously. Say it only takes 1000 pics out of the queue that day.

That's still helping - especially over the course of time. Do that for a year and it's 365000 dupes you guys didn't have to deal with.

If it's only 100 a day, that's 36,500 you didn't have to deal with.

As I understand it, the pics would require input from at least 10 members before it was either passed on to the regular queue or deleted, so if only 1,000 of 10,000 of the uploads are receiving that much attention, the queue would be growing by 9K every week, right?

In order for something like this reduce the overall queue, somebody, or some group of people are going to have to process more pics per day than the number being uploaded per day. A parallel system were the mods continue to do what they're doing PLUS a member based approval process, but not system where pics are passed from one stage to another (unless the first stage is capable of handling all the uploads without getting backlogged)

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Originally posted by brownell

The only part of your reply that I don't get is the first part

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As I understand it, the pics would require input from at least 10 members before it was either passed on to the regular queue or deleted, so if only 1,000 of 10,000 of the uploads are receiving that much attention, the queue would be growing by 9K every week, right?

I presumed the pic mods would still be able to go in and pick some out that hadn't been cleared by the peanut gallery yet.

If the peanut gallery helps out by rejecting pics, great. If they haven't, the peanut gallery hasn't harmed anything.

I guess I'm seeing it as a pic mod would go in and see two types of pics in the queue: Those that passed the peanut gallery, and those still waiting for approval.

If they run out of pics that have been cleared by the peanut gallery, they can just grab some from the pile and do it the way they always have before.

I don't see a reason they couldn't.

The only issue I would see here is if there were say... 15000 pics that day that had 7 votes each, while 20000 pics were totally untouched. If a pic mod wanted to dig into the pile, we'd naturally prefer that they take the ones not yet reviewed by the peanut gallery - so as not to waste that time and effort and have to review pics that are eventually going to be rejected anyway.

But I really don't see why the pic mods wouldn't be allowed to dig into the queue any more. No, I didn't envision a system where the pic mods had to wait on everyone else to do their jobs. I just envisioned two stacks of pics in the queue for the mods. Those that had passed the peanut gallery, and those that had not been judged yet.

I think I could help by no longer posting pictures of my mom. That will be my contribution.

I think all of us non-mods are spoiled. I bet the mods see so much crap on a regular basis it takes the fun out of looking at boobies. When I run through the rankings, sure I see the occasional repost or tranny or shot of my sister, but what I don't see too often is garbage.

Its not about modding pictures. On some level its about providing a good experience for the pervs who log onto the site. This perv almost always has a good experience. For that I am thankful to all.

I have pictures rejected now and again. I dream of Demigod status and it can be frustrating losing points. But I think I do realize that there will be casualties that ultimately benefit the greater good. As a long time perv, I don't think anything needs changed.

My cent and a half.

@mrdorkbutt: I liked everything you had to say.

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

... I bet the mods see so much crap on a regular basis it takes the fun out of looking at boobies.

Yep, the thrill was gone about 4 years ago.

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Originally posted by britmonkey

Effectively you'd be allowing members to view unassessed material, I can see copyright issues, as well as legal issues, certainly in this country, is someone uploaded under aged material to the queue.

Exactly! Then the mods would still have to approve what the members "approved" either way!

Well some things never change. On the off chance that things had improved I uploaded a few pics. Two were posted.
Sixteen remain in limbo.

Perhaps we should do what was done awhile back and that is no more uploading until the mods catch up. It seemed to work well the last time. Lets do it again Diz

Well, thanks to all who do the work anyway. I cannot help but think they are trying very hard to do only what is best for the site.

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Originally posted by WindyM

Well, thanks to all who do the work anyway. I cannot help but think they are trying very hard to do only what is best for the site.

You are quite right Windy. I certainly don't have the answers. Just bitchin as usual.

In the old days I might have 7-8 pics accepted. And this was in a time of turmoil with servers and bandwidth etc. And this was done day after day. I realize that there are a half a million more members today than there was a few years ago. But it just seemed to be more fun then. A lot of interaction from the uploaders and a feeling of camaraderie exited that isn't here today. Maybe it is that it has grown to big and impersonal.

I was going to suggest to Diz that he move the Car mods to the babe mods. But then I realized that they wouldn't know the difference between a Ford Pinto and a French Pussy. So I just really have no good ideas.

Rob

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Originally posted by Rob3

Perhaps we should do what was done awhile back and that is no more uploading until the mods catch up. It seemed to work well the last time. Lets do it again Diz

I was a Mod the last time this happened and it was definitely nice to have the queue cleared out for a while.

I dont think it is a matter of anyone not working on getting the queue clear, we do the best we can in the time that we have. However pictures get added as fast or faster then they can be moderated.

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Originally posted by King_Daddy

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I was a Mod the last time this happened and it was definitely nice to have the queue cleared out for a while.

I dont think it is a matter of anyone not working on getting the queue clear, we do the best we can in the time that we have. However pictures get added as fast or faster then they can be moderated.

I agree with your statement. It has worked in the past but we need to get to the future.