Pic Mods

This thread pissed me off from the start because you of all people should have some understanding of the situation. I tried to hold my tongue, but now that you've decided to competely disregard and ridiculed the opinion of those who don't necessarily agree with you, I'm going to tell you exactly how I feel about it.

Maybe you just forgot about the pic modding guidelines, but the blurry/low-res criteria isn't something you should have been unfamiliar with. Maybe you argued against it in the office, but I don't remember it, and even if you did, you obviously didn't win the discussion, as it's still in there. You were quick to point out that you think it's "bad moderating" but I just looked at the stats during your time as a pic mod and if it's "bad modding" then you were also a bad mod as your approval/deletion ratio is virtually the same as all the other regular pic mods.

IMO, you're bent out of shape because some of your pics got kicked, but I don't see any reason to think that while you were kicking out 2/3rds of all the pics you moderated, you never made any mistakes or kicked out uploads that the member who uploaded them thought should have been approved.
And, if it isn't about credits, points, or user score, why not just share the pics immediately by simply posting them in the forums, where there is no approval process, and virtually no restriction on pro/blurry/low res pics?

I do have an understanding of the situation, which is why if you read I didn't want this to turn out like it has. I also understand from my time as a pic mod the problems that are involved and how the over opinionated modding is a rampant problem which greatly discourages people to upload. The approve/deletion ratio means nothing, it's what you approve and don't approve that means something. Yes, most of the queue is reposts and crap I don't disagree the important thing is to have the ability to pick out the ones that aren't. And if you don't possess that ability or are way too strict with what's low quality and expect to see only high res stuff then you have no business pic modding an AMATEUR porn site where most pics are not taken with professional cameras capable of focusing perfectly in any lighting situation.

I never once said I didn't make any mistakes and if you could be bothered to read my earlier posts you would see that I stated I'm sure sometimes I deleted some wrongfully. The problem here is that the pic isn't that bad, it's totally visible and in MOST peoples opinions it's way beyond the threshold of deletion rules.

I'm not bent out of shape, I couldn't care less if my pics get deleted, I don't upload very often. In fact I have requested of a few mods now to dump my entire queue. It's the uploaders like Rob3 that I'm concerned about here. Because of this extreme problem with the queue and because of over opinionated mods like yourself and a few others, people like him have been discouraged from uploading which means less new quality pics for the rest of the MEMBERS who at the end of the day are the only reason this site exists.

I don't post them in the forum because it limits their ability to be seen. Once the thread dies it gets lost among all the other dead threads and a thread with 121 pics isn't gonna last very long when there's no updates to be added.

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Originally posted by Swiss407

@Punnani: that's ridiculous, it's not that bad. MOST amateur pics are home shot, bad lighting, bad focus, sometimes cell phones. With that attitude and unbelievably over strict sense of what's blurry or "quality" it's no wonder everything get rejected.

Excuse me Swiss, I said i would "Probably" delete it as it is of poor quality. Do not accuse me of "attitude and unbelievably over strict sense of what's blurry ". If there is anyone with a bad attitude here it is you !

First off i am not complaining, the pic mods are surely on the verge of eyestrain and do a good job, However I have uploaded a many of pictures and they get deleted only to have them uploaded by someone else at a later date, sometimes even a year later and they make it in?
If it was unacceptable up to a year ago, how is it they are acceptable now?
I am somewhat OCD, so i keep folders of my uploads, the ones that make it and ones that do not. So its easy for me to ask about this.

I sincerely apologize Punnani. The tone was harsh but I still feel that if you think that pic is too low quality to be in the gallery then that's going way over board because it's just not that bad and it's MUCH better then others that regularly get approved. Brownell's really the one who I'm frustrated with and unfairly took it out on you. From my time pic modding I do think you are one of the better ones. Maybe just reconsider what's quality and what's not.

I'm not gonna bother because I didn't want this to be an "attack the pic mods" thread but if I was to make another thread with a poll asking the members whether or not they think the pic is of enough quality to be in the gallery I think the response would be overwhelming. The girl is pretty hot, the quality is grainy but not awful, I just totally fail to see the problem here and I'm not the only one, I'm just the loudest.

hey....i got over 150 movies in the queue....i HOPE that eventually all pics and movies do get uploaded....is being a pic and movie modder a paying job? if so then theres no excuse...hire some more!! ill start at 100k a year...that seams reasonable given all the problems lately...

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Originally posted by Punnani

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Excuse me Swiss, I said i would "Probably" delete it as it is of poor quality. Do not accuse me of "attitude and unbelievably over strict sense of what's blurry ". If there is anyone with a bad attitude here it is you !

i take umbredge with that remark Punnani....as I, also have a bad attitude. so please include me in all future bad attitude conversations.

It's non paying, the pic mods do it out of love for the site for the most part. That's why I did it anyway, I'm sure others have other reasons. It really is a thankless job and threads like this one don't help but I think if you're willing to do the pic modding job then you should be willing to do it to the best of your ability and this thread was just an attempt at helping a few of them realize that.

but if its NOT a paying job, then i am pretty sure that they ARE doing it to the best of there abilities......i can't even BEGIN to imagine all the pics that are uploaded here...thre most be more than a hundred!!!

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Originally posted by Shenanigans!

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i take umbredge with that remark Punnani....as I, also have a bad attitude. so please include me in all future bad attitude conversations.

No problem mate !

well i only work three days a week so if ya ever need any help just holla...if its mediocrity we're striving for, im you're man

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Originally posted by Swiss407

Brownell's really the one who I'm frustrated with and unfairly took it out on you.

I'm going to take exception with that because I didn't say anything negative or critical about you or anyone else, or their opinion (other than the indiscriminate mass uploaders whom I loath), until after you categorized the opinion of Punanni and myself as "ridiculous" and "over opinionated". Until that point, all I did is give some possible reasons why the pics might have been deleted; reasons other than your not so "overly opinionated" view that the "only explanation is lazyness"

If you didn't want the thread to "turn out like it has" you ought to have held your tongue with the insults, although I shouldn't have responded in kind either. It's not as simple as someone being "lazy" or a bad mod, or even understaffed, it's a combination of several factors, and it's been like this for a long time, and it's not going to change as long as there are tens of thousands of pics uploaded every week. There will be mistakes, there will be errors, there will be disagreements about what should/should not be approved because a lot of the job is subjective.

As I said before, you're approval rate was about average, and you've acknowledged that you likely made some mistakes, so I ask you, was it because you were lazy, or was it because you were a bad mod? Were you "over opinionated" back then and have since become much more objective? I would suggest that you probably didn't make that many "mistakes", and the reason your approval ratio doesn't look any different from the other mods is because you were doing the best job you could given the circumstances, as I believe to be the case with the 121 pics in this instance. Maybe through some bad luck you got one of the tougher mods, maybe the mod was having a bad day and was a bit too tough? Maybe that's unfortunate, but I certainly don't think that there's much that can be done as long as the mods are also humans.

In reference to my comments about the gallery being too big, I did not say that it should be closed down to new content, I said that we should continue to be selective about what we accept. My point, albeit poorly stated, is that I think the the majority of the gallery(s) content should be top shelf content, not just "average" content. Now if we could just reach a unanimous opinion defining the terms "top shelf" and "average" everyone could live happily ever after.

My fellow members of WBW I know that somehow we have strayed. I posted or uploaded my first pic quite a few years ago. I lurked, I leeched and I offered nothing. Then I
decided to start contributing. I hada very pleasurable ride for a couple of years.Upload 20 pics 17-18 would be accepted.

WTF is happening here. We have a fine site that most of us enjoy. But this pic MOD shit problem has got to cease.

I will upload a couple of pics later today. I know that they will be original,let's see what happens!

Rob

This is my second time around at being a pic mod and it has not changed at all since the first time. There is always a large number of pictures in queue and the majority of them are crap. I personally am eager to approve a picture since there are so many that have to be deleted. And my eagerness to approve them causes mistakes on my part.

I dont think you should be attacking the pic mods by calling them lazy or claiming that they are not doing their jobs. The only way that you can guarantee that a pic is an original is if you took them yourself and looking through both Swiss and Rob's queue I am positive you didnt take all your uploaded pics yourself.

This is not an easy job to do and if you have suggestions on how to make it better I am all ears, but until then you should probably calm down and dont go pointing fingers....

Some of the mistakes I made were absolutely due to me being lazy at times. Sometimes when it was 1 in the morning and I had been modding pics for hours it's natural to become a little delete happy. Like you said these problems are due to the mods being human. The only point to this thread was just to try and stir them up a little bit again because the pic modding problem has been getting significantly worse instead of better like Rob3 just pointed out.

I agree that our gallery should be mostly "top shelf" which is why I'm extremely selective with what I do upload when I decide to. The girl in question would easily be considered in the top 10% of attractiveness if anyone other then Honda was doing the selecting ( no offense Honda, your my buddy). It's not like they were so bad you couldn't see her at all, you can see her and all her features just fine, they're simply a little bit grainy. I think that most of the members here would rather look at that girl in that quality then some fat sloppy old lady shot in HD quality. And at the end of the day what's good for the members is good for the site. That's my only point.

If we chase away too many uploaders with these unnecessarily strict qualifications then all that will be left are the uploaders who upload the same garbage pics daily.

@King_Daddy: I'm well aware of how the job goes. Your not talking to someone who has no idea, I've done the job. It's not fun, it's thankless, but it's not even close to as difficult as a lot of pic mods like to make it out to be. Of course no one can GUARANTEE a picture is original unless you took it yourself but if you personally know the person who took the pic and it was taken within a month of it being uploaded you can be 99.9% sure and that's damn well sure enough. I'm not a mass uploader. I carefully pick and choose which is why I've uploaded so little in the long amount of time I've been coming here. I don't upload pics unless they come from a source that I know not many people have access to and therefore is unique for the most part.

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Originally posted by King_Daddy

This is my second time around at being a pic mod and it has not changed at all since the first time. There is always a large number of pictures in queue and the majority of them are crap. I personally am eager to approve a picture since there are so many that have to be deleted. And my eagerness to approve them causes mistakes on my part.

I dont think you should be attacking the pic mods by calling them lazy or claiming that they are not doing their jobs. The only way that you can guarantee that a pic is an original is if you took them yourself and looking through both Swiss and Rob's queue I am positive you didnt take all your uploaded pics yourself.

This is not an easy job to do and if you have suggestions on how to make it better I am all ears, but until then you should probably calm down and dont go pointing fingers....

I never said I took all the pics myself, I have uploaded many pics that I have not taken, might continue to do so. Who cares if it is a nice woman. Are we not here for the wimmins!

Pointing fingers is a way to improve this site. To say that we shouldn't is ignorant and counter productive. |Even the newest n00b can contribute ideas. To say that the status qou is fine is to lose sight of the future. We need growth

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Originally posted by Swiss407

If we chase away too many uploaders with these unnecessarily strict qualifications then all that will be left are the uploaders who upload the same garbage pics daily.

I could agree with that if I had any evidence that it was actually happening. I don't have access to the pic queue stats, but I surely haven't heard anything that would lead me to believe that there's any shortage of picture uploads. By comparison, daily movies uploads are pretty much at an all-time high, despite the fact that its probably tougher to get a movie approved today than it ever has been before.

Swiss didn't call anyone lazy.

He's saying that the way the system is set up, that it's very difficult for any reasonable person to remain focused on the pics at hand and try to wade through them.

Pointing out (rightly) that human nature at some stage comes into play and given the descriptions of what pic mods go through, he's not saying the mods are inherently lazy. He's saying that the situation creates an environment where often "the easy way out" is also "the only way out."

I think those of you who are jumping to ram your dicks down someone's throats are probably not looking at the situation fairly. It does appear to me (and I've heard from many pic mods now) that sometimes the shit gets just over-bearing, and yeah, shit happens.

There's a problem in how the pics are handled on this site in that there are indeed a ton of pics, and not enough mods.

That's a fact.

What results from that? Well... One could read Swiss' statements and take offense to them, or one could read them as they are intended and take from it that the environment is not conducive to good moderation of the pictures. It seems to me that Swiss is trying to identify a problem, not attack anyone, and that some have responded heavy-handedly and without an ounce of trying to understand what he intended rather than what the verbatim words on the page were.

Any moron can read. Not all can understand.

Listen to what he's saying, not how he says it - and stop fucking bickering over semantics. Jesus fuck, man.


Now note, what to do about the problem is another matter entirely - but we can get there (and hopefully work on that productively) after we manage to actually agree that there is a problem instead of bitching over word-choice and attacking each other.

And yeah, I say "we." I'm not a mod, but I live here too, so suck it.

Well if y'all are looking for more pic mods, keep me in mind!

Yeah, Jsteel and I would make :wonderful: Crew...

You bring the matches, I'll bring the kerosene.