Pic Mods

A little attention would be appreciated. I know you get bitched at all the time around here so I try not to be too hard on you guys. I've done the job I know but possibly if a little more attention was paid it wouldn't be such a problem.

But yesterday I uploaded 121 pics, so far 8 have been modded and all 8 have been rejected. None were reposts, all were original and the girl in the pics couldn't possibly be under 18. So the only explanation is lazyness. I know how big and overwhelming the queue can get but that's no excuse. Pic modding is one of the most important modding jobs here in my opinion and also the most tedious and thankless. I know you guys get beat up by the public often so that's not what this is about, just a friendly reminder to maybe try just a little bit harder.

Anyway, I'm not trying to rant too much but bad pic modding definitely discourages people from wanting to upload. And at the end of the day isn't the pics really what draws the people to the site?

This has been a problem for a long time, still there is no solution for it. Any one an idea?

There is no "solution", the gallery and queues are too large to expect 100% accuracy from any mod, nevermind the fact that the scope of the job requires a fairly large staff.


1) Age interpretation is subjective, it's not bad modding if there's some discrepancy among the mods about age.
2) Unless the person took the picture(s) themselves and never shared them with anyone else, they can not definitively state that it's "original".
3) There are nearly a million pictures in the gallery, and it's likely that 3-4x that many more have been uploaded over the years. It's unreasonable to expect that every picture mod would know all of them. Equally unreasonable to expect anyone to identify and cull "similar" pics with total accuracy. If a mod thinks it's a repost of a previously uploaded picture, it's their job to delete it, that's not bad modding, it's probably the opposite.

I agree age interpretation is subjective but this girl isn't subjective. Anyone who thinks she's under 18 shouldn't be pic modding cause they're obviously unable to tell age very well.

I know what the job of a pic mod is, I did it so I'm familiar with the "if in doubt, delete it" view. Still though, when people upload stuff they have a reasonable expectation to have them approved if in fact they are ok for the site.

Last year I uploaded close to 80 of a girl who I know personally and know for a fact most of the pics had been taken within a month or so of when I uploaded them. All but 11 of them were rejected. Same with the girl I just uploaded the 121 pics of. I don't know her that well but I hung out with her boyfriend for awhile a couple weeks ago. Her myspace is private and she only accepts people she knows. She only has 83 friends so the likelihood of one of those 83 being a person from WBW and having posted the pics I posted is slim to none, but I guess it's mildly possible same as winning the lottery is mildly possible.

@Diz: I wish I had a solution. I'm sure if there was a solution you would've have come up with it by now. I personally believe it's just pic mods hitting the delete button like crazy because they get tired or bored with modding thousands of pics a week. That's totally understandable but at the same time it is extremely frustrating for the people who upload. I know there were times when I was modding tired or late at night and probably hit delete on a few I shouldn't have just to get through as many as possible but overall I tried really hard to do the best I could. I'm still of the opinion that accepting some reposts is better then rejecting good uploads. Reposts cause complaints but rejecting good uploads causes people to stop uploading good stuff. Just a thought. Again I don't want anyone to feel attacked by this thread.

Well, the obvious and easy answer from the peanut gallery is "More pic mods means less queue. Less queue means less work. Less work means less lazy."

Spreading the work-load out by getting more pic mods seems to be the natural answer to an outsider. Is there some reason I am overlooking that makes this not be the case?

alternatively, another site I am part of where I'm actually part of the staff does pictures. In order for the pics to be approved or denied they have to meet a certain threshold. One mod alone cannot cause a pic to be rejected. One mod alone cannot cause a pic to be accepted.

It takes say... 10 reviews total for each picture - and must have more than 7 approvals to be approved, or more than three denials results in rejection of the pic. It's a bulky system, but it does work for getting pics into the system with accuracy.

Well, I dunno, there is always the possibility the person modding them mistook a few of them for pro pics. I was just browsing through your queue and maybe a couple of them look even remotely pro, and to be honest the girl isn't all that attractive..and a lot of them were taken by her. I don't recognize her at all...

Like, I was hoping to roll in and see a bunch of super high res pics of an amazingly attractive girl so I could give that response, but it's just not happening. She looks of age and everything. Weird they got deleted unless I'm missing something. Like I said, a few maybe, like maybe this one:

Look even slightly...eh, but the quality is so low, I honestly have no idea. I'm sure someone will totally come in here and tell us why they deleted them though..lol

Holy shit. She a hottie. Honda must have a pretty different taste in women. Like I herd he liks snickerz.

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Originally posted by Tarquin

Holy shit. She a hottie. Honda must have a pretty different taste in women. Like I herd he liks snickerz.

Really? With that face...alright.

Also, what the hell is wrong with a man loving him some fine, fine chocolate?

I was never saying she was ugly or anything, she just doesn't look pro..

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Originally posted by Honda_X

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Really? With that face...alright.

Also, what the hell is wrong with a man loving him some fine, fine chocolate?

I was never saying she was ugly or anything, she just doesn't look pro..

Oh. I thought you were saying you wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole. No, I don't think the pic looks pro. She could be (not "is" or "looks" but "could be" ) though, IMO. I think she's pretty hot.

And yeah, her face is long, but the angle is bad. If they take a pic from straight on or lower than her head it will make her face look smaller. This pic's angle makes her face look longer than it is. But she has a little nose, pretty eyes, good skin and strong cheeks, not to mention a rockin' body... I dunno dude. I think she's pretty cute. I'd nail her and brag about it.

Each to their own.

Again, I'm not a pic mod, but I think there is a threshold for low-quality/blurry pics, I don't know if the pic above would (or should) be accepted based on that criteria alone?

I highly doubt a multiple mod approval/rejection process would work here. A quick look at that stats confirms that there are over 10K pics modded weekly...WEEKLY. The manpower required to have multiple mods all reviewing that many pics seems very unrealistic. Beside that, more mods does not equal "less lazy", because it's not a matter of bad or lazy modding in the first place, it's a matter of quality control and judgement. There are only a certain number of people that have the time and dedication to volunteer that much time to sort through piles of uploads; fewer yet that know the galleries and models well enough to prevent masses of pro pics and reposts from flooding the gallery with the mass of garbage in the pic queue that shouldn't even be there in the first place if the uploader had even the slightest regard for the rules.

My "solution" would start by enforcing tighter controls on how many pics one member may upload at a given time, and better mod tools to prevent habitual bad uploaders from wasting moderator time that could be better spent moderating pics that were uploaded in accordance with the guidelines on the upload page.

My opinion (Being a pic mod) is that picture is blurry and of poor quality and i probably would delete it due to it's poor quality.

she's not the hottest girl in the world agreed but she sure ain't that bad, Honda, and I'd venture to say way better then a shitload that gets uploaded around here. I'd take her over the girl in your avy. Usually I'm the super picky one around here, stop tryin to take my title. The face isn't perfection yeah but it's not bad either and the body more then makes up for it, you can see it better in other pics.

@Brownell: some are more blurry then others agreed, but if you look through the pic gallery you'll see countless of way worse quality then these. I definitely agree that certain people should be marked as bad uploaders somehow. Back when I was pic modding you get so many pro/reposts from the same people over and over again and it takes up a lot of mod time just dealing with those specific users.

@Punnani: that's ridiculous, it's not that bad. MOST amateur pics are home shot, bad lighting, bad focus, sometimes cell phones. With that attitude and unbelievably over strict sense of what's blurry or "quality" it's no wonder everything get rejected.

At one time I had a goal of 10,000 pics uploaded. I got close to 9000 and quit last August. I grew tired and frustrated that over the course of last summer that only about 1 in 25 pics would make it through the process.
That can be frustrating and it was. I doubt that I will try to upload any pics in the foreseeable future.
I bought myself a Nikon D90 last November. Pricey but I view it as a five year investment. The quality that comes through even with my semi skilled knowledge is incredible. With the resolution of todays digitals many pics are of far higher quality than ever before. |
I hope the mods take this into consideration as well as other things when they delete.

As far as underage I believe that the mods err on the safe side and I believe that is the correct procedure

Exactly Rob3, if the quality is too high it's pro, if it's slightly grainy then some say the quality sucks even when it isn't THAT terrible as posted above.

I don't upload much for these exact reasons but from time to time I come across something that I know the site hasn't seen and I decide to try again and then I'm quickly reminded why I stopped the previous time. I think I've finally gotten the point this time around. Punnani drove the point home for me.

That is a grainy/low-quality/blurry pic. If the girl was average or below average (yeah, I agree with Tarquin that she's pretty hot), I'd personally say it's not good enough for the pic gallery. I know everyone wants their pics to get in, and everyone wants the credits and points, but the gallery is huge (too big IMO), we should continue to be selective about what gets approved.

I don't give a rats ass about the credits, points, etc. I upload cause I like the site and I like to contribute things people actually want to look at. I don't upload big fat chicks just because they're easy to find. I don't upload bullshit, I don't flood the queue with pics just hoping to become a demigod so trying to frame this thread as me trying to be self serving and just "wanting to get my pics in" is bullshit.

Saying the gallery is too big is hilarious. How ridiculous is that statement? It's an amateur porn site, the gallery can't be too big as long as there's more pics out there that aren't in it. Girls are taking new pics daily, but apparently in your opinion the gallery is so big that all those new pics have no place in it because we have so many old ones. It's this mentality that is the entire problem here.

The proof is in the pudding and Rob3 consistently posts and uploads quality stuff, hot girls, etc. The fact that he has been discouraged from uploading in the future is a big deal. This site only exists if people continue to upload and contribute stuff people want to see. The only people this process and overly opinionated modding doesn't discourage are the people who post reposts and crap just to get credits.

I don't recall deleting any of your uploads Swiss but if they were any more blurry than the one posted here I probably would have. Meaning that if the whole image was so blurry you couldn't hardly tell what it was, thats when I would delete it. Or if it looked something like this......


You can clearly see that there are three females in the picture and distinguish whats what, but it's just not a good quality picture. This is the type (or anything close to it) I would delete if I came across it. Your image on the other hand is a little blurry BUT you can clearly see whats what.

As far as high res pics being rejected because of thinking they are pro is bullshit. I along with the others I'm sure don't go by that, we go by every aspect of the image (lighting, make-up, positioning, etc.) and then decide if we should let it through or not. The resolution of the image alone doesn't mean it's pro, it just means that the one that took the photo has a really good camera OR it COULD be pro.

I agree that picture is unreasonable to post.

I think the type that Swiss showed us up above though, are reasonable to post and they don't seem to be nearly that bad (presuming his example is a fair portrayal of the others).

Just chiming in.

I wouldn't ever upload anything that blurry, that's just awful.

@Tarquin: Honda posted the example not me, but that's actually one of the worse quality ones in the set. There are a few worse then that though and I'd understand if they didn't get through but seeing as it was all the same girl I uploaded them anyway. The vast majority of them I would say are better quality then the example given by Honda and I think the vast majority would agree that the girl is hot enough to look past the minor low quality of the pic, it's not anywhere close to the example J_A_W_Z posted. It's totally visible, you can see detail, it's not nearly as bad as Punnani and Brownell are trying to make out to be.

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Originally posted by Tarquin

I agree that picture is unreasonable to post.

I think the type that Swiss showed us up above though, are reasonable to post and they don't seem to be nearly that bad (presuming his example is a fair portrayal of the others).

Just chiming in.

Thats what I'm saying, the pic from his queue looks fine IMO for the gallery but if it was any more blurry (like the example I posted) it wouldn't be

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Originally posted by Swiss407

I wouldn't ever upload anything that blurry, that's just awful.

I'm sure you wouldn't, I was just using it as an example BUT there have been members that have uploaded pics that blurry or something close to it so I rejected them