Pic Mods

Does the fact that pic queue is full actually mean anything though? Like all pic mods will tell you it's mostly full of junk uploaded by known problem uploaders.

Evidence of what I'm saying is Rob3 who is right in this thread and who posts good stuff all the time but has given up on uploading due to the fact that it's more frustration then it's worth. It's obvious by how many threads like this one have been started in the past. I believe the evidence is right in front of our eyes. Constant complaints about the pic queue, known good uploaders choosing to stop uploading because of the hassle. I don't think we need a statistic to show us what is totally obvious if we just look at how things go.

When I upload 80 pics of my wife's best friend that were taken within a month from uploading and only 11 get through, that's a problem. Those pics were high quality too unlike these questionable ones this thread is about. Basically there's a problem, we all love this site so instead of fighting about it and making excuses why can't we come up with a solution? We're all for the most part intelligent people, there has to be some sort of an answer or at least something which could MILDLY improve things which is a start. I think pic mods (myself included) spend a lot of time talking about how hard it is and the reasons why we make mistakes instead of trying to think of ways to stop the mistakes and steamline the system. Just rehashing the same old tired excuses has lead us to the point we are at now where 11 out of 80 totally original pics get through.

He did in fact say with absolute certainty, that the believed the problem to be "lazyness" and "bad modding" I'll conceed that fatigue and frustration, play a role, but I absolutely disagree with the notion that fatigue and frustration can be removed from the job until, the work load is reduced and/or conditons are improved for the mods. And I'm not talking about "more mods" because the most stressful period I've had as a mod was when there were a lot of mods approving movies, which resulted in myself and others re-modding the approved movies to eliminate all the reposts and movies that were approved in err. It's not rocket science, but it's also not something just anybody with some free time can do a good job at either.

I challenge any of you to vote on 3,000 pictures every week, and place a comment and/or a tag for every one of them. Make sure you vote your conscience, and make sure the tag or comment is relevant and appropriate. Be careful to make sure no one disagrees with the score or the comment you post. Do that for a month, and then you'll have an idea what it's like to be a pic mod, who not only has to decide if a pic should be approved or deleted, but also has to place it in the proper category and assign a filename if not provided by the uploader.

Man...again with teh cluster fuck.

First off, again..I don't think that chick is ugly or anything, I don't think she's super hot to be honest, she just has a type of face I'm not fond of, but that said, I see how others might like her...I just don't think there would be enough willing to pay to see her. I was just saying I don't think she could ever really be mistaken as a pro model.

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Originally posted by Punnani

My opinion (Being a pic mod) is that picture is blurry and of poor quality and i probably would delete it due to it's poor quality.

To say the pic is too blurry out low quality is a little over the top, as long as a pic is clearly visible and doesn't break any guideline rules, I don't see any reason it could have been deleted.

This whole thread is interesting honestly, on the one side, it's very very true the queue is massive, like you said Swiss, you're aware of it's size, and the tedious job that goes along with modding pictures. Then on the other side I do sympathize, if I'm uploading a picture I'm 100% sure isn't in the queue, and doesn't break any of the guideline rules, I would be pissed off too.

brownell makes a good point, expecting 100% accuracy out of a moderator is impossible, nobody knows what is the queue (other than screwy..he's made of picture knowledge)...but that's an excuse that would be easier to rely on had the picture not been so well within the guidelines. Like I commented in my first post, I was looking for a reason to tell Swiss his pics were deleted. There simply isn't one.

That's a shame, if people are uploading pictures they are certain aren't in the gallery, and fall well within the rules. Not to mention the girl is easy on the eyes, and it still gets deleted...well, obviously that is just going to piss people off...and sway them from ever trying it again.

I guess it's a gray area..and since nobody is coming forward (lol they never do)...with a reason.

I dunno, I'll shut up now.

I did say lazyness but I didn't call the pic mods lazy, there is a difference. Everyone has moments of lazyness or are too tired to perform their job well. That's what I meant though I may not have said it properly. I even put the lazyness on myself and fully admitted to having done my share of lazy modding during my time while I did spend most of my time trying to do a great job though.

I agree completely the answer isn't more mods. The answer is mods trying harder, finding better mods and stream lining the process to make it less tiresome on them. Brownell, I also love your idea of somehow tagging (only for crew view) problem uploaders or drastically limiting their ability to upload because there are certain users who flood the queue with garbage and make the life of a pic mod hell. I don't expect 100% accuracy, that's totally unreasonable, but 11 out of 80 is 7% accuracy which is really pretty terrible.

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Originally posted by brownell

He did in fact say with absolute certainty, that the believed the problem to be "lazyness" and "bad modding"

Yah, he said that. None the less I think that it was simply something that he had difficulty articulating rather than an intent for it to come out that way.

When I read it my interpretation was that it was too hard for the mods - and that he simply didn't have the ability to say that the way he meant it. I'm guessing here, but I don't think English is his native language. Even if it was, people say things all the time when they're trying to express complex ideas and don't have the time to word it "just so."

In any case, it certainly didn't justify the personal tone the thread took after that and some of the statements that were directed at him.

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Originally posted by brownell

I'll conceed that fatigue and frustration, play a role, but I absolutely disagree with the notion that fatigue and frustration can be removed from the job until, the work load is reduced and/or conditons are improved for the mods. And I'm not talking about "more mods" because the most stressful period I've had as a mod was when there were a lot of mods approving movies, which resulted in myself and others re-modding the approved movies to eliminate all the reposts and movies that were approved in err. It's not rocket science, but it's also not something just anybody with some free time can do a good job at either.

I see your point. I constantly see pics that are new to me that are not new to others. When they vanish I understand why, but am bummed. Likewise I see pics get approved all the time that I know for a fact are dupes, and I report them.

So... Okay, hear me out on this. Seriously - this may actually speed up the queue and decrease the work-load if implemented properly. It might not too, but maybe we're at the stage where some experimentation or some brain-storming was in order.

So here's what I was thinking. You guys are right - requiring ten approvals per pic is a bit much. But what if the pic mods were broken into teams in a sort of pyramid system as depicted in my "Monkey-with-a-Crayola" picture that I attached?

The head pic mod can oversee two or three or maybe more underlings. The underlings can each oversee another set of underlings.

The bottom of the pyramid gets pics from the queue, screens them, approves them, and once approved they go to the next level of queue. When they hit the top and get through, they hit the site.

Now in theory this sounds like it will slow down productivity, but it won't and I know that because I have used a system like this in the past in real life as well as on the Internet (at another site that took submissions - but not of pictures).

In this way, you can each mentor one or two, maybe three or four, pic mods - so the number of mods (we have 6500 mods!) doesn't become an issue - And the work is spread out more evenly as well.

Seriously, the amount of time you guys have to spend going and taking care of dupes or otherwise undesirable pics certainly takes a lot of time - a lot more time than a thorough queue for pics takes, and it would save work and time in the long run. It's easier and faster to catch an error when it first hits the system than to catch it later on, that's just basic business fact in general but it also applies here.

Less dupes that hit the pages means you guys will find yourselves moving faster and faster through the queue, which now has less errors in it and is far more managable - and it even includes fail-safes in the system.

You can also use a lot more mods this way, rather than having everyone doing the exact same job at the exact same level, with no oversight, and having to herd the mods like they're 1500 cats on PCP.

If it were me, a system like this is one I would give serious thought to. I keep hearing people say no to any kind of "second level" system, but many many sites (and companies in real life) use it - and it's not because it's inefficient.

If it wasn't efficient, they wouldn't use it.

Just think it over a bit is all I'm saying.

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Originally posted by Brownell

I challenge any of you to vote on 3,000 pictures every week, and place a comment and/or a tag for every one of them.

Stop making this personal please. This is not an "us versus them" scenario. We're on the same team here. No one is asserting the job of the pic mods is easy. No one is asserting any one else could do better. All I see people saying is, "This task is too hard the way it is designed."

How many pic mods are there right now?

Just out of curiosty, Tarquin, can you give an estimate about how many pics are uploaded daily at the site you referenced, and what the approval rate is (how many pics are approved and added daily?

And it wasn't intended to be a them-vs-us comment, I truely don't believe that most people have any idea just how many pictures we're talking about.

I do understand and I started the thread, so let's not focus on the people who don't understand because they haven't been there and instead focus on the problem.

We can all agree on a few things I hope. 1. the pic queue is massive and full of junk. 2. 7% accuracy is not a real good thing. 3. We all love WBW and want it to get better and continue to grow.

If we all agree on those 3 issues and I think we do then the problems are clear, it's the answers that have yet to be found.

One thing that helped me a lot when I was pic modding was paying close attention to who the uploader is. I even kept a list of the bad ones, the ones that I knew regularly uploaded new quality stuff and the members who regularly post wife/girlfriend pics. This helped a great deal when I was on the fence about a certain pic and whether to delete or approve it. The known members tend to upload decent stuff and the people who have been around here longer generally have a good idea of what's repost and what's not. That doesn't work across the board but it's a good starting place and at the least it helps make sure peoples wives/girlfriends get through.

Well I think we have heard a few good ideas here. What I find deplorable is the crews response. Mostly defending the status quo. This thread would not be here if things in some members mind worked differently or were changed. At this point it is unsatisfactory period. I have not uploaded a pic in over 6 months. My average babe score is 7.11, I think that is a good score for almost 9000 pics uploaded. I don't care to upload any pics soon because the rate of rejection is out of this world. Need I say more! It is broken and needs some adjustments.

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Originally posted by Tarquin

Yeah, Jsteel and I would make :wonderful: Crew...

You bring the matches, I'll bring the kerosene.

What's that supposed to mean?

I was being serious im on here all day i got plenty of time to go through pictures. and i know whats acceptable and whats not.

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Originally posted by brownell

Just out of curiosty, Tarquin, can you give an estimate about how many pics are uploaded daily at the site you referenced, and what the approval rate is (how many pics are approved and added daily?

And it wasn't intended to be a them-vs-us comment, I truely don't believe that most people have any idea just how many pictures we're talking about.

We didn't do pics. We did fiction texts.

At the one site I do work at that does pics (HotorNot.com) ... I dunno.. I'd estimate somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 to 10k daily. I can't be sure of that, however. It might be higher (very possible), it might be lower (not likely).

I can check.

I just shot off an email. I'll find someone that knows how many we get there daily as a total. As soon as I hear something, I'll let you know.

How many does WBW get daily (not how many are all stacked up, but how many are submitted on average, in a given day)?

I don't think it is relevant what another site has for submissions. What is relevant is that many of us want this to be the best site for amateur porn. Granted we do famous pics etc.From time to time and not often I will post pro pics to the nude babes forum. I don't really care for the pics but there are a lot of peeps that do care and like them, it is all a matter of taste. |I will not put someone down because they like fat chicks, shinny chicks or whatever.

This is a forum that most of us enjoy, and that is what it should be. |We have to be careful as time goes by that we do not lose sight of this. WBW needs to constantly evolve, if not it will die

Two suggestions:

1. If certain members regularly submit "quality" and "usually acceptable" uploads, they should be given priority review and/or routed to the same mods for a quicker review and posting.
2. Reposts to some might not be reposts to others; if a higher quality submitted pic/vid was previously posted more than, say 2 or 3 years ago, let it be re-upped for the rest of us that may never have seen it.

Peace.

Oh, and I think this question got missed despite being in a post all its own: "How many pic mods are there right now?"

I think there's something to what Rob said too - how another site does it may or may not actually work for us (though there are sites that deal in mass submissions, be they pictures, profiles, stories, etc that do manage to get it done).

But really what's important here is what works for WBW. In this case, the current way of doing things is not getting it done.

Regardless of whether another system is likely to work or not likely to work may be moot. Maybe it's time to "Try anyway."

If another way of doing it doesn't work, I don't see what harm there is in that. Maybe we learn something or can incorporate the parts of it that do work. But even if doesn't work - how is that any different than what we currently have?

This is pretty interesting. I actually made my first babe uploads yesterday and I don't think I'll be making anymore. I'm not pissed at the mods or anything but after reading this I simply don't want to be making the situation worse. I love this site and I don't want to see it get fucked up.

Honestly I don't know how the hell the pic mods can keep track of everything. I look through the galleries quite a bit and I can't honestly say any of the pics I up'd aren't reposts. I haven't seen any of them posted before, but shit out of a million pics how the hell am I supposed to know. That's why I'm not going to do it anymore.

I don't know how the whole pic mod thing works but from what I see there can't be any organization whatsoever to the queue. I mean all I did was browse for a zip file a click upload, that's it. Shouldn't there be a little pre-organization going on? Like with the car gallery you have to enter a make, model, title and whatever. Couldn't you make the uploader sort their own shit and then have pic mods that are in charge of just that type of pic? I mean you already have categories in the gallery why not have us do that for you. I know you'll still have to go through all those pics but it seems to me a "fat chick" mod would have a better idea of what fat chicks they've seen and could better judge whether or not they should be in the gallery. Maybe a simple drop down menu form like there is in the car section would help, then again maybe I'm talking out of my ass what do I know.

Anyway I'll just go back to posting my pro pics, I know I'm a piece of shit, but fuck I got to contribute something!

Iv been here so long i see repost all the time. I might see a pic that i remember seeing from a year or two ago maybe longer and remember adding it to my faves or something. With all those pictures and new members its bound to happen (repost that is) that's why the "report" option it there. I report pictures all the time... help weed em out!

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Originally posted by JSteel

Iv been here so long i see repost all the time. I might see a pic that i remember seeing from a year or two ago maybe longer and remember adding it to my faves or something. With all those pictures and new members its bound to happen (repost that is) that's why the "report" option it there. I report pictures all the time... help weed em out!

I'll keep that in mind, but haven't they already been modded and approved by that point?

Yea but repost and other things are still gonna get through. like i said with all the pictures they go through a picture might have been uploaded a year or so ago and they don't remember so it gets through again and me or other members might remember seeing it. sometimes ill even go find the pic to be sure then report it. If its in my favs or something or i know who uploaded it the first time

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Originally posted by JSteel

Yea but repost and other things are still gonna get through. like i said with all the pictures they go through a picture might have been uploaded a year or so ago and they don't remember so it gets through again and me or other members might remember seeing it. sometimes ill even go find the pic to be sure then report it. If its in my favs or something or i know who uploaded it the first time

Damn JSteel, way to be dude!