What's causing the collapse of American civilization. Really.

Something fell into place for me today, a statement of great clarity that came to me in a flash. Here it is: "What's wrong with this country is you can't bring your dog with you into anyplace anymore.". It's true. How? Well, for one, we're an overregulated, rules-obsessed society where everyone thinks they're a cop and it's hard to do just about anything anymore without someone tapping you on the shoulder and pointing to a sign which says you can't do that. We're also a society that has completely lost it's sense of personal responsibility, which has led to an absolute rampaging mania on a national level about legal liability. Wanna know why your kids can't play at the local playground anymore? BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLAYGROUND ANYMORE. The city dismantled it so they wouldn't get sued when little Timmy scrapes his knee. Today I tried to bring my dog with me into the outdoor patio area of a bar in my town. This is legal in my city. The owner of this joint was afraid someone's dog was going to bite someone and the bar would get sued, so I had to leave with my dog. It used to not be that way a mere year or two ago.

Um, just how, by any stretch of logic in the known universe, is it in any way a bar's responsibility if someone gets bitten by a dog another patron brought in and not the responsibility of the dog owner himself? Could someone explain that to me? If my dog bites someone without provocation, then it's on me. End of story. Morally, finaincially, legally, it should be on me or any dog owner. I'd like to meet the first judge who didn't eat his Wheaties that morning and ruled a bar and not the dog owner was responsible for the first time ver. Step out on to the street and if one's dog bites someone, the owner gets arrested and the dog goes to the pound. Done. But take four steps through that pub door to your right and suddenly the bar has to shell out for the injuries of the guy who got bitten even if he was forewarned the dog was a biter but he tried to pet him anyhow. In fact if the owner forewarned someone the dog was a biter, he should be absolved of ALL responsibility. Sorry, bitten guy, no one to sue! Too bad, so sad for you.


Then we have the fact that none of this is going to get any better in the forseeable future. That's the real tragedy, we're never coming back from this. It's also why the statement "What's wrong with this country is that you can't bring your dog with you into anyplace." is true. All societies collapse, people, they're not supposed to last forever and they never do. Ours is in the midst of doing just that, comitting suicide. Hell at least the Romans were eventually invaded by outsiders they could partially put the blame on. As for the rest of you non-Americans, I guess you don't have a life of legal morass and crushing regulation at every turn dictating your life to look forward to. If you think it's bad where you are, try here. Plenty of countries have tooo many needless ridiculous rules, the problem here is virtually every last one of them is zealously enforced no matter how little sense they make.

Jeff

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I just knew when I read the title I should have never opened this thread and then when I saw Jeff posted it....

Dont now if hes for real or ripping the piss. Come on now m8 realy

well Jeff, for a change i read the whole thing. and for a change tend to agree. All the rules that bind western soceity are slowly bringing it to a halt.

huh, i read it and it made alot of sense...but that ate up too much time...back to porn...

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Originally posted by Hellcat

well Jeff, for a change i read the whole thing. and for a change tend to agree. All the rules that bind western soceity are slowly bringing it to a halt.

These are the words of a man man...... BURN HIM

True, all true... Europe is not as bad as America, but we're right behind you and closing.

In Finland you can't take a dog to a pub because there might be someone allergic in the pub. On the other hand, only 50% of a pub must be non-smoking. So, a dog causes more allergic reactions than cigarette smoke? I doubt.

In my opinion both dogs and smoking should be 100% allowed. If you can't live with them, don't go to a pub.

i dont know about any pubs anywhere else around Oz...but where i live, NO dogs are allowed on the premises, not because of legal reasons as such, but for health regulations....and the fact that city people dont want to drink their beer with a dog near them. If you want to drink with your dog, stay home.

On the other hand, go out in the sticks or country pubs....and it would probably be totally ok, dogs are allowed in most public areas as long as theyre restrained.

Dont know how much more regulated you guys are....i think its more to do with your public opinions. You guys have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Those 2 things are seen as common sense here in Oz...but people dont realise that nowhere in aussie law is that written or expressed, which is why we have NO media following out troops or in crime scenes or any area controlled by govt or authorities, unless they allow it. My bro works for the AFP and often kicks the media out of parliament.

People are getting just too damm sensitive...and think they need to make regulations to protect people of their stupidities.


/jeff

I could just see "What's causing the col..."

I hoped for "cola to explode", that's why I clicked.

Turns out that VK is right.

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Originally posted by woodsworth

I could just see "What's causing the col..."

I hoped for "cola to explode", that's why I clicked.

Turns out that VK is right.

i read it!!!




im bored

Fuck that noise.

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Originally posted by Jack

Fuck that noise.

bats?

I disagree. Your main points were that our over regulation and lack of personal responsibility will lead to our countries collapse (but didn’t really make that connection). I strongly disagree with that America is going to collapse (any time soon). I also disagree with your statement , “All societies collapse, people, they're not supposed to last forever and they never do” because some societies/nations haven’t collapsed that have been around for thousands of years. Also I believe that nations will join together, similar to Europe and form one large union/coalition.
As far as America being “over regulated” I somewhat agree. We have the most laws of any other country. However most are not followed or enforced. Cass R Sunstein wrote in his book, “Why Society Needs Dissent” that laws are made to regulate social norms. Is the laws are too far ahead of the people than no one but would require aggressive enforcement however it would not be enforced by the people in a free society (my example of a free society: America). Sunstien used the ban on smoking in California as a perfect example (widely followed, hardly any enforcement). My point is that laws are made because we want them and already plan to follow them anyway. You may argue; how can this be a free society if I get fined for being a nuisances for painting my house neon pink and parking my broken, rusty car on my front lawn? You might be right to some degree though I’m sure you (have the freedom) could move somewhere where you could do that (a shack in the woods) but the truth is that those things infringe on the rights of your community at large.
In regards to you specific incident with your dog I suggest you “get involved”. Did you ever stop to think, maybe the owner doesn’t have the right to ask you to leave for this reason? Check up on it. (EXAMPLE) In the San Francisco stadium parking lot about seven years ago there were cars being damaged and broken into. There were/are signs all over the massive parking lot stating things like “park at your own risk”, “the stadium is no liable” so on and so forth. However they lost a case involving a baseball that broke a car window.

I have a lot more to say because you are so wrong on so many levels but I doubt anyone will read this and I love porn.

If a team fails you got to look at the team not the chairman of the club.

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I have a lot more to say because you are so wrong on so many levels but I doubt anyone will read this and I love porn.

hey jeff, you think you will be better off if you moved to ...(that country you mentioned that i now forgot)

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Originally posted by kennyMan2000

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As far as America being “over regulated” I somewhat agree. We have the most laws of any other country. However most are not followed or enforced. ....
In regards to you specific incident with your dog I suggest you “get involved”. Did you ever stop to think, maybe the owner doesn’t have the right to ask you to leave for this reason? Check up on it. ....

I have a lot more to say because you are so wrong on so many levels but I doubt anyone will read this and I love porn.

Summary: You are stating, in your response to Jeff's tirade against the over regulation of society, that one of the actions that made Jeff angry about regulations (the prohibition of his dog at the bar, a prohibition enacted by the owner of the bar) can possibly be overcome by Jeff finding a regulation against the bar owner's action? In short, you would have Jeff prohibit the bar owner from running the bar as the owner felt it should be run.

...And Jeff's wrong on so many levels?

Ok, no matter what's the topic of this thread (still haven't read the long texts), here's a hint from
your usability department:

Ever noticed that people on the net don't read long texts? Especially not texts so badly formated as those you produce in your postings. I'm aware that this is not all your fault because you have to stick to what the editor allows for, but as you can see from the sentences reading all this while I do not make paragraphs just keep on typing at the end of the line and don't really care about punctuation is really a pain to read. And you could do better than this if you really want to tell us something or the other.

So keep it short and readable and get to the point right away

"immigration"
~Chief Sitting Bull