Russia is going To Suffer Putin's Insanity

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

Those are my opinions based on facts

"If some Russian citizens are not happy then Russia will invade and make them happy."
show me the facts that suggest that Russia is going to invade other countries to make their citizens happy.

"I really don't think NATO has the backbone to help these little countries. Russia will take them one by one slowly but surely so as not to wake up the west."
show me an article that suggests NATO won't do anything, and while you're at it show me one that indicates that Russia is going to take over counties one at a time.

"Russia is showing it will invade a country IF that country doesn't put Russia first in everything it does ie trade etc"
I'd really love to read this one, you mean there's a new article that hints at Russia invading countries that don't trade with them? Can't wait to read it.

"I am sure North Korea will be happy to sell or even give ISIS womd"
This should be a good paranoia read too, but again...lets see it.

I don't don't that there could be some writing somewhere on the internet that suggests these things happening, but I want a credible news agency, not Billy Bobs Blog. So lets see these so called "facts" you have to back these claims up.

Part of what started Russia's aggression Sugarpie was the getting rid of Ukraine's Russian puppet leader. He wanted to sign a trade agreement with Putin instead of Europe. Looks like an important part of NATO won't stop sending Russia warships much less defending NATO countries against aggression. 4000 troops won't help NATO countries in an all out attack by Russia. NATO countries like Poland can't feel too secure by seeing NATO's weak response. Ukraine has 2 choices at this point--do as Russia says or die. Putin has shown the willingness to sacrifice Russia's entire economy so he can rebuild the Soviet empire. The Russian economy is in shambles. This is a sign of insanity. So Russia has changed the borders by force and intimidation. Russia wants to grow by using it's military instead of business and investments.



http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/26429681/obama-to-europe-nato-to-oppose-russian-aggression

"Russia's months long conflict with Ukraine comes at a time when members of the NATO defense alliance have been cutting military spending and reassessing the organization's role after years of peace in Europe. While Ukraine is not part of NATO, alliance members in Eastern and Central Europe fear they could be Russia's [next targets, prompting the 28-nation bloc to seek a more robust response. "

Obama will confront some rifts within the alliance when it comes to dealing with Russia. Despite tough talk about Moscow's behavior, France is proceeding with plans to send Russia warships, a move the U.S. and Britain have denounced.

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

Part of what started Russia's aggression Sugarpie was the getting rid of Ukraine's Russian puppet leader. He wanted to sign a trade agreement with Putin instead of Europe.

I agree that when Yanukovych was ousted from office the tension between Russia and Ukraine increased, but that doesn't mean that every time a country refuses to do trade with Russia, that Russia is going to invade them. There are many many countries that don't do trade with Russia, and Russia isn't invading them.

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Originally posted by NC

Looks like an important part of NATO won't stop sending Russia warships much less defending NATO countries against aggression. 4000 troops won't help NATO countries in an all out attack by Russia. NATO countries like Poland can't feel too secure by seeing NATO's weak response.

You're doing it again. You don't know this to be true. This is your opinion and not facts. Yes, up until this point NATO has not got involved, but do you honestly think they would stand by and do nothing if Russia started an all out war to take over Europe?

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Originally posted by NC

Ukraine has 2 choices at this point--do as Russia says or die. Putin has shown the willingness to sacrifice Russia's entire economy so he can rebuild the Soviet empire. The Russian economy is in shambles. This is a sign of insanity. So Russia has changed the borders by force and intimidation. Russia wants to grow by using it's military instead of business and investments.

Or they could fight back...like they are doing. Obviously Russia is hesitant for some reason, as they have enough troops and equipment to invade Ukraine and take it over, but they haven't done that. Why? If you believe, like you've stated in this thread that Russia wants to take over the Ukraine, then why haven't they done it yet? Why are hey using paramilitary troops that have snuck in and are supporting the Ukrainian faction that wants to rejoin Russia? This method could take decades, or it may never work. Why not just cross the boarder with their tanks and troops and steamroll the population into submission?


And you still haven't shown me any articles that back up the 4 quotes that I've asked you to defend. Stop making assumptions and speculations and masquerading them as fact.

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Originally posted by unknown1002001

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Unfortunately he thinks the same way as the average US citizen.

I don't understand how these people go about life in constant fear that the boogieman (i.e. terrorist) are going to get them.

I think that I am an average American Citizen, and I am not worried bout the boogieman or anything like that. Maybe you have not noticed that most all of the news programs are fear mongerers, that is where they get people to keep tuning in to their programs. Jus turn the boob tube off and live your lives........

The news has been slow lately. Putin got what he wanted ie a coastal port and an industrial section of Ukraine that makes Russian weaponry. Russia just couldn't afford to take all of Ukraine. Now Putin can greatly influence Ukraine without owning it. Slowly but surely the Soviet Union is being put back together, but under a different name. The Russian Federation will take more land and countries when these sanctions fade away

Unlike somebody on this forum, this guy has actually lived in Russia:

http://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/09/22/putins-anti-modern-empire/16048231/

Michael Khodarkovsky: Putin's anti-modern empire

"Historically, Russia's expansion was driven by geopolitical and ideological concerns, which almost always trumped any commercial and economic considerations. Russia's expansion was also opportunistic. Moscow pushed as far as it could, routinely disregarding treaties signed with other empires and pledges given to local rulers.

The expansion stopped only when Russia encountered a viable threat of force from an equal power or stumbled into wars it could not win. For example, throughout the first half of the 19th century, taking advantage of the collapsing Ottoman Empire, Russia greatly expanded in the Balkans and Caucasus. Neither the international treaties signed by Russia nor the proxy wars supported by the European empires could change its behavior.

When the European powers finally realized that if unchecked, the Russian forces would soon occupy the Ottoman capital, Istanbul, and control the strategic Bosporus strait, Britain and France sided with the Ottomans in a war against Russia, which became known as the Crimean War (1853-56). Russia suffered a humiliating defeat, and its ambitions in the Balkans and the Middle East were temporarily deflated.

A decade later Russia moved east, conquering Central Asia and advancing toward the Pacific......."

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

Unlike somebody on this forum, this guy has actually lived in Russia:

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@SP : how about you calm down ?

Russia is now saying they will do the same thing in break away republics. They say they will do so to protect Russian speaking people. Looks like the only thing Russians understand is Military might. They will keep going if NATO does nothing militarily to stop them. Putin says he will put more money into Cruise missiles etc to counter NATO. Hard to believe at one Point Putin was considering joining NATO. Russia's economy was growing because of trade with the West. But Russian leaders don't care about that if they have to play second fiddle to the US when it comes to influencing world events. So in comes the Russian Federation

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Originally posted by omuh

@SP : how about you calm down ?

Wonder why nobody posts in the forums anymore? Take a look in the mirror. This place has gone to shit. The site owner barely interacts and gives zero direction as to how he wants his site run, mods don't do their jobs, and the mod boss thinks people over react when they're being insulted and mocked.

I'm done.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Wonder why nobody posts in the forums anymore? Take a look in the mirror. This place has gone to shit. The site owner barely interacts and gives zero direction as to how he wants his site run, mods don't do their jobs, and the mod boss thinks people over react when they're being insulted and mocked.

I'm done.

I'm sorry we can't bend to rules to suit your ego.
You haven't been insulted and if you can't handle a cutting remark here and there and react like an adult, I would suggest you to not wander on the internet.
On the other hand, what you posted earlier was not over-reacting, but straight out insult and this is not allowed, even for you.

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

Russia is now saying they will do the same thing in break away republics. They say they will do so to protect Russian speaking people. Looks like the only thing Russians understand is Military might. They will keep going if NATO does nothing militarily to stop them. Putin says he will put more money into Cruise missiles etc to counter NATO. Hard to believe at one Point Putin was considering joining NATO. Russia's economy was growing because of trade with the West. But Russian leaders don't care about that if they have to play second fiddle to the US when it comes to influencing world events. So in comes the Russian Federation

Dude you have a major man crush on Putin.

Just posting facts. Russia is expanding. Russia is sending their Warplanes to the US borders and challenging our defenses. Our Jets scrambled recently a few times to meet Russian warplanes. Some day soon all this will lead to a confrontation between Russia and NATO. WW3 in the making. So why make light of it unknown? Putin can't back down and still stay in power. He has pretty much killed the Russian economy. Nothing much left except taking over other countries

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

Just posting facts. Russia is expanding. Russia is sending their Warplanes to the US borders and challenging our defenses. Our Jets scrambled recently a few times to meet Russian warplanes. Some day soon all this will lead to a confrontation between Russia and NATO. WW3 in the making. So why make light of it unknown? Putin can't back down and still stay in power. He has pretty much killed the Russian economy. Nothing much left except taking over other countries

Wow, I did not know Putin was flying warplanes all over the USA. (Some of the planes were being flown by him personally. This is a well known fact after all.) So all these planes I keep see flying overhead aren't commercial aircraft but war planes from Russia preparing to invade us ala Red Dawn.

Putin is a Dictator. Everyone else in their government is a rubber stamper:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/19/russia-planes-over-arctic_n_5852930.html

"Canadian and American fighter jets were scrambled to intercept Russian war planes over the Arctic in two separate incidents this week.

Norad, the North American Aerospace Defence Command, says the Russian planes did not violate Canadian or U.S. airspace in either case.

Norad spokesman Lt. Col. Michael Jazdyk says the first incident occurred Wednesday night west of Alaska when American fighter jets intercepted six Russian aircraft, including fighter jets and bombers.

He says in the early hours of Thursday morning two Canadian CF-18 fighter jets intercepted two Russian bombers over the Beaufort sea.

It's not uncommon for Russian planes to fly in the area and Norad routinely sends fighters up to investigate.

Jazdyk says Canadian or American fighters have intercepted some 50 Russian planes over the last five years.

The aircraft intercepted this week stayed in international air space but were flying in an area called the Air Defence Identification Zone, jointly administered by Canadian and American civil and military air authorities............."

Well look at this. Obama 's Russian Sanctions are having an effect on Russia--big time. Putin may not care but it seems wealthy Russians and other higher ups care. You may have a civil war between those that at least want economic freedom and those that want Putins state control of everything:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-05/putin-clans-said-gridlocked-over-arrest-as-sanctions-bite.html

I thought this was a interesting article on how some Ukrainians yearn for the Soviet Union days:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/world/europe/rebels-in-eastern-ukraine-dream-of-reviving-soviet-heyday.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMediaHigh&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


“There is a lot of pompous celebration of the victory over fascism, a love for Soviet abbreviations, symbols and monuments,” said Vladimir Solovyov, a journalist with the Russian newspaper Kommersant, who was raised in Transnistria, which is sometimes called a sliver of the Soviet Union.

Such Soviet nostalgia may seem farcical to Westerners, yet where it has been institutionalized in these pro-Russian enclaves, it has been well received by the citizenry.

“They accept the repression because they know nothing else,” said Mr. Solovyov, who moved away when he was 16. “People don’t want to talk politics because nobody wants to be fired and lose the small salary they receive. We had a lot of elections, but the same person always won.”

While there may be a cartoonish hue to the anachronisms here and elsewhere in the former Soviet sphere where unreformed Communist institutions have popped up — in Belarus or Turkmenistan, for example — they mask the darkly serious human rights abuses that critics say are endemic in such systems.

Dmytro O. Potekhin, a Ukrainian political activist, was held for 48 days in a detention center in Donetsk that was set up in an industrial-themed modern art center called Isolation. To clear space for the prison, fighters with the Donetsk People’s Republic smashed art in the gallery, including a large outdoor installation of mirrors that they found objectionable."