Obama Care

and these are facts, so they cannot be racist, but those are the facts of why Clinton lowered the lending standards....it was to increase the ownership percentage of houses by minorities, that is historical fact....

lol, yeah, the worst global financial crisis in 70 years was caused by US "minorities" buying houses, but please tell me again how you're not racist.

ah, love to use that word..... Who defaulted on the loans that caused the collapse???? It wasnt buying houses it was who bought houses they couldnt afford due to loosened standards and then couldnt pay their loans back and went into foreclosure.... statistically what was the higher percentage of people who defaulted.... go ahead find it......

hate to have those facts, but there are there, sorry that the facts are just facts, and there isnt some larger racist conspiracy for you......but a quick search shows it to be true.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/research-analysis/foreclosures-by-race-and-ethnicity.pdf

We have estimated that two million families have lost their primary homes and that African-
American and Latino borrowers have borne and will continue to disproportionately bear the burden
of foreclosures

Off topic. This thread is about Obamacare. Keep it there.

Also, I said I'm done responding to you. I don't have time to walk you through every topic on which you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work. Just assume that whatever you said was thoroughly debunked by me, and then that you came back and ignored all the debunking and changed the topic slightly, though again to something you are wrong about.

I read the other day where Hospitals made 440,000 errors in one year with it comes to dealing with patients health. So bad that before Surgeries 2 people have to confirm the Surgeon is performing the right procedure ie cut off the right foot instead of the left foot etc. They have to have a written check list. Incompetent doctors can get fired from one hospital and move to the next and we have no way to check their back ground. The ONLY recourse for the victims is lawsuits. They take out the wrong body part--what ya going to do? Operate on the wrong side if the brain--it has happened. Leave a surgical tool in your body--it has happened many times. Hospitals give you the wrong medicine and it kills you--has happened.
For Obama care to work, the young people have to get the Insurance. The young health people will pay for the old sickly types. Right now many young may opt for the fine. But as fines go up they may change their minds
Subsidized people will probably opt for terrible insurance for cheap. I guess it is better than nothing but not by much. Even the $200(with subsidy) per month will leave you in a lot of debt with a serious illness.
I was saying many of us have large house payments. Utility bills going up regularly. Groceries are over $100 per week for 2 people. The poor will get the largest subsidies. The middle class will get some subsidy but you are still looking at $300+ per month after the subsidy for a policy that won't leave you deep in debt after cancer or a heart attack etc.
Yes many people lose their jobs after or during a serious illness. Then they can no longer pay the INS premium. Then they are screwed. Might as well be dead
Back when health care first started, it wasn't so much for profit. Doctors didn't get wealthy. Now health care in the US is a $$$billion++ No money in cures. Lots of money for using Chemotherapy--which most of the time is worse than the illness. Lots of money in research that leads nowhere. New drugs that have 100 side effects. Much like there is big money to be made fighting Wars. The fight is more profitable than actually winning. Just my opinion

Damn politics can really fire the motor of conversation on all cylinders.Impeach Obama downsize the EPA let's make America the powerful nation it used to be.

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Originally posted by thegame14

I don't think you get it. Obama's goal is to MAKE/FORCE as many people as possible to be dependent on the government for their income/insurance/subsidies that they have to vote for democrats in perpetuity. His next big goal is to get these illegal criminals to become citizens because they mostly voted democrat. He is trying to destroy the two party system and make it so that democrats can never lose an election. Our country will also be broke, lazy and unsafe, but that doesn't matter, only elections matter. He hardly has our best concerns in mind. At best he is anti-capitalism, but he might just be anti-American....

EXACTLY!!!.....You are spot on thegame14

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Originally posted by EricLindros

Off topic. This thread is about Obamacare. Keep it there.

Also, I said I'm done responding to you. I don't have time to walk you through every topic on which you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work. Just assume that whatever you said was thoroughly debunked by me, and then that you came back and ignored all the debunking and changed the topic slightly, though again to something you are wrong about.

...Once again EricLindros hates the true facts & bails out.
They do go hand in hand.
Great points & facts thegame14

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Originally posted by thegame14

you got if fabricator. You hear people all the time saying how they are on welfare, getting FOOD STAMPS, stop calling it EBT or now SNAP, it is FOOD STAMPS, and they get low income housing and allowances for heat, and the ALWAYS HAVE KIDS, multiple kids, and NO FATHER IN SIGHT!!! they all have obama phones and smoke pot and have no desire to get a job or be anything productive, and worse yet, their kids do the same, and we now have generational welfare, because there is no incentive to get off it, no incentive to have their children not be in the system

Thanks for standing up & speaking the TRUTH!!

Republican Governor Romney has a Health care plan too. So we were screwed no matter who was elected:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

I'm curious all the new social projects the advancement of equality.Who will fund this idea when were in a trillion dollar debt range.I am personally considered the high end of middle class living in so. California every year it seems as if its more of a struggle to pay for lives simple needs why is this my heath care coverage just went up my coverage is worse its costing more to get to work my water bill just increased power increased and why Please tell me?

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Originally posted by thegame14

of course, YOU dont get it.. The economy gets better in the SHORT RUN when you get big government because they can take on debt to add jobs and create economic activity, that is less productive than private business, so of course short term it makes the economy better, but it relies on DEBT, which cripples the economy LONG TERM

And how much DEBT did each president ADD?????? Obama has added more DEBT THAT EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I would say THAT is shit hitting the fan. That is not even fathomable by any reasonable person... how can one president raise the debt more in 5 years than every single president has in the entire history of our country??? And it was all on him, no trying to do the blame bush for the wars crap, no intelligent person believes that media nonsense.....

Well said thegame.
The debt is a HUGE issue & How about all the money he keeps printing? HOLD ON all you people sitting in the wagon, while us workers are pulling the handle.
There is way to many sitting as we support them.

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Originally posted by FABRICATOR

I'm curious all the new social projects the advancement of equality.Who will fund this idea when were in a trillion dollar debt range.I am personally considered the high end of middle class living in so. California every year it seems as if its more of a struggle to pay for lives simple needs why is this my heath care coverage just went up my coverage is worse its costing more to get to work my water bill just increased power increased and why Please tell me?

Fabricator...This is Obummers crap of "redistribution of wealth" you are feeling it first hand. Take from the hard working that bust their asses to build a business or wealth & give it "for free" to the ones sitting on the sidlines doing nothing.
The ellections are ......The people WORKING FOR A LIVING against the people VOTING FOR A LIVING.
The problem is the the dems are the ones voting for a living. We keep working harder to keep our lifestyle but that just gives them more as well.......Redistribution sucks!!

I believe staying on topic of Obamacare the better scenerio for healthcare is to let out of state ins. Companies private companies fight for the peoples business through competition.The disadvantaged will continue to walk in E.R its the way it is because the Obama care structure will still leave millions uninsured .

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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Also, wrong again.

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Bush 43 wins, you lose.

If you're going by percentage increase, which is probably a slightly better way to do it, GW Bush is 4th, Reagan is 3rd, Wilson is 2nd and Roosevelt is first, because World Wars are expensive.


Maybe consider spending less time posting wrong things and more time reading up on issues you think you know about but really don't.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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(Needs more exclamation marks)

Also, wrong again.

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Bush 43 wins, you lose.

If you're going by percentage increase, which is probably a slightly better way to do it, GW Bush is 4th, Reagan is 3rd, Wilson is 2nd and Roosevelt is first, because World Wars are expensive.


Maybe consider spending less time posting wrong things and more time reading up on issues you think you know about but really don't.

Wrong again Lindros....You need to quit getting you incorrect numbers from a democratic web site!!

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Originally posted by EricLindros

lol, yeah, the worst global financial crisis in 70 years was caused by US "minorities" buying houses, but please tell me again how you're not racist.

OUCH!...Truth hurts??
The race card strikes again like usual when the back is against the wall.....or truth is shared in this case!
It's not racial, it's factual...

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Originally posted by moss

Wrong again Lindros....You need to quit getting you incorrect numbers from a democratic web site!!

It was the first result that google spit out for my search. I'm sorry you don't like the internet when it disagrees with you. Either way, the way to measure across decades is by percentage increase, or increase as a percentage of GDP or something that corrects for inflation values. Comparing dollars to dollars from 2013 to 1776 is ridiculous.

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OUCH!...Truth hurts??
The race card strikes again like usual when the back is against the wall.....or truth is shared in this case!
It's not racial, it's factual...

Not Obamacare, but did you notice that Ireland also had a financial crisis? That Greece had one as well? That the contagion spread through Spain and Portugal and Germany, etc. How many American minorities were buying houses in Ireland and Portugal and Spain and Greece, etc.?

The financial crisis was caused by a lot of factors, but the most important was the worldwide tendency for banks try to make more money by securitizing mortgages and other dodgy assets. It was because when those risky bets failed the Glass Stegall Act, which has served to separate retail everyday banking from investment banking, had been eliminated by the Gramm-Leech-Bliley Act. So as the investment arms of these banks fell they were tied to the retail banking side of things, bringing everything down with it. That's why a Wall St. crisis turned into a crisis throught the rest of the economy, which didn't happen during the S&L crisis, or during the crash of 1987, or during the crash associated with the LTCM bailout, or during the popping of the tech bubble in the late 90s, or the Asian or Russian financial crises of the same time.

the truth is the government is printing money that is worthless its called fiat money it has ruined the economy is all over the world for centuries look it up we spend an 85 billion dollars a month taking on debt and telling everybody is creating jobs the government is about to fall at some point in time you cannot borrow or print any more money. when that happens you have two classes of people the ultra-rich and the dirt poor how do you keep the dirt poor from rebellion against the ultra-rich you disarm them that's the other thing they're trying to do

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Originally posted by robert98597

the truth is the government is printing money that is worthless its called fiat money it has ruined the economy is all over the world for centuries look it up we spend an 85 billion dollars a month taking on debt and telling everybody is creating jobs the government is about to fall at some point in time you cannot borrow or print any more money. when that happens you have two classes of people the ultra-rich and the dirt poor how do you keep the dirt poor from rebellion against the ultra-rich you disarm them that's the other thing they're trying to do

robert98597 bing. bing, bing...You are spot on!
Any financial expert will tell you that as well. They are actualy predicting it to be sometime in 2014 due to the mass money being printed under the obama admin.