Obama Care

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Originally posted by thegame14

so because a parent commits a crime, which includes transporting a criminal who is the baby, we should reward them with citizenship,

No, I asked you why you would deny medical care to another human being. You haven't given me a satisfactory response.

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Originally posted by game

or even worse, allow them to stay here as the ciminals they are and not pay any taxes and likely the money they do make goes back to mexico or wherever they are from and takes money out of our economy. And I am not saying our life is necessarily more valuable, but it actually is, because of our future earnings, so in fact our lives are more valuable then theirs.... but that is besides they point, we couldnt go to china and have kids for free or work without paying taxes, could we??? Every service they get drives up the price for the tax paying citizens... and it is not right... Do you think a criminal should have the same rights as a law abiding citizen??? And since I have seen this argument many times before, their existence in our country is a crime, your obama bought and paid for media can try and change the language like they love to do to make people ignore facts, but THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS WHICH IS A CRIME FOR BEING HERE!!! EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN IS A CRIMINAL BY EXISTING HERE!!!!! It isnt an undocumented worker, only a moron would say or believe that, but they also call it planned parenthood, not planned abortion, or family planning not abortion planning, or they call the tea party "extremists" instead of logival people who want to preserve our constitution, the obama media machine loves to change the words to fool the morons, the problem is they are everywhere..... how else would he have won re-election???? Fool me once.....

I would refute all of this, because it's clearly racist, jingoist, xenophobic garbage, but I would hope others can see that for themselves without my having to point it out, and I know it'll all be lost on you as you ignore facts presented to you and just blabber your inane (and frequently wrong) opinions backed up by nothing more than conjecture and talk-radio scare quotes.

I will say, however, that if you think the value of a human being is dependent upon their wages you are just operating on a level so foreign to me I can't have a conversation with you. What were Nelson Mandella's wages throughout the 70s and 80s? What were Mother Theresa's? Ghandi's? Martin Luther King's? Jesus'? Does it matter, even in the slightest, when considering their worth as humans?

racist, how can someone being a criminal be racist, I dont care what country or race they are, if you are not a citizen, you dont belong here, no matter what race..... But nice try as using insults....

And how is one life worth more than another go ask an actuary about how they calculate insurance values....

And nothing you say is more than liberal media feed garbage that the sheep like to spit out, so you will never understand

You're racist because you dislike people who are not like you. You explicitly stated that you value the lives of others nationalities less than you value the lives of Americans. The first country that just happened to pop out of your keyboard when talking about immigrants was Mexico, and then you stated your fear of Iran. What is the most obvious commonality between those two groups? Your "illegal criminals" comments are also racist dog whistling. What you mean to say is "non-white criminals," because criminals are already illegal.

I'm not sure if you didn't take issue with the other labels because you agree that you are those things, or you just don't understand what they mean.

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Originally posted by game

And nothing you say is more than liberal media feed garbage that the sheep like to spit out, so you will never understand

Almost all the non value-judgement comments I've made have been factual, as you can tell by me citing actual sources for the things I'm saying. Nearly everything you've said has been neocon talking points, supported by...well, nothing. But sure, just dismiss statistical evidence of thing things I'm saying out of hand because you don't like it. Clearly the sign of an elite mind.

no they are criminals, because they break the law of having to be a citizen to be here legally, no matter what race they are.... I said mexico cause most of the 44M illegal aliens are from there, which is a fact..... trying to call someone racist because you don't agree with them is at a minimum childish.....but more likely the same liberal mind set of calling names to belittle people who don't agree with you like calling the tea party extreme, or someone who thinks people committing crimes are criminals, so you call them racist... these are the kinds of dangerous things the media creates.... the things they like, get better names like food stamps, becomes EBT, which becomes SNAP, abortion becomes family planning, so the liberal media softens all the things they like and then uses extreme language for the things that are against their agenda.... and of course part of their agenda is getting those 44M illegal criminals to become voting citizens to vote for them, ..... Seems like they got another sheep to follow them blindly......

How can me calling someone who is an illegal criminal and illegal criminal.... There are here illegally, which makes them a criminal, so that is exactly what they are.... is a dog not a dog, or a cat not a cat, a person living in the United States without a citizenship or valid visa is an illegal criminal, there is no way around that FACT.

Please explain how they are NOT illegal criminals?? Are they here legally??? YES or NO... If the answer is NO, then they are illegal....

Is being in this country illegally, a crime??? YES of NO.... If the answer is YES, which it has to be, then they are in fact illegal criminals....

Is that simple enough?

fear of IRAN, the most evil country in the world, who has said their mission is to whip Isreal off the map, potentially getting a weapon which could accomplish said mission, how is anyone not be afraid of that?

A person who commits a crime is a criminal, as they've done something illegal. All criminals have done something illegal. The point is it's redundant, and so there's got to be a reason why you're putting that second, useless word there (it's almost as if you're using especially harsh language to vilify a group of people! Gosh, only a lubrul would do such a thing like manipulate language for their benefit!)

It's like saying, "that lady is a white, non-black person," or calling a cow a "moo cow."

And finally, i don't call people racists because I disagree with them, I call them racists because I the things they say or do lead me to believe they're racist. I wrote a whole big long response to the original poster of this thread, disagreeing with him at nearly every turn, yet I never once called him a racist.

Oh, P.S. - I don't consider myself a liberal. I'm a humanist. I think human beings should be treated as equally as possible, regardless of their race, nationality, country of birth, citizenship status, sexual preferences,etc. You, on the other hand, think Americans are some special class of people because they happened to be born in a place with a better economy than the places where other people were born. That's very strange to me.

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Originally posted by thegame14

fear of IRAN, the most evil country in the world, who has said their mission is to whip Isreal off the map, potentially getting a weapon which could accomplish said mission, how is anyone not be afraid of that?

One, because they never said that (continuing your valiant quest to be the person who has single-handedly said the most factually incorrect things in the history of the internet):
"Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse. "

...and because there's only one country in the history of civilization that has used nuclear weapons against a political foe, and you happen to live in that one.

Also, I'd argue that North Korea is a more "evil" country than Iran. And they actually already have nuclear weapons.

Think for yourself, man. Don't let Sean Hannity do it for you, because his head is really just a giant Lego.

that is what the liberal media teaches people to say.... They are illegal criminals, they cant be anything else... but the liberals hijack language because they control the media...
The things they like, get better terms, softer ones, so FOOD STAMPS, becomes EBT, that got a negative conotation when people realized it was still food stamps so let's try again and call is SNAP, Supplemental, nutrition, assistance, all soft words, that isnt like food stamps it is supplemental and nutrition...... And Abortion is killing babies, it becomes family planning... See Softer words

The things/people they don't like or who don't support their ideas we give harsh worse, so the tea party lets call them extremists.... People who dont support legalizing those illegal criminals, we call them racist, because it has nothing to do with them breaking laws that we don't like, it must just be their skin, so let's focus on that to try to diminish their point and instead of it being about our economy and right and wrong, we make it about race......

It is subtle but effective for the feeble minds that are out there in far too many numbers....

So you think everyone gets treated the same, this isn't some liberal utopia with Michael jackson having everyone hold hands while he sings heal the world..... Our world is capitalism, it means the rich get more and the poor should work harder to better themselves and earn more to get those things that the rich have, that is how our world works.... There is no way around it, the world currency is money and whoever has more gets more.... sorry Santa is also not real and life isn't a happy ending for everyone.... Hate to bring reality into your world....

So you are saying that HAMAS, has never said it wants to whip Isreal off the map..... Even though that is their mission statement, and they supported.... IRAN!!! he is right and I am wrong, just because the president cant say it because the world would condemn it, doesn't mean it inst their wish.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159476#.UqLWheKndF8

And yes HAMAS is not IRAN, but it has a lot of influence, and the country supports the group so therefore they support their missions statement, or else they would not harbor HAMAS not fund it.

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Originally posted by thegame14

And how much DEBT did each president ADD?????? Obama has added more DEBT THAT EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Needs more exclamation marks)

Also, wrong again.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm

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President Barack Obama: Added $5.081 trillion, a 44% increase to the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to Bush's at the end of his last budget, FY 2009.

FY 2013 - $672 billion.
FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion.
FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion.
FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion.
FY 2009 - $253 billion. (Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt.)

President George W. Bush: Added $5.849 trillion, a 101% increase to the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton's last budget, FY 2001.

FY 2009 - $1.632 trillion. (Bush's deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act).
FY 2008 - $1.017 trillion.
FY 2007 - $501 billion.
FY 2006 - $574 billion.
FY 2005 - $554 billion.
FY 2004 - $596 billion.
FY 2003 - $555 billion.
FY 2002 - $421 billion.

Bush 43 wins, you lose.

If you're going by percentage increase, which is probably a slightly better way to do it, GW Bush is 4th, Reagan is 3rd, Wilson is 2nd and Roosevelt is first, because World Wars are expensive.


Maybe consider spending less time posting wrong things and more time reading up on issues you think you know about but really don't.

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Originally posted by thegame14

that is what the liberal media teaches people to say....

Also known as, "People who use the English language properly."

North Korea doesn't harbor a terrorist organization like HAMAS who has said their mission is to whip isreal off the map.... and yes north korea is evil country #2, and should never have been allowed to get nuclear weapons, and they are now the poster child showing IRAN how it is done, and they will get them as well in the next 2 years is something drastic isnt done ASAP>

HAMAS is in Palestine, you nudnik. Buy a damn map.

And Iran has never said it wants to wipe (the misquote is "wipe Israel off the map," not whip) Israel off the map, like you originally claimed.

I'm done with you. Literally nothing you say is correct.

http://thenationaldebtcrisis.com/the-national-debt-by-president/

Bush added less than Obama and he did it in 8 years, vs Obama in 5, so you have to take Obama's 5 years and add another 60% to compare apples to oranges, which will make him adding more than double what Bush added.....

Also Bush had to defend out country from the largest attack since WW2, Obama has had nothing similar to cause him to raise the debt other than to create big government... you can keep trying, though

Cool, so I guess you're going to retract your scare comment with all those caps-locked words and "unfathomable" this and that with dozens of exclamations back in post #40, right?

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Originally posted by thegame14

Also Bush had to defend out country from the largest attack since WW2, Obama has had nothing similar to cause him to raise the debt other than to create big government... you can keep trying, though

Yeah, Obama only had to deal with the largest financial catastrophe since the Great Depression. No big deal.

Ok, done now.

yeah and funded by who? I wrote located in, but meant to say funded by, it is 3AM.....

Financial Support:

Hamas enjoys strong financial backing from Iran (an estimated $20 - $30 million), private benefactors and Muslim charities in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, Palestinian expatriates across the globe and American donors. Its budget has been estimated at $70 million and 85 percent of it reportedly comes from abroad; the remaining 15 percent is raised among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. A number of Americans and U.S.-based charities have been implicated in funneling money to Hamas. It is estimated that Saudi Arabia continues to channel between $12 - $14 million to Hamas annually. At a June 2003 press conference, Adel al-Jubeir, a senior adviser to the Saudi Crown Prince, did acknowledge that many Palestinian institutions funded by the Saudis may be run or managed by the political wing of Hamas.

do you fund a group that you disagree with what they stand for, or does that mean that you agree with them????

yeah, financial collapse caused by the loosening of lending standards which was put in place by BILL CLINTON, because he won election on support from minorities and he paid them back by loosening lending standards which help minorities to buy houses which they couldnt afford, because just like Obama now, back then everyone had a "RIGHT" to own a house, now everyone has a "RIGHT" to healthcare.... this lead to risky mortgages and people paying less than 20% down payments and having lower FICO scores to buy a house, which is what caused the collapse, the sub prime loans given to people who should never have had those loans given to them, but it was politically incorrect that they didnt have the "RIGHT" to own a house.....