Obama

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Originally posted by kackarot

it just sucks that our president hates us so much

You mean because he'd like you to be able to move between jobs without the fear of loosing your insurance because the cancer you were diagnosed with a couple of years ago is now a pre-existing condition?

Or maybe it's because the Justice Department now goes out and talks with farmers who have been complaining for years that big agriculture uses anti-trust practices to drive them out of business, instead of just tweeking the deals that big-Ag corporations make.

Is it because he doesn't want the US to torture people in our name anymore?

I bet it's because he wants teachers to be paid based on how well they teach instead of how long they've been in their job. That's a sure sign that he hates our kids.

Seriously man, where do you get this from?

...and his birth announcement that appear in his home state newspaper 49 years ago? Someone faked that in 1960?

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Originally posted by Assman!

So far the majority says Kenya! Why in the hell are we not standing up and fighting this injustice? He should not be allowed to be the U.S. President!
Hell I wouldnt really care but rules are rules! I guess this is the change he preached about! He hasnt done a whole hell of alot for America hes a fucking show boat elected by those who beleived the hype (media).

Actually, things have been changing.... Isn't that why there's all this protest against him? That he's harming America? If he hasn't done anything, I would really expect the critics to quiet down about all the bad things he's doing.

And, several economic indicators have made a turn around since Obama's election, which take about 9-12 months for the effects to trickle down to the American people. He's also addressing important health care issues which have been ignored by politicians for quite a while. If there's no change on that front, we can chalk it up to vehement opposition from the right.

And I'd have to bet that you actually do care, and it's more than just the rules....

Okay, I know someone posted a link to Obama's certificate of live birth, but it didn't work for me. I think this thread- while interesting at times- is on the whole sort of ridiculous. Obama was born in Hawaii, and I'm not sure how this is even being debated. So far, the people that have been saying he was born in Kenya are relying on what? A birth record that says he was born there? Nope. Apparently his grandmother said that at some point.

There was an insinuation that Obama's certification of live birth is not equal to a birth certificate. Okay. Not sure why. They are different documents, but they are equal in terms of legitimacy. In Hawaii, both birth certificates and certifications of live birth are primary official government records documenting an individual's birth.

Is there a law that sets out certain stipulations regarding how long Obama's mother would have had to be a US citizen? Yes. But it doesn't matter, because it only is applicable if he was born outside of the United States. I can't believe that people think it's a real issue. There's ample evidence showing that that he was born in Hawaii, and amidst all the vocal response by the critics, I haven't seen anything that could be considered remotely conclusive or persuasive indicating that he was born in Kenya, or anywhere other than Hawaii.

And as an aside, since this thread really seemed to move that way, race certainly is an issue in the way opposition is presented to Obama and his policies. Not to say that people don't have valid concerns/criticisms of what he's enacting, but race is still playing a role.

Just look at some poster's responses in this thread. One Obama critic on this thread claimed that the people who voted Obama only see a black baby and a white baby shaking hands. Others have emphasized that Obama's middle name is HUSSEIN. And they need to capitalize, just to make sure that everyone notices that Obama does in fact have a middle name commonly given to Muslims. People can pretend that there are no racial insinuations there, but any arguments along those lines are ludicrous. For the previous 8 years, the political right wingers in the US worked very hard to engender a feeling of both fear and hatred for Islams, effectively branding them as the enemy terrorists. How the middle name had any bearing in any of the relevant discussion brought up in this thread is beyond me.

And if you watch any of the protesters for Obama, you'll see plenty of people with signs emphasizing his middle name. Or saying things like Obama believes in "white slavery." My favorite was the this guy holding a sign that said "Dis homie don't roll like dat." Race plays no role? If only I could be naive enough to believe that. People may have valid arguments against his policy decisions, and that's all fine, but if he were white and his middle name was whiter, the tone of at least SOME of the criticisms would change.

And what's he trying to hide by not making his transcripts public? I don't know. Does it really matter? Transcripts are private and not a matter of public record. I'm personally a little surprised that any politician would release their transcripts. I wouldn't release my law school transcript to the public. I'm not trying to hide anything, but unless you're a potential employer- it's really none of your business. And I'm sure he's not trying to hide bad grades. He was the editor of the Harvard Law Review while there. For those of you non-law people... that's a huge deal. You have to be creepy smart to get into Harvard Law. To be the editor of their law review, you have to be kinda creepy smart compared to the other law students.

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Originally posted by jg_butters

Transcripts are private and not a matter of public record. I'm personally a little surprised that any politician would release their transcripts. I wouldn't release my law school transcript to the public. I'm not trying to hide anything, but unless you're a potential employer- it's really none of your business.

One could argue that anyone who runs for public office is in essence applying for a job where the employers are the electorate.

I think that not releasing records that are not required by law is more because if document A and document B are both known to exist, and you release document A then everyone becomes obsessed with document B. No matter what it is. Soon you have a cascading effect that consumes more time than it's worth. This is something that many public officials adhere to.

I don't know of any President who has released school transcripts. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I just don't remember it happening.

Maybe the silliest thread we've seen here.

Nothing so silly as the energized peeps on the left and the right. Both suck big time.

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Originally posted by DaveWa

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One could argue that anyone who runs for public office is in essence applying for a job where the employers are the electorate...

I don't know of any President who has released school transcripts. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I just don't remember it happening.

You could argue that. But I don't really think it makes sense. If you apply for a job where certain grades or a certain degree is required, then by all means you'll have to supply a transcript. However, as far as I know, there is no requirement that you have even a college degree to be the President. Thus, I really don't understand why a certain few people are so determined to see Obama's. To me, the academic accolades he received speak volumes as to his intelligence, and the fact that he was licensed to practice law says he did alright. Being admitted to the bar isn't easy, especially since the bar review board in any state will deny or significantly delay application for even the smallest of discrepancies.

And if no President before Obama has released school transcripts... then why ask now? If people are really that upset about not knowing, they could just go ahead and not vote for him. If we're going to weigh candidate legitimacy on the individual's grades, I have to say I would pick Obama's unknown grades at Harvard Law that were good enough to allow him to be the editor of their law review over McCain's class rank of 894 out of 899 at the Naval Academy.

I think that its not necessarily what his grades are that started the whole deal about his education. I think its snow balled (yes I said that) after the info of Obama receiving tuition assistance as a foreign national. You gotta admit that is a little weird! Im not an extremist on this topic just trying to hear other peoples opinions on this topic. I do think too many people are obsessed with where Obama was born! I personally think Kenya but I dont spend all my time obsessing about it I have better things to do! I do luv to hear everyone elses take on the subject. Do I think Obama will be kicked out of Office? Absolutely not but its still an interesting topic in my opinion

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Originally posted by Assman!

I personally think Kenya

*looks over the evidence of Obama's birthplace that is actually posted in this thread*



Oh well, everyone has their own opinion on stuff...

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Originally posted by Honda_X

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*looks over the evidence of Obama's birthplace that is actually posted in this thread*

Oh well, everyone has their own opinion on stuff...

That's kinda what I was thinking. Oh well. I guess I do believe in the First Amendment's right to express your belief, even if there's little/no basis for it.

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Originally posted by Assman!

I think its snow balled (yes I said that) after the info of Obama receiving tuition assistance as a foreign national. You gotta admit that is a little weird!

Okay. I'll grant that that is a little weird. And I'll admit that I don't actually know the answer to that one.

If I had to guess (and it is guessing), I would think that whatever school it was that gave him tuition assistance as a foreign national had a broad definition of what would qualify as a foreign national, so as to include individuals born to non-U.S. citizens.

I'm sure there's a pretty easy answer to it, I would bet that it's been made public on more than one occasion... I haven't seen any actual evidence that he did receive financial aid as a foreign national, anyway. However, I have heard that there was a rumor circulating that he received financial aid as a foreign national that began on April 1st.

The basis of the "foreign national" thing is due to the allegation that Barrack Obama had dual citizenship in both Kenya and the US until he was 21. Further, Obama is alledged to have been known as Barry Soetoro as a child (Soetora is apparently the last name of his stepfather)

I haven't researched any of this, but I believe FactCheck.org did confirm that there's some truth to it.

Ive never heard the part about him being called Barry Soetoro as a child. Hell who knows

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Originally posted by Tarquin

PS: On a whim I went ahead and did actual research. Factcheck.org is widely touted as a non-partisan truth in information site. It's been recommended by both Republicans (Dick Cheney endorsed the site during the 2000 campaign) and Democrats (Al Gore has also endorsed the site).

It's part of the Annenberg foundation.

In any case, a quick search there turns up Obama's birth certificate, and it's been checked on and found to be legitimate.

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A full-sized copy of it can be found [ Link ].

He was born in Hawaii, so I'm confused over what the fuss is.

Also, the idea that he was not born in the US to begin with is a [ Link ] that was started during the campaign. It's not true. He's a natural born US Citizen in every sense of the word.

Note: That doesn't make him a good President. It does however, make him legal to be one should he choose to do so.

I like all the skills they had in 1961 with the typewriters Also damn check out the laser printers in 1961! Give me a break

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Originally posted by Assman!

... I like all the skills they had in 1961 with the typewriters Also damn check out the laser printers in 1961! Give me a break

I don't even..

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Originally posted by Honda_X

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I don't even..

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