Obama

are we done with this yet???????????????????



Az(beer)

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Originally posted by kurt85

i like it how when white people say that obama sucks(which is obvious), its racist. why did everyone from the black community vote for him?? and they have the balls to call us racist

That is a valid point! This thread was not intended to involve race at all just peoples opinions as to Obama being a U.S. citizen eligible to be President of the United States! People have run with this and not just remembered the question. But hell thats ok its making this interesting. Therefore after the racist accusations so far in this thread You have indeed a Great point TY

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

John McCain was born in Panama. I wonder if you crazy-assed morons would be worried about that had he been elected.

Oh wait, he is a white guy. Nevermind.

MAybe you should know anything about the topic before you post somethign this stupid, he was born on an american military base which is considered US soil. Last time I checked Mombasa Kenya was not a military camp

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Originally posted by azdesertrat

are we done with this yet???????????????????



Az(beer)

There are alot of members on this site that may want to chime in! Why lock it? If your not liking it then well you know the rest!

I dont see how health care is racial. The only racial element, is the only thing that cant happen is that illegal immigrants get any kind of benefit with this plan. And since most illegal immigrants are mexican does that make it racial? or is it that they dont pay taxes are a drain on our financial system and just send them money back to mexico which takes the money out of our country and financial system??

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Originally posted by tbobb

1) Cast your educated votes for the candidates of your choosing.

Ok.

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Originally posted by tbobb

2) Let your elected officials know how you feel, not by screaming at some town hall meeting, but by writing or emailing them.

What? Why? People have every right to peaceably assemble at gatherings of their representatives and let them know how they feel. An email to a congressional staffer who sends back a form letter doesn't quite have the same effect.

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Originally posted by tbobb

3) Accept that you live in a democracy and you're not always going to get your way.

Ok.

However, I must point out your presentation of "Elected officials" is a bit disingenuous as the elected officials have rigged the game in favor of incumbents and are much more responsive to the corporate interests that pay for their elections, and often employ them after they're out of office, than they are Mr. Smith down the road. The average Joe doesn't have $3,000,000 laying around to run for Congress, and as such those people who provide said funds often reap benefits from such financing.

Also, as far as moderation of thread in general goes, race isn't the main issue here, so stop saying stupid things, like, "All black people voted for him" or other such nonsense.

Just sayin'

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Originally posted by thegame14

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MAybe you should know anything about the topic before you post somethign this stupid, he was born on an american military base which is considered US soil. Last time I checked Mombasa Kenya was not a military camp

I quite know something about the topic which is why I said it.

If you knew anything about the topic, you'd know a state in our union has stated that he was born in that state and satisfies the requirements set forth in our Constitution. If you had done any research, you'd have seen archived newspaper announcements from Hawaiian papers proclaiming the birth of the man 48 years ago. If you were following our legislature, you'd have seen a house resolution pass recently celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii as a state, in addition to acknowledging it as the birth place of our current President (a bill that received 0 "no" votes and 158 "yes" votes from Republicans). Mombasa Kenya has nothing to do with anything, because everyone involved has vouched for the man.

None of you will ever be satisfied with anything documents placed in front of you. But it doesn't matter cause he will be our President for the next 3 years and change.

And I am calling a fleet of folks racist and I'm as white as they come. I can't jump or nuthin. I'm just saying...why are all of you so worried about where he was born? It ain't cause you are worried about the constitution cause all of you probably voted for Bush and he didn't give a shit about the constitution. So the real reason is that you don't want him as President and declaring him ineligible is the fastest way to change the situation. But after 8 shit years of Bush where the deficit skyrocketed and the economy tanked, there is no way a sensible person would want more of that. So why would we so desperately want this particular guy gone? What about him triggers such a horrible reaction that you immediately need him out of the picture? What about him is so intolerable that you'd perpetuation this foolishness? I'm not saying everyone who challenges his birth place is a racist -- just the ones who show up with signs (cause only something emotional and ignorant like racism could motivate someone like that).

No, EL, race isn't the question here. I think race is why people are as keen to ask the question and will not accept any of the answers given. (and I totally agree about our fucked system and not having 3,000,000 laying around. If I had 3 million, I'd have a much bigger TV -- screw spending it on candidates)

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Originally posted by Assman!

...There are alot of members on this site that may want to chime in! Why lock it? If your not liking it then well you know the rest!

oh, i laugh at the fervor i've read about obama, but BO is now our president. good, bad, or indifferent, he's now "the man." i've been around a long time and lived thru alot of american history. from harry truman til now....nixon/agnew, gerry ford, that useless jimmy carter, clinton the dickmeister, dubya who just gave up, & now obama.

who cares?? nothing we say here is going to change anything!!

forget about this BO shit!!

tits & ass...that's what makes the world go 'round!!

Az

from the old guy here....what matters is tits & ass!!!

John McCain was born in Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama, BTW. Colon was outside of the US Canal zone, and thus he was not a natural born citizen if one only considers people born on US soil natural born citizens.

Of course, I consider someone who is, at the time of their birth, a US citizen a natural born citizen, so both he and Barack would qualify, but then, I'm weird and logical like that.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

What? Why? People have every right to peaceably assemble at gatherings of their representatives and let them know how they feel. An email to a congressional staffer who sends back a form letter doesn't quite have the same effect.

Yes they do, and this country has a long history of government by town meeting. Unfortunately, in the current climate you are far more likely to make an impact by writing than you are by shouting at a town meeting. Why? Because at the raucous meetings, you're just part of the noise, but when you write, the congressional staffer tallies all those letters and emails s/he's reading and tells the boss precisely which way their constituents are leaning, and by how much.

Which do you think has more impact?

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Originally posted by EricLindros

However, I must point out your presentation of "Elected officials" is a bit disingenuous as the elected officials have rigged the game in favor of incumbents and are much more responsive to the corporate interests that pay for their elections, and often employ them after they're out of office, than they are Mr. Smith down the road. The average Joe doesn't have $3,000,000 laying around to run for Congress, and as such those people who provide said funds often reap benefits from such financing.

Yes and no. While jerrymandering does provide some added security for incumbents of the party in power at the time, campaigning is really only effective at winning over uneducated (about the issues, not in general) voters, not those who have gone to the trouble to actually understand the issues at hand and the positions of the candidates. The reason Jefferson's vision of unfettered democracy struck terror into the hearts of so many of our founding fathers is because it depended on an engaged electorate, something history has clearly shown is not something one should count on. James Madison wrote about just this subject in Federalist #10, and it's why we have a "democratic republic," not a Jeffersonian democracy.

There's no question that money and power perturb the system, but that pesky First Amendment to the constitution makes it really, really hard to eliminate that influence. Of course, if you want to strip the ability to buy advertising from the moneyed class (after amending the constitution), you'd do well to remember one of Jefferson's quotes: "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

What it all boils down to is that the only ones who can change what's going on in Washington are the same ones complaining about it - the voters.

Question? Im asking because Im not 100% clear on this one. Why (this is what Im hearing) did Barack Hussein Obama receive tuition assistance from Occidental College as a Foreign National? Can someone help me out that seems pretty damn fishy to say the least!

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Originally posted by mrdorkbutt

Ultimately heath care has nothing to do with the rage. They'd opposed anything this guy was selling. He could be offering a bible in every public classroom, a flag in every hand and a life term for every abortion doctor. They wouldn't care, cause there is a black muslim Kenyan socialist selling it.

The difference between now and the 90's is that we have a President and a Congress that both support very liberal agendas, and there aren't enough party votes to prevent them from enacting those changes. I don't see how you can deny that Obama is proposing more radical changes than any other President in our most of our lifetimes. Your bible and abortion statement is ridiculous, if legislation as enacted for schools to start teaching Christianity, and/or Roe was overturned and abortion was again made illegal, there'd be just as much opposition from the left as there is to healthcare from the right.

I guess you can reduce political differences and idealogy to race if you want, but IMO you're the one that's hung up on color.

I think a lot of the animosity can be traced back to the lead-up to and aftermath of the 1994 congressional elections, when the "you're either with us or you're wrong" attitude in Washington seems to have become acceptable. While I'm sure race is a factor in some on the right's outrage, I don't think it's all that different than the accusations against Bubba and Dubya.

The minority is always more vocal than the majority, that's nothing new. What is new is the minority feeling they're entitled to some ration of moral outrage because the "other guy" is making the rules. Where they once would be disappointed but accepting of the democratic process and the notion that the "other guy" was just as patriotic and well-intentioned as they were, they now think nothing of calling everyone who doesn't agree with them unpatriotic, incompetent and even criminal.

Barack Obama is, by all accounts, a good and decent man with nothing but the best interests of his country at heart. The same is undoubtedly true of John McCain and, almost certainly, every presidential candidate in our lifetimes, even GWB. Given the opportunity, each and every one of them would make the decisions they thought were right, subject to the grey-ness of most of the decisions the president has to deal with and their own human frailties. And in every case, there would be millions of citizens who disagreed.

All that seems to have changed is the level of civility in the debate, and that is a truly unfortunate development.

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Originally posted by qmeshawn

Could he suck any less either way???

He could be Bush

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Originally posted by thegame14

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MAybe you should know anything about the topic before you post somethign this stupid, he was born on an american military base which is considered US soil. Last time I checked Mombasa Kenya was not a military camp

He was born in Colon Hospital in Colon Panama. Outside the canal zone not on a military base. Colon was under the sole control of Panama and was not in any way the jurisdiction of the U.S. His birth certificate is also available for viewing.

This is the most vitriolic thread I've seen here, it's disgusting.

An observation: When faced with the evidence that Hawaii has released Obama's birth certificate, copies of the newspaper announcement, and that the Hawai'i Secretary of State has stated that Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a US citizen, Birthers respond with profanity, insults and exclamation points.

it just sucks that our president hates us so much

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Originally posted by kackarot

it just sucks that our president hates us so much

That's ok.

I have it on good authority that the last one hated black people.

I'mma let you finish.