Mexico Tells Texas Not To Execute one of Their Citizens

Lol, comparisons to hitler.

Seriously? I don't think that there's any hope for this thread.

Come on, they are trolling so hard, it's obvious now...

Maybe typical North American prisons are violent, because thats how we as society makes them? We tell the inmates that they are worthless pieces of crap, and they believe it. Did either of you actually read the story about the Norwegian prison that EL posted?

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

Maybe typical North American prisons are violent, because thats how we as society makes them? We tell the inmates that they are worthless pieces of crap, and they believe it. Did either of you actually read the story about the Norwegian prison that EL posted?

OMG...That is hilarious!!
We made those wonderful humans violent & worthless pieces of crap....

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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Every human being adds something to the society they're in.

Every human life has value.

Don't you want to find out why these people did these acts? What if they can be rehabilitated? There's potential value in a life there.

Shouldn't the society be better than those in its lowest common denominator?

And, again, as it's a fairly important point, supporting capital punishment as it exists is supporting the state sanctioned execution of innocent people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Burton

Here's a local example. Graeme Burton emerged from prison for killing a man, six months later he murdered a young father. In a later prison incident Burton (who was missing a leg after being shot by police) nearly killed another prisoner.

Now Graeme may have some value but I struggle to see it. Does any value he has outweigh the ham he has caused?

Having said that, I think the death penalty is a blunt tool and don't believe there would be many instances where the weight of evidence is such that it should be applied.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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Every human being adds something to the society they're in.

Every human life has value.

Don't you want to find out why these people did these acts? What if they can be rehabilitated? There's potential value in a life there.

Shouldn't the society be better than those in its lowest common denominator?

And, again, as it's a fairly important point, supporting capital punishment as it exists is supporting the state sanctioned execution of innocent people.

How about we ask the families of the victims to answer these questions?
I bet they see NO value at all....None!!

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Originally posted by moss

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OMG...That is hilarious!!
We made those wonderful humans violent & worthless pieces of crap....

Once again you read what you want to read and ignore everything else. Did you actually read the article?

I'm not saying that we turn innocent law abiding citizens in to killers with our jails, but we do nothing to try and rehabilitate the violent criminals we send to them. All jail does is teach criminals and killers how to be better at it. As many of you have said, jail is a tough, tough place....its survival of the fittest....its kill or be killed. If we took that element out of prisons, its stands to reason that many of these people would drop that element of their personality that makes them violent, and be open to rehabilitation.

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Originally posted by moss

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How about we ask the families of the victims to answer these questions?
I bet they see NO value at all....None!!

Stop speaking for victims, your opinion is worthless unless you've been a victim of violent crime.

It's odd that in this very thread an actual victim of violent crime is more hesitant about the death penalty than some random fella who hasn't been in that position.

From here it looks like he just likes to see people he thinks are bad die. Psychopathy, perhaps?

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Originally posted by Althalus

Thou shall not kill means thou shall not kill when translated. It's the same language.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notkill.html
"Is all killing the same?

One thing you have to love about atheists is their extreme appreciation for the King James Version (KJV) translation. The KJV was translated in the early 17th century using an archaic form of modern English. In the last 400 years, the English language has changed significantly. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those who read the KJV (both believers and unbelievers) are unqualified to know what the text means in many instances because of word meaning changes. In attempting to demonstrate the contradiction of God's commands to Israel and the sixth commandment, atheist cite the KJV translation, "Thou shalt not kill."

"However, like English, Hebrew, the language in which most of the Old Testament was written, uses different words for intentional vs. unintentional killing. The verse translated "Thou shalt not kill" in the KJV translation, is translated "You shall not murder"2 in modern translations - because these translations represents the real meaning of the Hebrew text. The Bible in Basic English translates the phrase, "Do not put anyone to death without cause."2 The Hebrew word used here is ratsach,3 which nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause (unless indicated otherwise by context). Hebrew law recognized accidental killing as not punishable. In fact, specific cities were designated as "cities of refuge," so that an unintentional killer could flee to escape retribution.4 The Hebrew word for "kill" in this instance is not ratsach, but nakah, which can refer to either premeditated or unintentional killing, depending upon context.5 Other Hebrew words also can refer to killing.6-8 The punishment for murder was the death sentence.9 However, to be convicted, there needed to be at least two eyewitnesses.10 The Bible also prescribes that people have a right to defend themselves against attack and use deadly force if necessary.11"

From this morning's WSJ

Exonerations of Convicts At Highest Level in Decades

The number of falsely convicted people who were exonerated last year was the highest in decades according to a new report. There were 87 known exonerations recorded in 2013- eight more than in 2012 and the most in a year since at least the late 1980's. " It's not a landslide but it's a pretty significant trend," said University of Michigan law professor Samuel R. Gross who wrote the report.

The figures were based on the data from the National Registry of Exonerations, a joint project of the Michigan Law School and the Center on Wrongful Convictions at Northwestern University School of Law.
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Nice to hear that there is a small but growing push back against the blood lust of public prosecutors. ( Do they get dinged when one of their cases goes bad ?)

Every human being adds something to the society they're in.
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[i]Every human life has value.
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[i]Don't you want to find out why these people did these acts? What if they can be rehabilitated? There's potential value in a life there.
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[i]Shouldn't the society be better than those in its lowest common denominator?
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If that's the case you can have all of our valuable, but unfortunately violent criminals. You can talk with them and understand what makes them tick. Reintegrate them into your society where I am sure they will add value for many years to come. Where should we send them??

Welp, this thread has run it's course.