Mexico Tells Texas Not To Execute one of Their Citizens

25 minutes to die from lethal injection...sounds real humane.
[i][/i]Joy Stewart was 22 years old and 8 months pregnant at the time she was raped, choked then stabbed to death by McGuire. He confessed and there was DNA evidence. Somehow I think Joy suffered more than McGuire.

I'm not saying that he wasn't a terrible human being, but he was still a human being. Capital punishment is billed as a humane death and it clearly isn't.

I think they should kill them like if you had your auto in your garage and closed the door down and left your auto running. You would just go off to sleep. That type death penalty. I just don't thing citizen tax dollars should support murderers or that they should remain alive while their victims are dead. I don't really care for barbaric type death penalties.
The government is trying to get the death penalty for the Boston Marathon bomber:.



http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-tsarnaev-death-penalty-20140130,0,5510475.storyProsecutors in the case of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said Thursday that they will seek the death penalty.


By Richard A. Serrano

January 30, 2014, 11:52 a.m.

"WASHINGTON -- Federal prosecutors announced today they will seek the death penalty for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in connection with last year’s Boston Marathon bombing, saying in federal court papers that the attack that killed three people and injured hundreds of others was committed in an “especially heinous, cruel and depraved manner.”

It marks the first time the Obama administration will attempt to execute an accused terrorist in a federal court case.

However, given that Tsarnaev is portrayed by his legal defense team as under the spell of his now-deceased older brother, and that there have been no legal executions in Massachusetts in more than 65 years, it may be tough for prosecutors to obtain the ultimate punishment there.

The Justice Department announced the decision to seek the death penalty in a two-sentence statement from Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-tsarnaev-death-penalty-20140130,0,5510475.story#ixzz2rybwl2AP
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The US Government seeking the death penalty for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is all about publicity and trying to make Americans feel good about their government. I mean, Massachusetts doesn't even have the death penalty.

Sugarpie, even the public defender's office acknowledges that Mr. McGuire was asleep/unconscious through out the execution. The midazolam dose would have put him in a deep sleep within seconds. So it really doesnt matter if the execution took 1 minute or 25 minutes. McGuire was unaware of anything. The "gasping" reported by some of the reports (described as "snoring" by others) was clearly the result of McGuire's sleep apnia. This was an issue actually raised by his defense attorneys prior to the execution and then conveniently omitted from the post-execution comments. He gave those snorts and gasps in his ordinary sleep. It had nothing to do with the execution.

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The US Government seeking the death penalty for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is all about publicity and trying to make Americans feel good about their government. I mean, Massachusetts doesn't even have the death penalty.

I've seen the Feds pursue the death penalty in other not-so-high profile murder cases though. It's an allowable punishment by us federal law. Maybe I'm wrong on this one and someone else can chime in on it, but I think it doesn't matter what state the crime was committed in and it's laws if the Fed is exercising it's jurisdiction, so pursuing the death penalty is common.

But yes, I think the fact that it's high profile essentially guaranteed they would push for the death penalty.

Often when there is a particularly heinous murder in a state that has no death penalty, the US government will take over the prosecution if jurisdiction is possible. I remember the Dru Sjodin kidnap and murder. She was kidnapped in North Dakota and taken to Minnesota and raped and murdered. Niether N. Dakota nor Minnesota has the death penalty so the federal government took over and prosecuted the killer. He was sentenced to death. One thin about the federal death penalty: there are far, far fewer appeal options.

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Often when there is a particularly heinous murder in a state that has no death penalty, the US government will take over the prosecution if jurisdiction is possible. I remember the Dru Sjodin kidnap and murder. She was kidnapped in North Dakota and taken to Minnesota and raped and murdered. Niether N. Dakota nor Minnesota has the death penalty so the federal government took over and prosecuted the killer. He was sentenced to death. One thin about the federal death penalty: there are far, far fewer appeal options.

It's funny you used that example since that's the one I had in mind. Although the fed govt didn't take that over because it was particularly heinous- the crime occurred through two states, which gave the fed jurisdiction regardless.

The saddest thing about that was that Rodriguez's family asked for him to be continued to be incarcerated because he was dangerous and a threat to the public, even though his sentence was done. The state mental hospital said they should continue his incarceration, but couldn't because there was nothing they could do without an additional sentence, even if he was dangerous. Sure enough, he lived up to his expectations.

Kyle, I think you are right. If I remember now, they were unable to prove whether she had been killed in N.D. or Minnesota. So that was part of why the US Government took over, since it wouldnt matter where she was murdered. I remember this case because I have relevatives that live there. The community was very upset about the crime because Rodrigez had been a well known danger, and still this happened. There was pressure to have him charged federally. It was odd because my reletives are very anti-death penalty, but were in favor of it for this guy.

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Sugarpie, even the public defender's office acknowledges that Mr. McGuire was asleep/unconscious through out the execution. The midazolam dose would have put him in a deep sleep within seconds. So it really doesnt matter if the execution took 1 minute or 25 minutes. McGuire was unaware of anything. The "gasping" reported by some of the reports (described as "snoring" by others) was clearly the result of McGuire's sleep apnia. This was an issue actually raised by his defense attorneys prior to the execution and then conveniently omitted from the post-execution comments. He gave those snorts and gasps in his ordinary sleep. It had nothing to do with the execution.

It think it does matter if the execution took 1 minute or 25 minutes. This drugs are supposed to be QUICK and painless. While we don't know if it was painless or not, we do know that it certainly was not quick. And I can't help but assume that if someone is alive for 25 minutes after receiving lethal injection that there could very likely be some sort of pain associated with it.

Take this quote from the story:

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What was particularly unusual Thursday was the five minutes or so that McGuire lay motionless on the gurney after the drugs began flowing, followed by a sudden snort and then more than 10 minutes of irregular breathing and gasping. Normally, movement comes at the beginning and is followed by inactivity.

It looks to me like this execution was not typically "normal"; at least on some level. Could it have been due to his sleep apnea...maybe, maybe not. Besides...like I mentioned above, the execution should be quick, why is it taking 25 minutes for him to die, the sleep apnea should not even be an issue.

There is also this story that specifically talks about the effectiveness of lethal injection drugs. It mentions the McGuire case, but it also mentions a case from Jan. 9, Oklahoma inmate Michael Lee Wilson's final words were, "I feel my whole body burning." http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-states-consider-reviving-old-fashioned-executions-1.2513783

I truly do not, and probably never will, understand why anyone would even begin to care that a rapist and confessed murderer may have felt discomfort in his final minutes. Before the bleeding hearts chime in I am not reveling in a death. I do however feel better that a person that adds no value to society has been removed.
As for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. People are missing limbs, an 8 year old boy is dead. We welcomed this individual and his family to our country, paid for his housing and sent him to school. Freedom of religion? Have at it, this is a country where you can believe anything you want and say anything you believe and no one blinks an eye. And yet, he still has to bomb people. If the death penalty is sought, it is very likely he will get it.

That's a slippery slope though B0b11, since you feel he didn't add any value to society, thus you want him to die a horrible death... Doesn't that make you like him in a sense since you, much like he say he did, don't care about his victim/fellow man?

Interesting:
I say "may have felt discomfort in his final minutes"
You hear "you want him to die a horrible death"
No I am not like him. He was convicted and sentenced of murder.

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I've seen the Feds pursue the death penalty in other not-so-high profile murder cases though. It's an allowable punishment by us federal law. Maybe I'm wrong on this one and someone else can chime in on it, but I think it doesn't matter what state the crime was committed in and it's laws if the Fed is exercising it's jurisdiction, so pursuing the death penalty is common.

You are correct.

The Federal government can assert jurisdiction when the crimes involved are part of a terrorist act, as in this case. Federal penalties are set forth in Federal law and not in state law.

For example, if a person should kill his neighbor, who happens to be a schoolteacher, state law and state penalties apply. But if that neighbor should happen to be a U.S. Government official (in the performance of his/her duty), then the Federal authorities have the ability to prosecute. In that case, Federal law and Federal penalties would apply.

In the Dru Sjodin case, not only were State lines crossed (as noted in earlier posts), but the act also involved the crime of kidnapping and transport across State lines. Kidnapping is a Federal crime.

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It was odd because my reletives are very anti-death penalty, but were in favor of it for this guy.

Your relatives are not very anti-death penalty, as it turns out.

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I truly do not, and probably never will, understand why anyone would even begin to care that a rapist and confessed murderer may have felt discomfort in his final minutes. Before the bleeding hearts chime in I am not reveling in a death. I do however feel better that a person that adds no value to society has been removed.

Every human being adds something to the society they're in.

Every human life has value.

Don't you want to find out why these people did these acts? What if they can be rehabilitated? There's potential value in a life there.

Shouldn't the society be better than those in its lowest common denominator?

And, again, as it's a fairly important point, supporting capital punishment as it exists is supporting the state sanctioned execution of innocent people.

Eric, if everybody felt the way you do about life then we would be speaking German right now. Over run by Hilter. Because Hitler and his army would be too valuable to society to kill. All of the Jews, homos, black people, etc would not have survived Hilters reign in my opinion since it seems he wanted a pure race. Many of our people killed others so that many more wouldn't have been slaughtered by Hilter
Society has a right not to live in fear. Society has the right to defend itself. Many people have escaped prison to kill again. Many violent people kill in prison. I don't give a shit about rehabilitating those that have murdered some one. Not killed in self defense but murdered. A big difference! Society kills in self defense. Not societies job warehouse and support murderers. Some of which cannot be rehabilitated. Some of them have to be chained from head to toe when let out of their cells to keep them from murdering the guards.
Again, society has the right to defend itself. Self defense is not Murder. Even in the Bible, Thou shall not kill means thou she not murder when translated.

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Eric, if everybody felt the way you do about life then we would be speaking German right now. Over run by Hilter. Because Hitler and his army would be too valuable to society to kill. All of the Jews, homos, black people, etc would not have survived Hilters reign in my opinion since it seems he wanted a pure race. Many of our people killed others so that many more wouldn't have been slaughtered by Hilter
Society has a right not to live in fear. Society has the right to defend itself. Many people have escaped prison to kill again. Many violent people kill in prison. I don't give a shit about rehabilitating those that have murdered some one. Not killed in self defense but murdered. A big difference! Society kills in self defense. Not societies job warehouse and support murderers. Some of which cannot be rehabilitated. Some of them have to be chained from head to toe when let out of their cells to keep them from murdering the guards.
Again, society has the right to defend itself. Self defense is not Murder. Even in the Bible, Thou shall not kill means thou she not murder when translated.

Nightcruiser, beautifully said.
Most people never see or even hear about the savages that sit in our prisons drooling at the chance to murder AGAIN.
You are spot on that society has not only the right but the obligation to defend itself.
You are dealing with a group on here that wants to argue pure logic & has NO dealings with these type of people though.

Thou shall not kill means thou shall not kill when translated. It's the same language.