Mexico Tells Texas Not To Execute one of Their Citizens : General > The Lounge

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NightCruiser 11 years ago

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/20/justice/mexico-texas-tamayo-execution/index.html?hpt=us_c2

This is the same government that can't provide jobs for their people. Can't stop drug wars that kill 1000s of their people.

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Althalus 11 years ago

You mean every country?

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NightCruiser 11 years ago

Mexico has a lot going for it ie natural resources, tourist attractions etc They have an army that could take out the drug lords. In my opinion too corrupt to reach their full potential. Their citizens risk their lives to cross our borders for a better life and in this case to murder a USA POLICE officer

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xfireman 11 years ago

Fry his ass.

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EricLindros 11 years ago

Mexico has a point. The death penalty is awful, unjustly administered, leaves no room for mistakes, hypocritical, and morally repugnant.

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[Deleted] 11 years ago

If you're so anti illegal, and want them all deported, then why not deport this guy?

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Gman0026 11 years ago

Yes, this pile of shit must be promptly executed!

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EricLindros 11 years ago

It's a little disturbing how cavalier you folks are about state-sanctioned murder.

Isn't the state supposed to be better than the criminals it punishes?

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NightCruiser 11 years ago

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Originally posted by EricLindros
It's a little disturbing how cavalier you folks are about state-sanctioned murder.

Isn't the state supposed to be better than the criminals it punishes?

More like State sanctioned Justice. Why should a person who murdered someone continue to live--anywhere? Why should we have to give them room, free board and medical care for the rest of their lives? I am for 2 appeals, DNA testing where applicable. All done within 2 years. If guilt confirmed then death. Prison over crowding has led to many hard core criminals release. The victims loose their life while the killers live on. Doesn't sound right to me

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#4825514

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NightCruiser 11 years ago

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Originally posted by moss
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Risk their lives???
That's bullshit, we give them more than our own Vet's that fought for this country.

I was referring to the actual border crossing. Not what happens to them after they enter the USA

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Davey45 11 years ago

Sorry but when you enter another country you are to abide by their laws and if you break the laws, you are subject to their punishment. You murder someone in Texas, you get the death penalty. Maybe in Mexico you don't but the person in question didn't commit the crime in Mexico. If I was to travel to another country and commit a crime there, I'd be subject to their punishments.

As for Immigrants having more than Vets, you should maybe ask why the United States spends more on military than all the other world's powers combined yet they choose to allocate very little of those trillions to retirees. Maybe if more money was spent on veterans and less on government contractors, our returning soldiers wouldn't have so many problems.

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Holzer84 11 years ago

Wow, "interesting" how many pro-execution posts here are.
"The death penalty is awful, unjustly administered, leaves no room for mistakes, hypocritical, and morally repugnant."
You are so right. It leaves no room for mistakes, in the USA alone from 1900-1985 there have been 350 People killed that were innocent. And this means only the people where they found out (afterwards), that they were innocent. And the only thing happend (and not even that in most cases) is someone saying "yeah, my bad, i'm sorry". THAT means justice to you?
Noone has the right to murder someone. And you can call it justice, but it is still murder. And in my opinion, it ain't justice at all, it's about revenge and bread and circuses (i don't know if "bread and circuses" is the right translation, in germany we say "brot und spiele" what would be "bread and games".)

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EricLindros 11 years ago

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Originally posted by moss
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The death penalty is a Must & should be dealt more often & followed through swiftly. The people that are given this penalty aren't candy bar thieves, they are cold blooded murderers that have no problem taking your life or your kids life

They are also mentally handicapped and innocent people.

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Originally posted by moss
Our system with the technology we have leaves no doubt when the proof is in front of you if the person is guilty or not.

You really can't be that naive, can you? Read the link above about Cameron Todd Willingham. Or look up any of people the Innocence Project has gotten off of death row.

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Originally posted by moss
Not only is it expensive to keep them in jail, it shows that we allow this type of crime without proper penalty.

The processes by which the death penalty is carried out--including mandatory appeals and such--are more expensive than keeping those same people in prison. If you're worried about cost to the taxpayer, you should be against the death penalty.

There have also been many studies carried out and the death penalty is not a deterrent to murder. When controlling for all other factors, places with the death penalty have similar violent crime statistics as do places without the death penalty.

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There is a wife left without her husband & children without their father because of this guys senseless killing.

That's tragic. But killing another person isn't going to bring them back.

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Davey45 11 years ago

It's not a case of whether or not you think the death penalty should be applied. Everyone has a right to an opinion on it but the law is the law. The law in Texas says that murderers get the death penalty. The law in Mexico says otherwise. The crime was committed in Texas and the accused was found guilty in Texas. It's open and shut.

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EricLindros 11 years ago

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Originally posted by NightCruiser
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More like State sanctioned Justice.

When your "justice" takes the form of deliberately killing another human being, that's the same thing as state sanctioned murder.

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Originally posted by Jeff
Why should a person who murdered someone continue to live--anywhere?

Because murder is always wrong, so killing that person is wrong.

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Originally posted by Jeff
Why should we have to give them room, free board and medical care for the rest of their lives?

Because that's the cost of a system that removes people from society.

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Originally posted by Jeff
I am for 2 appeals, DNA testing where applicable. All done within 2 years.

I am for you getting the first clue about how the justice system works in the United States.

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Originally posted by Jeff
If guilt confirmed then death. Prison over crowding has led to many hard core criminals release.

lol, prison overcrowding is the result of too many non-violent offenders being put in jail, not because there are too many murderers for the prisons to hold. Take out all the people there because of the war on drugs and other non-violent crimes and you've suddenly got a ton of space.

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Originally posted by Jeff
The victims loose their life while the killers live on. Doesn't sound right to me

Killing is supposedly wrong, but we're going to kill this guy to show him that killing is wrong, doesn't sound right to me either. (Especially when you look up the racial and economic demographics of people sent to death row and their crimes. Hint: It's a penalty with a large racial and economic component)

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EricLindros 11 years ago

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Originally posted by Davey45
It's not a case of whether or not you think the death penalty should be applied. Everyone has a right to an opinion on it but the law is the law. The law in Texas says that murderers get the death penalty. The law in Mexico says otherwise. The crime was committed in Texas and the accused was found guilty in Texas. It's open and shut.

Well, sometimes laws can be bad, and you don't have to enforce them.

Pennsylvania, for example, has the death penalty, and has more than 200 people on death row, but hasn't executed anyone since 1999, and hasn't executed anyone who hadn't voluntarily given up their rights to appeal in 50 years.

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DEMO 11 years ago

I'm not going to say I am pro death penalty, or anti death penalty, but, think of this quote when making your decision on what you believe in...

"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi

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moss 11 years ago

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Originally posted by EricLindros
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When your "justice" takes the form of deliberately killing another human being, that's the same thing as state sanctioned murder.

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Because murder is always wrong, so killing that person is wrong.

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Because that's the cost of a system that removes people from society.
And who should pay that cost? Especially for illegals that don't even pay into our tax system. This is exactly why our economy is so under water. The money has to come from somewhere. Keep raising taxes to support murderers & criminals? Really?? Not how I want my tax money spent.

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I am for you getting the first clue about how the justice system works in the United States.

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lol, prison overcrowding is the result of too many non-violent offenders being put in jail, not because there are too many murderers for the prisons to hold. Take out all the people there because of the war on drugs and other non-violent crimes and you've suddenly got a ton of space.

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Killing is supposedly wrong, but we're going to kill this guy to show him that killing is wrong, doesn't sound right to me either. (Especially when you look up the racial and economic demographics of people sent to death row and their crimes. Hint: It's a penalty with a large racial and economic component)

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omuh 11 years ago

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Originally posted by moss
Once AGAIN lindros shows his true liberal colors of nonsense. Yep we are all that stupid & you are correct.
Maybe next time it will be your dad, mom, wife or child. I bet that would wake you up & change your ignorant way of thinking.

EL only brought up some facts and examples to counter your opinion based on nothing but ignorance and general ideas.
And your only response is to skip all the facts and examples and just throw personal attacks ? That's the best example of what I was talking in the other thread about ignorant people wanting to stay ignorant.

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Originally posted by moss
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So our laws are an option or negotiable you are saying??

Laws can change or evolve, unlike some people...

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EricLindros 11 years ago

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Originally posted by moss
Once AGAIN lindros shows his true liberal colors of nonsense. Yep we are all that stupid & you are correct.
Maybe next time it will be your dad, mom, wife or child. I bet it all that you would change your ignorant thinking.

It's sort of funny to me how you call me ignorant, yet I'm the one posting factual information about the death penalty and you're the one throwing insults.

Anyway, if something tragic like that happened to my family, I absolutely would want vengeance. Fortunately, in civilized societies we don't allow justice to take the form of vengeance or lynch mobs, and instead trust that task to impartial advocates and juries that must follow procedural rules to make sure that the proceedings are fair for the accused.

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