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Originally posted by creepus
as i noticed the spam thread is ussually spammed by crew, and now and then a demi....
what does that have to do with anything?
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Anonymous18 18 years ago
what does that have to do with anything?
jasper54 18 years ago
pac man is an ass. he lambasted one of the girls that posted, called the thread boring and was generally just a prick to her. and then repeated being a prick like 20 posts in a row, when i called in a mod, they cleaned it up and told him not to chill out, but then he repeated the multiple post thing. this was back a ways...i will see if i can find a link to the thread, but for him to say anything is ridiculous. i think he is a pot stirrer, and is just trying to stir things up where ever he can.
http://fefe.whatboyswant.com/forum_read/3358680/49/10 this is the multiple posts
it looks like the rest of it was cleaned up. but he is just a complete tool. i am biased because i don't like him, but that's my opinion of him.
http://fefe.whatboyswant.com/forum_read/3358680/49/10 this is the multiple posts
it looks like the rest of it was cleaned up. but he is just a complete tool. i am biased because i don't like him, but that's my opinion of him.
VicVega 18 years ago
yea, what happened to eric 
and jasper, a second warning to pacman might be in order ? if he doesn't change his ways, the third one means a ban usually...
and jasper, a second warning to pacman might be in order ? if he doesn't change his ways, the third one means a ban usually...
EricLindros 18 years ago
Sorry about the delay.
As far as this "situation" goes, I have a few thoughts, and I'll touch specifically on the mod/member relationship in a moment.
Certainly, there has been a decrease in the camaraderie of the forum. The atmosphere that once existed where intelligent people shared discussion, humor, and time is sorely lacking. I understand this is a porn forum first and foremost, however, the pornography is not what makes a good community. For the most part, the porn was just the drawing point for most of the "regulars" who stayed because of the community. When people come to the site for the people, yet stay for the community, a problem arises when the community starts to wither.
The reasons for this are numerous, and it would be an impossible task to point to any one specific reason why this has happened. I mentioned my thoughts with regard to that in the thread that was linked in Vic's original post, so I won't go into that in detail here, other than to say I think there are a few minor changes that, along with the passage of time, can lead to increased non-porn forum activity. These include stopping the auto-locking of older threads, and only locking threads that have either broken a rule of some sort, are spam and/or useless, or have reached their maximum number of pages. I really believe the auto-lock feature that kills any ability to add to a good thread without going through the time-consuming and annoying process of asking a global or specific forum mod to unlock that thread to contribute something new or interesting to an old thread that may have been of good quality but just momentarily forgotten. I also think that the deletion of the spam threads has led to people not really caring about the spam threads, and while I understand the reason for deleting them, it tends to keep a number of people from contributing to them, and there is a large social aspect to those threads that tends to create the type of camaraderie that is lacking, and that is part of the reason for the decreased community forum activity. Finally, and I know this issue has been raised more than once in the past, as the site ages and the average user post count/score increases, WBW should look into adding more ranks above Demigod, to give some of the older members a little added incentive to continue to strive for something. These measures, along with our continued attempts to keep discussion moving in a forward direction will go a long way in revitalizing our forums. (Also, I think people would really like the Youtube/video embedding, but that�s not a major issue currently, although innovation and new features are usually appreciated by the members, such as the quick view and news section, etc)
As for the Mod/member relations there is a level of inconsistency that I'm not sure how best should be dealt with. There are times that we are expected to be assistants to the members, and help them if they're having troubles with the site, but there are also times when we are expected to mete out discipline for the people who have trouble following the rules. Personally, I'm not asked many questions, but generally answer most innocent queries without injecting vitriol in most instances, but this is just how I've dealt with things, and everyone has their own style. However, those individual styles are what tend to alienate members, when they expect all mods to act in the manner of one or another, which is unrealistic, yet understandable. My general thought is that we, as a group, should display as much patience as possible with new members when it comes to genuine questions or concerns that are raised in an appropriate manner. I know many of the questions can get repetitive and annoying, like the questions "where are my credits!?" and such, and even answering with irreverent humor is fine, but in the end that's what we're here for. Additionally, the "Fuck off if you don't like it" attitude that I've noticed is really unacceptable for a group of people who's basic job is to keep the site running well.
This is a terrible attitude. We should care if people are leaving because they no longer like the site. If enough people do it we turn into the regular, run of the mill porn site, and the site will suffer as a result.
Even Kanzen's comments in this thread made to a guy with only 2 posts: http://www.whatboyswant.com/forum_read/3901682/1
give me pause. I'm fairly sure his original comment was made tongue-in-cheek, but the member did have a point with regard to his second comment, especially considering that the answer to which Kanzen is referring is incomplete. This particular poster did a fairly competent job of defending himself, but this is the type of situation where a member of lesser intelligence could very easily be put off by it.
Further, while members ideally should post logical, meaningful content, that is not going to always happen, and I don't think it's our right to delete their posts or comments just because we feel they aren't well thought out or informative. Overall, the less member content that we delete, the happier the members are going to be and so long as the content isn't putting the site in legal jeopardy or offensive I don't see why we can't leave it. If content is worthless to some it may not be to others, and if it is useless to all it serves as interesting fodder for conversation.
As for the comment from pac-man with regard to the "country club mentality", I agree completely. The thing is, that's what a forum is. When a group of people become familiar with each other there will be groups, cliques that form and one must show their worth before being accepted into said group. Like in most aspects of life, respect here rightfully needs to be earned. Our goal should be to get more people into the "country club."
To be fair, I also am of the opinion that there are times when acrimonious responses are warranted. When long time members continue to break rules, or when someone crosses major lines, using racial slurs or posting child porn, for example. I certainly am the last person who should be telling others that they have to be nice to everyone, but I think we, as a whole, could probably use a little more discretion when using our modding powers.
/end Jerry Maguire friend/career ending rant
As far as this "situation" goes, I have a few thoughts, and I'll touch specifically on the mod/member relationship in a moment.
Certainly, there has been a decrease in the camaraderie of the forum. The atmosphere that once existed where intelligent people shared discussion, humor, and time is sorely lacking. I understand this is a porn forum first and foremost, however, the pornography is not what makes a good community. For the most part, the porn was just the drawing point for most of the "regulars" who stayed because of the community. When people come to the site for the people, yet stay for the community, a problem arises when the community starts to wither.
The reasons for this are numerous, and it would be an impossible task to point to any one specific reason why this has happened. I mentioned my thoughts with regard to that in the thread that was linked in Vic's original post, so I won't go into that in detail here, other than to say I think there are a few minor changes that, along with the passage of time, can lead to increased non-porn forum activity. These include stopping the auto-locking of older threads, and only locking threads that have either broken a rule of some sort, are spam and/or useless, or have reached their maximum number of pages. I really believe the auto-lock feature that kills any ability to add to a good thread without going through the time-consuming and annoying process of asking a global or specific forum mod to unlock that thread to contribute something new or interesting to an old thread that may have been of good quality but just momentarily forgotten. I also think that the deletion of the spam threads has led to people not really caring about the spam threads, and while I understand the reason for deleting them, it tends to keep a number of people from contributing to them, and there is a large social aspect to those threads that tends to create the type of camaraderie that is lacking, and that is part of the reason for the decreased community forum activity. Finally, and I know this issue has been raised more than once in the past, as the site ages and the average user post count/score increases, WBW should look into adding more ranks above Demigod, to give some of the older members a little added incentive to continue to strive for something. These measures, along with our continued attempts to keep discussion moving in a forward direction will go a long way in revitalizing our forums. (Also, I think people would really like the Youtube/video embedding, but that�s not a major issue currently, although innovation and new features are usually appreciated by the members, such as the quick view and news section, etc)
As for the Mod/member relations there is a level of inconsistency that I'm not sure how best should be dealt with. There are times that we are expected to be assistants to the members, and help them if they're having troubles with the site, but there are also times when we are expected to mete out discipline for the people who have trouble following the rules. Personally, I'm not asked many questions, but generally answer most innocent queries without injecting vitriol in most instances, but this is just how I've dealt with things, and everyone has their own style. However, those individual styles are what tend to alienate members, when they expect all mods to act in the manner of one or another, which is unrealistic, yet understandable. My general thought is that we, as a group, should display as much patience as possible with new members when it comes to genuine questions or concerns that are raised in an appropriate manner. I know many of the questions can get repetitive and annoying, like the questions "where are my credits!?" and such, and even answering with irreverent humor is fine, but in the end that's what we're here for. Additionally, the "Fuck off if you don't like it" attitude that I've noticed is really unacceptable for a group of people who's basic job is to keep the site running well.
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Originally posted by Punly
Ok, seriously, if people don't like it here, they should just piss off and leave. I don't see why they have to make this big deal about it, like we really care...
This is a terrible attitude. We should care if people are leaving because they no longer like the site. If enough people do it we turn into the regular, run of the mill porn site, and the site will suffer as a result.
Even Kanzen's comments in this thread made to a guy with only 2 posts: http://www.whatboyswant.com/forum_read/3901682/1
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Originally posted by KanzenSo you're telling me that the word "HELP" in a navigation bar and then the initials "F.A.Q." are so absurdly hard to locate?
give me pause. I'm fairly sure his original comment was made tongue-in-cheek, but the member did have a point with regard to his second comment, especially considering that the answer to which Kanzen is referring is incomplete. This particular poster did a fairly competent job of defending himself, but this is the type of situation where a member of lesser intelligence could very easily be put off by it.
Further, while members ideally should post logical, meaningful content, that is not going to always happen, and I don't think it's our right to delete their posts or comments just because we feel they aren't well thought out or informative. Overall, the less member content that we delete, the happier the members are going to be and so long as the content isn't putting the site in legal jeopardy or offensive I don't see why we can't leave it. If content is worthless to some it may not be to others, and if it is useless to all it serves as interesting fodder for conversation.
As for the comment from pac-man with regard to the "country club mentality", I agree completely. The thing is, that's what a forum is. When a group of people become familiar with each other there will be groups, cliques that form and one must show their worth before being accepted into said group. Like in most aspects of life, respect here rightfully needs to be earned. Our goal should be to get more people into the "country club."
To be fair, I also am of the opinion that there are times when acrimonious responses are warranted. When long time members continue to break rules, or when someone crosses major lines, using racial slurs or posting child porn, for example. I certainly am the last person who should be telling others that they have to be nice to everyone, but I think we, as a whole, could probably use a little more discretion when using our modding powers.
/end Jerry Maguire friend/career ending rant
[Deleted] 18 years ago
some good points EL..
i do think that our attitude as mods has to change towards the members..make them feel part of the 'country club' sort of speak. So that more activity starts to happen again.
i do think that our attitude as mods has to change towards the members..make them feel part of the 'country club' sort of speak. So that more activity starts to happen again.
Anonymous18 18 years ago
i agree with a lot of the points that you made eric
a couple of them in particular:
1. adding additional ranks to the ranking system to encourage posting and activity
i think this is a great idea, even if we only added like 3 ranks, i think it would be a really great idea. a simple fix that might turn out to be a really big help.
2. adding little features like the youtube embedding
adding these fun new features to our forum which are common play on almost all other forums would be really awesome, especially with youtube as popular as it is right now.
3. mods who are getting too shitty with members in the feedback forum and other places
i can say for a 100% certainty that i do lose my temper with some members and get shitty with them sometimes. but i also see a lot of it go on that isnt called for in the least. i want to make a new rule for the feedback forum. unless that shit is blatantly provided and pretty much asked for then i dont want any mods being shitty, nasty, or rude. if that thread seems ridiculously stupid to you and its irritating just to read that question that we've answered a dozen times before... then dont answer and let another mod who ISNT irritated by it answer. i also think we shouldnt be allowing other members to gang up on people who are asking simple questions like "how do you earn credits" and i will be checking for things like that, removing peoples comments that are overly shitty and rude.. and that includes mods comments.
4. about the country club feeling, i also agree with this.
not sure if i said it in this thread earlier or another one here in the office, but i'd really like to see the mods TALKING to the members. talk to them about their posts, send them PMs when theyre doing something thats really good for our site. if there is a new member who is loading up our babe movies forum with movies, send them a PM and say hello, tell them youve noticed all the hot girls theyve been posting, tell them youre looking forward to seeing them post more often.
you guys miss those big chatters? the big posters? theyre every where on our forum, we just need to help them realize its ok to step out and post with us.
thanks for taking the time to type all that out and share your suggestions with us eric, theyre some really good ones.
a couple of them in particular:
1. adding additional ranks to the ranking system to encourage posting and activity
i think this is a great idea, even if we only added like 3 ranks, i think it would be a really great idea. a simple fix that might turn out to be a really big help.
2. adding little features like the youtube embedding
adding these fun new features to our forum which are common play on almost all other forums would be really awesome, especially with youtube as popular as it is right now.
3. mods who are getting too shitty with members in the feedback forum and other places
i can say for a 100% certainty that i do lose my temper with some members and get shitty with them sometimes. but i also see a lot of it go on that isnt called for in the least. i want to make a new rule for the feedback forum. unless that shit is blatantly provided and pretty much asked for then i dont want any mods being shitty, nasty, or rude. if that thread seems ridiculously stupid to you and its irritating just to read that question that we've answered a dozen times before... then dont answer and let another mod who ISNT irritated by it answer. i also think we shouldnt be allowing other members to gang up on people who are asking simple questions like "how do you earn credits" and i will be checking for things like that, removing peoples comments that are overly shitty and rude.. and that includes mods comments.
4. about the country club feeling, i also agree with this.
not sure if i said it in this thread earlier or another one here in the office, but i'd really like to see the mods TALKING to the members. talk to them about their posts, send them PMs when theyre doing something thats really good for our site. if there is a new member who is loading up our babe movies forum with movies, send them a PM and say hello, tell them youve noticed all the hot girls theyve been posting, tell them youre looking forward to seeing them post more often.
you guys miss those big chatters? the big posters? theyre every where on our forum, we just need to help them realize its ok to step out and post with us.
thanks for taking the time to type all that out and share your suggestions with us eric, theyre some really good ones.
[Deleted] 18 years ago
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Originally posted by FeFeHumHum
3. mods who are getting too shitty with members in the feedback forum and other places
i can say for a 100% certainty that i do lose my temper with some members and get shitty with them sometimes. but i also see a lot of it go on that isnt called for in the least. i want to make a new rule for the feedback forum. unless that shit is blatantly provided and pretty much asked for then i dont want any mods being shitty, nasty, or rude. if that thread seems ridiculously stupid to you and its irritating just to read that question that we've answered a dozen times before... then dont answer and let another mod who ISNT irritated by it answer. i also think we shouldnt be allowing other members to gang up on people who are asking simple questions like "how do you earn credits" and i will be checking for things like that, removing peoples comments that are overly shitty and rude.. and that includes mods comments.
4. about the country club feeling, i also agree with this.
not sure if i said it in this thread earlier or another one here in the office, but i'd really like to see the mods TALKING to the members. talk to them about their posts, send them PMs when theyre doing something thats really good for our site. if there is a new member who is loading up our babe movies forum with movies, send them a PM and say hello, tell them youve noticed all the hot girls theyve been posting, tell them youre looking forward to seeing them post more often.
totally agree..
if we want this place to be fun again, i think since were in the know...it should start with us..
that includes making ourselves more visible in the forums, even the ones we dont moderate...so members see ALL of us
not just a few of us....shouldnt be too hard to post all over the place
oh yeah, thanks for writing it up dude
VicVega 18 years ago
holy sshit Eric, that's one great input. it was really worth to wait.
when some one puts so much thoughts and effort to an issue, i just have to take my hat off. (beer)
i also agree with Fefe's and Tino's agrees.
when some one puts so much thoughts and effort to an issue, i just have to take my hat off. (beer)
i also agree with Fefe's and Tino's agrees.
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Originally posted by VicVega
holy sshit Eric, that's one great input. it was really worth to wait.
when some one puts so much thoughts and effort to an issue, i just have to take my hat off. (beer)
i also agree with Fefe's and Tino's agrees.
since we have so many agrees...i suggest we all put in some effort and be more friendly with the natives
i think the small injection of new threads has added some good activity here....it be nice to keep it going and not let it die..
EricLindros 18 years ago
Is this the part of the movie where all the people in the hotel lobby clap for Jerry Macguire and then like a week later Bob Sugar takes him out to lunch and fires him?! 
VicVega 18 years ago
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Originally posted by EricLindros
Is this the part of the movie where all the people in the hotel lobby clap for Jerry Macguire and then like a week later Bob Sugar takes him out to lunch and fires him?!
hmmm, yea....
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Originally posted by EricLindros
Is this the part of the movie where all the people in the hotel lobby clap for Jerry Macguire and then like a week later Bob Sugar takes him out to lunch and fires him?!
no....whatever gave you that idea?
bisthrngrl 18 years ago
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Originally posted by Reika
I dont like the porn site adds any more than anyone else
Do they NOT realize their ON a porn site???
Some of this is really getting ridiculous
VicVega 18 years ago
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Originally posted by bisthrngrl
...
Do they NOT realize their ON a porn site???
Some of this is really getting ridiculous
lol, so true.
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