Honda Makes Like A Snake.

..and quits.

Snakes, natures quitters.

I promised a brah once, that I would have his back no matter what, and brahs stick together.

I'm not going to be all long and drawn out like Bangles, or dignified like Latino.

Over the past little while, (year plus) a lot of things on the site have been bugging me, and I've discussed this with a few people, mostly Lindros, Bangles and Kanzen. They felt the same as I did.

I tried, and I actually put in a lot of effort into trying to boost community participation, a lot of work and time were spent doing this..Bangles, Lindros and I gave it a hell of a go, under a "stick together, support each other" mentality.

I figured with Latino leaving, and being absent so often before leaving, eventually Diz would realize how important the three of us actually were to the community of the site, the non-dolla-dolla-billz-yall part of the site that people actually care about, and I figured he was showing this by giving Bangles and Lindros all the fancy pants mod powers. All was well with the world. Then Bangles made a slightly harsh decision, and Diz took them back away. No warning, no "dude srsly"..just "yoink"..from what I gather Bangles has been a moderator for at least 4 years, I think he deserved A LOT more than that.

So, Bangles and I regrouped, and came up with a pretty cool idea for a way to improve sponsorship for the site, like, hell, we figured, we love the site, we want it to succeed, and Diz knows this, he'll at least humor us.

It was ignored. Cool. It became clear over time that I'm considered worthless...let me put it in perspective, if Diz were Captain Kirk, Wortel is Spock, Fefe is Uhura, Lindros is Sulu, I feel like that red shirted asshole that gets killed every fucking episode. My time and efforts are just an exercise in futility it seems, because I'm practically the only one left that actually gives a shit if this site has a non-porn oriented part to it.

I love the site, I really, really do. I love being a member here, and I loved being a moderator here, but like I said, I'm slightly disgruntled, and I told Bangles I would have his back no matter what. I'm a man of my word.

So, I guess this is it. I love you guys, and I love this site, but you let me down.

Also, Brownell is fucking awesome, that dude needs 100% more mod power.

Also, Zulu is still a mod, just yeah...Okay. Like really, why? Just sayin, you know.

Take care guys. I'll always love you, even though you broke my little Canadian heart.

WTF.

Everyone is teh quitting.


There can't be a trifecta without tri.

Unofecta just doesn't cut it.

First Latino, then Bangles, NOW you.......

in all srsness...I agree with you guys to hepoint where I brought it up formally to diz a few weeks ago.

for me, the added responsibility looked like things, at least as far as I could see, were maybe starting to change for the better. but, to be honest, I felt the same way you guys do...I guess I just never had the balls to just up and quit.

i dont agree with the fact that the idea about the sponsorships was completely ignored, i thought it was an excellent idea. though i hate to put diz out like this, i loved the idea but knew in the back of my mind that it wouldnt happen because thats just the way its ALWAYS been with shit like that. i would have been shocked to death if diz was like " youre right, lets do it!" and put it into effect. and that just shouldnt be the case at all

in complete truth to everyone, though i had pretty much everything to do with lindros and his new mod responsibilities i had nothing to do with the giving or taking of the ban rights from bangles. if i were bangles i would be completely upset by the situation as well. bang, i wish you would have just come talked to me about it for 5 minutes, i could have reversed that situation and smoothed all of that out. of course that would require you to actually talk to me, so maybe thats why you didnt. i cant fix diz's policy's or the way he thinks about things, but i could have undone what was taken away and fixed the biggest part of the problem.

as for honda, i cant say i disagree with your position..... i just dont like it. we spoke on the phone for almost an hour just 3 days ago and out of all of the things we talked about you never mentioned any of this once. again, why not talk to me and give me the chance to try to fix it? it just feels like a complete waste of good moderators, im not understanding why you didnt just even mention to me for a minute that you were SO unhappy the other day. i know im not diz and i cant fix certain things, but i would have at least like to been given the chance.




i have to be completely honest in saying i have no idea how to deal with you and bangles quitting at this point, but its extremely upsetting to me. we've been modding this together site a long time, what a shitty way to finally bring that to an end.

Much to ponder, however I probably don't know enough about it to comment intelligently

I can't really say that I'm surprised there was a major falling out. From the day I first stepped into this office, it was clear that Diz has very different ideas about how to run things than the majority of the mods (at least those who've openly expressed their ideas in office discussions). It seems as though this is an escalation of that ongoing difference of opinion. Some know better than others that I've had one foot out the door several times because I didn't agree with Diz's policies, so it's not like I haven't felt the frustration as well, even if the circumstances causing the tension are different.

From what I can gather, there are at least three issues. 1) the way the community/membership is being handled 2) disagreement about how and when to revoke posting/uploading rights and issue bans 3) lack of response to moderator suggestions. I'm not going to speak to the former right now, but I feel like Diz doesn't always appreciate, respect, or trust the mods, and has unjustly cut the legs out from under the mods on many occasions.

I'm sure there's a lot more going on than what I'm aware of, but that's about all I have to say for now, except that I don't think anything about Bang and Honda's resignation makes WBW better

OMG i don't know what to say ... I don't know you guys that well and i don't post much in here but i do know what you are doing for the site and want you both to thank you for that. I hope there is a way to solve this problem if it is not to late ...

WOW! Some fucked up shit going on around here... I am with Ochie I hope it is not too late to come up with a resolution to this. Honda and Bangles are some excellent Mods and only add to the site.

I have to say that I was disappointed when the idea about sponsorship was not even addressed. I personally felt that it was a brilliant idea. I know personally it is a lot easier for me to put out $5 a month then a years membership all at one time. If there are legitimate reasons why such a plan would not work it should of at least been explained to the Mods who presented it instead of ignored.

I really hope you guys dont go anywhere. However if you feel you must I do understand.

Wow.. that`s all i can say..

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Originally posted by Jullexxx

Wow.. that`s all i can say..

Same here, I hope it works out for you guys.

Wow .. hope you guys can work something out cause it gonna suck losing two of our top mods.

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Originally posted by bluewatertwo

Wow .. hope you guys can work something out cause it gonna suck losing two of our top mods.

agreed

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Wow .. hope you guys can work something out cause it gonna suck losing two of our top mods members.

FYP.

I have more to write here, but: one, I'm not sure it'll matter, and two, I'm eating and have to take my sister to a thing in a couple minutes.

So, yeah, I'll reply later.

Proceed...

Well, since I said in my thread that I'd post, I guess I should.

First, I'm tired of being ignored or watching everyone else be ignored. Take, for example, my suggested change to the system of warnings. The old one is so defunct that it's not even worth giving warnings out anymore, since no matter who they are, or what they post, they'll receive as many free passes as it takes for them to get bored with the site and stop posting altogether. My suggestion incorporated every facet of the new site, which the obsolete system was never created to include, it allowed a set structure of advancement through warnings and punishment, and everyone would know exactly what the next step would be. Every single moderator liked the structure, and it was completely ignored. Straight up. Or, Honda's and my suggestion for promoting sponsorships. That, again, was praised by every single moderator, and was never even acknowledged. It was filled with proven techniques to increase sales, and was never even considered. After I stepped out of line by doing my job, when I went to discuss why I was punished, and others were not for doing the same exact thing, I was ignored. For over 45 minutes. There was a long conversation immediately before, and a "sleep well" within 10 seconds of my leaving. But absolutely nothing when I was asking about any justifications. That's just not acceptable, or respectable. I'm tired of wasting 5 years of my life, and having that mean absolutely nothing.

Second, I'm tired of keeping the site alive. The Trifecta and Kanzen are the only reason why there's a "community", why the Lounge is active. When is the last time someone on the crew made a thread in there that wasn't Honda, EL, or Kanzen? When is the last time moderators kept a fledgling thread going that wasn't EL, Honda, or myself? When's the last time a spam thread had more than 10 posts in a day when the Trifecta wasn't involved, or even 5 posts? When is the last time the all important Lounge mods actually did something in the Lounge? March. Latino came out of retirement to post a thread, and a month before that FeFe made her first thread since 2008. Honda has created over 30 threads between then and now. We were the only ones trying to keep this place active. Even RD was able to sneak a thread in there during the 6 month window of them keeping their forum active by not doing anything.

During the majority of this summer, I spent at least 12 hours a day, each day, on WBW. I was frequently the only mod on for 4-5 hours at a time. If I was on my computer, I was on WBW. I was here to see Diz go to bed, I was here to see him log back on 7 hours later. I was here to see mods make their weekly "I'm still totally here" posts. I was here, on WBW. Doing my job, and caring about the site.

I'm sick of being one of a handful of people on this site that actually cared about it. Latino admitted that he no longer cared years ago; another admitted that they're only here because they get paid; until he got promoted, EL hated just how incompetently this place was managed just as much as Honda and I.
The only moderators on this site that actually care are the ones that don't get paid. They're here because they want to help the site, not because they don't want to lose some cash. And if you knew just how thin their enjoyment of this site has been beaten by those in charge... I know of 2 extremely good moderators that are only here because someone else isn't. It's going to be a catastrophic loss to this site when they finally realize that it's not worth it.


Those in the highest ranks obviously don't care about this site. I, finally, agree.


Third, I'm sick of how things are run. The movie galleries almost had more child porn and pro videos than it did acceptable material. No one cared, I fought against that, and was told by those in charge that "it's Diz's site, he can run it however he wants." The only way that changed was for me to go on a monstrous tirade, threaten to quit/strike and have a few mods also agree to strike. I'm not saying that Diz condones CP, I know that he doesn't. But no one wanted to change anything. And it's disgraceful that the people Diz trusts are trying to ruin the site, and that that's how this site tries to run itself. The ones in charge should constantly question everything about this site, in order to make it better. And those higher than them shouldn't constantly ignore everything that has been presented to them.


Fourth, I'm not really angered by having my powers taken away. Originally, I was furious, I was furious that I was punished for enforcing the site rules against a guy that has done nothing but break the rules every week or two for the entire course of his membership. Furious that while other mods were doing the same exact thing, and having their actions undone by Diz, they were not even being questioned. I banned one guy for breaking the rules countless times, for not caring that his posting rights were removed, for constantly ignoring or disregarding moderators. And I had my rights removed. I had my rights removed for being fair, they receive checks in the mail for making "mistakes."

I've spent 5 years being unbiased, treating everyone identically under the rules of this site. And because I don't hold a double or triple standard, I was punished.

In a site that gives out more second, third, fourth, and twentieth "final" chances than it does reasons to care; why was I not given even a first chance?
When is enforcing the rules, breaking the rules?

I don't care about losing the powers anymore, but it was the catalyst.

It shouldn't be that way, those two moderators should enjoy being here. Honda shouldn't be considered worthless, I shouldn't be ignored for trying to do, and assaulted for doing, my job, and every idea for the advancement of this site should be acknowledged, and considered, instead of disregarded or avoided.

This site needs fundamental change, and since it's not going to, since it doesn't care, since those in charge don't care. I no longer care.

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if i were bangles i would be completely upset by the situation as well. bang, i wish you would have just come talked to me about it for 5 minutes, i could have reversed that situation and smoothed all of that out. of course that would require you to actually talk to me, so maybe thats why you didnt. i cant fix diz's policy's or the way he thinks about things, but i could have undone what was taken away and fixed the biggest part of the problem.

Meh, I was pissed off when it happened, but cooled down. What finished it off though, was when I wasn't even worth a response. There was just a flat out refusal to even talk to me about it. And that gave me my answer. I waited a month or so to think it over and make sure it was the right thing to do, but yeah.

I'll be honest here, I don't think you should have given my powers back to me, if I had asked. It was Diz's decision, and his action. I'm all for questioning just about everything, and arguing against/for things that need to be argued. But I don't think it's right to just go and directly subvert Diz's actions. As you've said to me before, it's his site. Thanks though.

Damn, I'm not sure what to say about this!!









But, for what it's worth, I'm not going anywhere!!

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Damn, I'm not sure what to say about this!!



But, for what it's worth, I'm not going anywhere!!

When it rains, it pours.

I know that Diz owns the site but i`d like to hear if he has anything to say to this.. Any comments, anything at all..?