World wide minimum wage...and a suggestioon for a maximum as well. : General > The Lounge

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[Deleted] 20 years ago

You haven't had anything worth saying in ANY of your posts on this topic. All you do is lob lame insults then procede to imply I am being trivial when I defend my self/the facts and verbally stomp you into the ground. Do us all a favor and delete your comments before you turn and run.

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#1430435

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MXNMan 20 years ago

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Originally posted by Nasty_One

You haven't had anything worth saying in ANY of your posts on this topic. All you do is lob lame insults then procede to imply I am being trivial when I defend my self/the facts and verbally stomp you into the ground. Do us all a favor and delete your comments before you turn and run.

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#1430436

Lvl 14

Jeff613 20 years ago

As I said before, NO ONE needs more than a million a year. Also, wanting to bring some wage sanity to your society doesn't mean you are a commie or a socialist. I just think this would be a common sense step towards having an economy that doesn't leave so many people who want to work and who *do* work so utterly screwed while they live in the richest country on the face of the earth. (that being the US as far as I know). We're turning into a plantation economy with the rich acting as our overseers.

I don't see sky-high food prices or grocery stores going out of business in California, yet they have unionized grocery store workers there who earn as much as $15 an hour with FULL benefits. The owners said in the beginning that it would be the end of them, the grocery stores would all close, food prices would go through the roof, the sky would fall, it was going to rain frogs, blah blah blah. The usual. Well guess what, it didn't happen. It works when people join together and force the bloated fat cats to pay them what they deserve. If anything, that is a story of how it does work when people demand a living wage. What workers get paid is only a very small part of what comprises total production cost of anything. Pure greed is the force at work here, not economics.

Most models show that a 50% raise in an average merchandise producing worker's hourly wage only makes the cost of the product they produce go up by 14% or less. That sounds like a good trade off to me. I'll pay an extra $1.40 on a fancy $10 T-shrt if I know it's helping to give someone a decent wage. So, boost, you can suck it. Suck the nuts and corn out of a wad of my lumpy, well-packed morning, after-coffee shit and choke on 'em, beeeeotch!

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#1430437

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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Originally posted by TickLer

[reply=Dagnabbit]
[reply=TickLer]
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why doesn't everyone just work as hard as they can then give it to the U.S.A. so we can protect all of you from terrorist and protect oil wells....gosh people...you need to learn

Damn Americans.. If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking sioux!

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and you'd be speaking german *more sarcasm*
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I knew you wouldn't get the sarcasm, americans never do.

It's because yanks always harp on about "if it wasn't for us..blah blah, you'd be speaking german etc" That I said about Sioux!!!

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Jeez! Grow up and get a sense of humor. Read your on signature.

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#1430438

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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Originally posted by Bananaman

work = war

That's big talk coming from a country where work=sneaking across the river to work illegally in another country.

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#1430439

Lvl 9

WARPIG 20 years ago

I smell...a padlock.

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#1430440

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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Originally posted by Jeff613

As I said before, NO ONE needs more than a million a year. Also, wanting to bring some wage sanity to your society doesn't mean you are a commie or a socialist. I just think this would be a common sense step towards having an economy that doesn't leave so many people who want to work and who *do* work so utterly screwed while they live in the richest country on the face of the earth. (that being the US as far as I know). We're turning into a plantation economy with the rich acting as our overseers.

I don't see sky-high food prices or grocery stores going out of business in California, yet they have unionized grocery store workers there who earn as much as $15 an hour with FULL benefits. The owners said in the beginning that it would be the end of them, the grocery stores would all close, food prices would go through the roof, the sky would fall, it was going to rain frogs, blah blah blah. The usual. Well guess what, it didn't happen. It works when people join together and force the bloated fat cats to pay them what they deserve. If anything, that is a story of how it does work when people demand a living wage. What workers get paid is only a very small part of what comprises total production cost of anything. Pure greed is the force at work here, not economics.

Most models show that a 50% raise in an average merchandise producing worker's hourly wage only makes the cost of the product they produce go up by 14% or less. That sounds like a good trade off to me. I'll pay an extra $1.40 on a fancy $10 T-shrt if I know it's helping to give someone a decent wage. So, boost, you can suck it. Suck the nuts and corn out of a wad of my lumpy, well-packed morning, after-coffee shit and choke on 'em, beeeeotch!

Then explain why GM is in so much money trouble when all they done is give their employees a good wage and good benefits?

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#1430441

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[M] 20 years ago

The minimum wage wouldn't work well on the basis of the wide spectrum when you talk about cost of living around the world. i do think there needs to be some sort of "cap" when it comes to yearly salaries. No matter how big a fan of capitalism you are, you can't tell me that a CEO who spends his day manipulating quarterly reports and getting politicians to suck his dick does 400x as much work as the people producing the products in his factory. This happens now. There should be a salary cap for management, just like in pro sports and profit sharing should be law. That is how you get people to perform, by giving them ownership in something.

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#1430442

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Jeff613 20 years ago

I may point out that the Japanese, who make a great selection of small, efficient, powerful, fun cars (well, they do) are amongst the highest paid assembly line workers in the world, so your agrument does not hold water. Paying someone like a human being does not mean finaincial ruin for the company they work for. But to answer your question as to where GM went wrong....

Because GM did what all short sighted, bloated American corporations do; they kept right on making one kind of product (gas guzzling muscle cars) when the market demanded something else, which was a fuel efficient, far more dependable small car. The japanese where more than happy to fill that gap and Detroit never recovered. Oh they tried to catch up, all too late and with comparatively lousy products like the Gremlin and AMC Pacer whcih where amongst the worst cars ever made in the USA. Not THE worst, but close. Then we have the Chevette, what a load of crap that car was. US car manufacturers didn't have a chance. Well they did but they blew it. Just like IBM in the early 80's...they where blindly investing millions in mainframe computing systems, arrogantly thinking they could dictate the market, when right outside their front door the world was already starting to use something else.......small, networked, standalone PCs. Dumbasses.

By the way, the only really efficient cars that any American auto manufacturer makes these days are either Japanese made and then re-labeled as American or they're made at plants like the one Ford shares with Mazda on US soil. Ever note how the B2300 pickup and the Ford Ranger have the same specs and body style? They even take the same damn key blank because they're made on the same damn line! They're the same car! The Ford Taurus, Escort and (I think) Mazda MX6 (or is it some other MX model fo theirs?) are just the same car basically with different window dressing on them. Pathetic.

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#1430443

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spilly 20 years ago

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Originally posted by steelnail

Everybody, go and take an Economics 101 college course taught by a Capitalist and learn something. By the end of the first semester it will be clear to you as to what is going on in the world and your little corner of it.

Now for those of you who think the rich are evil, let's take a look shall we.

Bill Gates: Started out with a little DOS contract to IBM. Now employs thousands, software that helped create or improve millions of jobs. He only wanted about 100 employees and now thousands earn a good living.

Richard Branson: High school dropout. Took a chance with Virgin Records. Now has an airline and god knows what else.

Arnold Schwarzaneggar: No money, goes to America. Wins bodybuilding contests. Buys an apartment building, makes money. Does a movie. Learns English(not Queens English but close enough). Buys more buildings to rent. Makes money. Wins bodybuilding contest. Make movie. Make more money. Repeat. Then screws up by running for California governor and now deals with a vast majority of idiots in legislature.

Bernie Marcus and Arthur Blank: They open a hardware store based on their experience, knowledge and training in the hardware store business. In 1984 they go public with Home Depot. Over a thousand stores later and thousands of jobs are created. Both retire. One buys a football team, the other opens a fishing hole in downtown Atlanta.

I could go on. Every country has a success story against the odds. But all of these people took a chance, WORKED HARD and reinvested the money back into the business and people. They made a profit. Those profits created more jobs and paid more taxes.

Take a look at the countries that have low wages and you will find dictators, low education rates, corruption and other assorted evils. If those people were given a chance at a better government that educated their people and allowed for captialism with protected rights they would have a higher standard of living and such. Besides, if communism is so good why is the standard of living so low. Same goes with socialism. It's nice to have the government provide you with services but they also dictate how much you can have. And by the way, where does the government get the money for those limited services that they provide. The taxpayer. Then again, if you got to keep it you could dictate how much you got. No government bureaucrats would have to be hired to lower the amount of money for the things you need. Those people could then be freed to persue other opportunities and quite possibly be the next entreperneur to provide more jobs for more people. Do you really want the government telling you what you can and can't do like your mother does.

In the end, life is not fair.

Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.

Poverty is a disease caused by stupidity.

Steelnail hit it on the head (sorry for the bad pun). I wouldn't want to imagine a world where there's no small businesses at all as a result of extreme labor costs. Further, the enormus black market (caused by rampant inflation) would make sure that there will always be have's and have-nots. Organized crime would make a big comeback. This stupid idea would lead to worse situations than we have today.

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#1430444

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Jeff613 20 years ago

There would be no lack of small businesses after my plan was implemented. I mean, why? That's more of the "the sky will fall" mentality that says paying people a living wage will lead to economic downfall. Come on. That hasn't happened in so-called "living wage" cities where government contracts are not awarded to local businesses who underpay their employees. The opposite is true because the city gains a high-dollar consumer for once. And paying someone $12 an hour is NOT extreme. Plenty of people make that as it is now. In reality, you need about $15 an hour to live somewhat comfortably in the US. Crime flourishes where people are underpaid, not where they're making a decent wage. A decent minimum would therefoere lower crime. When was the last time you heard of a riot or looting or crack beinug sold in the gated communities of southern Florida? Didn't think so. But the ghettoes? Yes. And who lives in them? Poor people!

I don't believe everyone has to or should be rich, I just think a minimum wage should be enough to let a person live with some frigging dignity for once and actually provide the minimum of what they need. That's why they call it the *minimum* wage. Maybe for now they should call it the *sub-minimum* wage.

Corporate profits are rising so fast you'd need wings to stay above them. Meanwhile, working Americans are finding it harder than ever to even get along. I think we can agree on one thing: this makes no sense, it's even pure BS, and thus there is a problem afoot.

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#1430445

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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I just think a minimum wage should be enough to let a person live with some frigging dignity for once and actually provide the minimum of what they need. That's why they call it the *minimum* wage.

No that's not why it's called a minimum wage. It's called the minimum wage because it's the minimum a allowable wage paid by law. Not to provide the minimum necessities. It's for no to low skilled workers to get a start not make a living.

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#1430446

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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Originally posted by steelnail

Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.

Poverty is a disease caused by stupidity.

that just sums up this whole thread..i wonder where he got that conclusion from

i see once again that members here can not have a civilised conversation about some serious topic
before it ends up with name calling..

any more shit..and ill lock this

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#1430447

[Deleted] 20 years ago

In order to move to a ceiling of $1 million salary, the governments would have to tax all the rich people. And it is harder to take $1 from a millionaire then $10 from someone who makes $10,000 a year.

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Lvl 12

spilly 20 years ago

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Originally posted by lAtInO-oZ

[reply=steelnail]
Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.

Poverty is a disease caused by stupidity.

that just sums up this whole thread..i wonder where he got that conclusion from

i see once again that members here can not have a civilised conversation about some serious topic
before it ends up with name calling..

any more shit..and ill lock this

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Damn, dude, don't get all partisan and all. I don't think he was pointing the "stupid" phrase at anyone in particular, just making a point. Just because someone makes a point that you don't agree with shouldn't ring in cause for you to flex the "WBW Crew" muscle...

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#1430449

Lvl 12

docjohns 20 years ago

welcome folks to socialism. promise the world deliver shit.b.t.w. i think i hate jeff too.

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#1430450

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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Originally posted by spartanmp

[reply=lAtInO-oZ]
[reply=steelnail]
Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.

Poverty is a disease caused by stupidity.

that just sums up this whole thread..i wonder where he got that conclusion from

i see once again that members here can not have a civilised conversation about some serious topic
before it ends up with name calling..

any more shit..and ill lock this

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Damn, dude, don't get all partisan and all. I don't think he was pointing the "stupid" phrase at anyone in particular, just making a point. Just because someone makes a point that you don't agree with shouldn't ring in cause for you to flex the "WBW Crew" muscle...
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no of course not...just pointing it to all the 3rd world countries that are poor, theyre just stupid...thats why theyre poor right?

i dont flex my "muscles" cause of HIS point..i answered that one..its regarding other people posting here that instead of answering the topic question, or making their points....theyre calling others "ignorant" or other names...

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Originally posted by Nasty_One

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real swell man... online bashing... how tough...

Boy, you're lucky, if I'd bash you in person you wouldn't be able mumble one of your lame comebacks. Now kick rocks square. You don't want none of this.

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#1430451

[Deleted] 20 years ago

No problems with California grocery stores. Everything is just peachy.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/10/06/BUGCMF30IV1.DTL&type=business

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#1430452

[Deleted] 20 years ago

Let's not forget latino bannaboy's statement was and still is ignorant and I would beat his ass.

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#1430453

[Deleted] 20 years ago

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Originally posted by Nasty_One

Let's not forget bannaboy's statement was ignorant.

maybe so...but that reply was all that was needed..."that statement was ignorant"

this could have been a good discussion, no need to argue with each other, its only a hypothetical

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