Who will be the next election Presidents of the USA?

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Originally posted by dancjm

RP FTW

RP? As in Ross Perot? Is he still alive?

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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RP? As in Ross Perot? Is he still alive?

I'm talking about a PAUL.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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How would directing the $250M per day from Afghanistan to social programs raise taxes?

Hell...just redirect $50M a day...18.25 Billion will fund an awful lot of social programs.

I agree with part of that.
I don't ever want to see our military go without a strong budget. I believe they deserve the very best of everything & don't want our security jeopardized in any way.
I also believe we give way to much money away to welfare programs without strict enough guidelines, drug testing & deadlines. I used the example of getting pregnant while on welfare. This is abuse in many ways. If you cannot afford yourself then do not give us your children to support too. The way the system is set up, they get a raise if they have more children. This is wrong on every level. This was never set up to support you, it was supposed to be an emergency fund for temporary help. I see people using food stamps all the time then drive away in a new $50k SUV. That is abuse in my book. Im okay with helping people that are in trouble for a short period of time.

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Originally posted by dancjm

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I'm talking about a PAUL.

I was trying to make a funny, but yeah Ron Paul...is he alive? ;p In all seriousness, idk...3 campaigns and he's 0-3, I'm not sure he can ever win one.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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I was trying to make a funny, but yeah Ron Paul...is he alive? ;p In all seriousness, idk...3 campaigns and he's 0-3, I'm not sure he can ever win one.

His son, Rand, will run in 2016, and he will win.

So to answer the original question, RP FTW!

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Originally posted by moss

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I see people using food stamps all the time then drive away in a new $50k SUV.

You are a liar.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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You are a liar.

Ouch the truth stings you ha Lindros? Your just a hater & I love it that the truth eats at you!!
It's not a lie it's the gospel truth. You may not use your stamps & drive a nice car but a lot of them do.
Oh and don't forget to read the rules about name calling or you might wind up in time out.....

You do not see people using food stamps all the time then driving away in new $50k SUVs. That is something you made up, because (1) it doesn't happen very frequently at all and (2) even if it did (it doesn't) there is no way you would know what their situation is.

I'm not calling you names, I'm telling you that something you just said in this forum (like many other things you've said here) is false, and you know it to be false.

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Originally posted by moss

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Sugarpie, the only way to afford it is raise the taxes Again. Of course it will be taxing the working class more and not the entitlement class.

They could cut wasteful spending ie military being charged too much by contractors ETC. What people are saying is the poor are not causing our financial problems. During bad times though people focus on the poor as the problem. People seem to have to vent and blame someone. This last downturn was NOT caused by entitlements. The last down turn was caused by banks, wall-street and government deregulation. We are talking $Trillions worldwide down the drain. Poor investments. Gambling that home prices wouldn't drop. Uninsured Credit default swaps in the Trillions. As for our borders--if business would stop hiring Illegals they would quit coming here. Obviously many businesses want low wage workers doing what many American workers don't want to do

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

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They could cut wasteful spending ie military being charged too much by contractors ETC. What people are saying is the poor are not causing our financial problems. During bad times though people focus on the poor as the problem. People seem to have to vent and blame someone. This last downturn was NOT caused by entitlements. The last down turn was caused by banks, wall-street and government deregulation. We are talking $Trillions worldwide down the drain. Poor investments. Gambling that home prices wouldn't drop. Uninsured Credit default swaps in the Trillions. As for our borders--if business would stop hiring Illegals they would quit coming here. Obviously many businesses want low wage workers doing what many American workers don't want to do

I agree if the military contractors are charging too much we need to address that part. I am not saying the downturn was caused by entitlements, I'm saying that when things slow down financially peoples first response is to see what the government can provide to them for free. The problem is that there is no end to it. Lets look at our schools giving free lunches & now breakfast as well. A lot of schools are over 90% free meals. Walk out to the parking lot and see what these people drive while all 4 kids get free breakfast & lunch. It's pure abuse of the system.
This generation is extremely lazy & irresponsible. I was taught that you save first from every paycheck & most people are taught that but don't do it. They would much rather "have fun" instead.
That being said, I don't think it was caused by the so called "poor" however trillions of dollars are handed out that should be used to shore up the economy in all different ways. The system is extremely abused.
As an employer at least once a month I get a call to send one of my employees for a mandatory drug test. This must be done within a specific amount of hours or they will not allow me to work them. Congress has entertained drug testing for welfare people & unemployment receivers however they say that's unconstitutional. Think maybe the system is BROKE??
The people earning your check have to pass a drug test but the people receiving the free check don't??
Nightcruiser, I agree 100% that people should stop hiring illegals. I believe we need to get our citizens working first & off the welfare before we allow others to come into the country. People say "they won't do that type of work" then there should be a way to cancel your welfare if you refuse work of any kind.
This is a very lazy generation without much personal pride or dignity.

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

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They could cut wasteful spending ie military being charged too much by contractors ETC. What people are saying is the poor are not causing our financial problems. During bad times though people focus on the poor as the problem. People seem to have to vent and blame someone. This last downturn was NOT caused by entitlements. The last down turn was caused by banks, wall-street and government deregulation. We are talking $Trillions worldwide down the drain. Poor investments. Gambling that home prices wouldn't drop. Uninsured Credit default swaps in the Trillions. As for our borders--if business would stop hiring Illegals they would quit coming here. Obviously many businesses want low wage workers doing what many American workers don't want to do

This. When people talk about slashing the military budget, it doesn't mean put our soldiers in an even crappier environment with less than they already have. It mean stop spending trillions to war profiteers. You know there are developmental aircraft, that the US has never actually even used that cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars? This is WASTED money. If you ask me where I'd rather see my tax dollars go, I'll give it to poor people 100% of the time before I give 1 more cent to billionaire government contract holders who often work on a no-bid system and/or they have ties to highly elected US officials. cough...Halliburton...cough...

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Originally posted by EricLindros

You do not see people using food stamps all the time then driving away in new $50k SUVs. That is something you made up, because (1) it doesn't happen very frequently at all and (2) even if it did (it doesn't) there is no way you would know what their situation is.

I'm not calling you names, I'm telling you that something you just said in this forum (like many other things you've said here) is false, and you know it to be false.

Spoken like a True Underachiever that's most likely living off the backs of us workers (then tries to insult them). I didn't expect anything more from you, You have proven your blind ignorance yet again!!
How about you leave my post's alone & I will gladly do the same for you?

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Originally posted by Davey45

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This. When people talk about slashing the military budget, it doesn't mean put our soldiers in an even crappier environment with less than they already have. It mean stop spending trillions to war profiteers. You know there are developmental aircraft, that the US has never actually even used that cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars? This is WASTED money. If you ask me where I'd rather see my tax dollars go, I'll give it to poor people 100% of the time before I give 1 more cent to billionaire government contract holders who often work on a no-bid system and/or they have ties to highly elected US officials. cough...Halliburton...cough...

Davey, I agree that we need to stop and even punish the people responsible for the no-bid system if that in fact is happening regularly.
Im not sure i support stopping or even slowing down on the research, development & testing of future military projects. This seems like it would leave us vulnerable when other countries continue developing. The way technology changes & advances so quickly, I think to ensure security of our country we need to continue to advance with it.

It's true. There are cases of people abusing government benefits. Usually when you see someone who is abusing government benefits it's because of one of two reasons:

1. The person works under the table and gets paid in non taxed cash. Usually it's the businesses hiring undocumented workers who do this. Everyone like to bitch about "illegal aliens" but do you know why they keep coming here? Cheap-ass, American business owners will hire them for pennies on the dollar compared to "Legal" American workers. You might want to blame the immigrants and chase them off but I think the real solution is to punish the businesses that hire undocumented workers, pay them in cash, and also avoid paying payroll taxes.

2. The guy using food stamps and driving a "$50,000 car" is probably making money illegally. IE: selling drugs. What many people fail to realize is that the war on drugs does nothing but make criminals more wealthy and bring more violence to neighborhoods. You can start by legalizing marijuana. That would eliminate a solid 65-70% of drug crime. "Well, the drug dealers will start selling other things." Yes, but the market for crack or heroin is significantly smaller than the market for weed. There's only so many crack heads out there, while an estimated 60% of the population has smoked pot. The funny thing about the whole thing is, the most ardent supporters for the "drug war" are the same people who get mad that drug dealers have all this un taxed cash laying around to buy $50,000 cars. Oh yeah, the US could cut hundreds of billions of dollars from the budget if they stopped arresting, prosecuting, and jailing non-violent drug offenders. Nobody wants to hear about that though.

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Originally posted by moss

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Davey, I agree that we need to stop and even punish the people responsible for the no-bid system if that in fact is happening regularly.
Im not sure i support stopping or even slowing down on the research, development & testing of future military projects. This seems like it would leave us vulnerable when other countries continue developing. The way technology changes & advances so quickly, I think to ensure security of our country we need to continue to advance with it.

I'm not saying to scrap research and development for military projects but does the United States need to spend more money on military than the next ten biggest spenders put together? Maybe we can shut down a few of the hundreds of military bases we have set up all over the world. Is it a defense budget or a take-over-the-world budget?

Also, Florida attempted to make people who receive benefits take drug tests. It cost the State way more money than it saved. I want to say that over 97% of the people who had to take them passed. So, at least in Florida, most of the people on social programs are not on drugs.

Also, just so you don't believe I'm some bleeding heart ultra liberal, moss, I believe in ending all government subsidy programs for anyone but the elderly and the handicapped. The free market can easily level itself when you eliminate extra money getting shoved into it by the government. The costs of goods and housing is so high because instead of letting the market determine the price or value of something, the government alters it by changing the rules. There is a lot of talk about raising the minimum wage to $10/hour. To me it's a waste because, at least where I live, $10/hour will not get off government assistance. If they really wanted to fix the problem but avoid the short term chaos a transition to free market would bring, they could raise the minimum to roughly $12 and then eliminate all social programs but for the sick and elderly. On $12/hour you can afford a non subsidized apartment, food and even a cheap car. There would be no reason for a person capable of work to not work.

Crap. That was a lot of political posting. I'm gonna go look at boobs now. Hope you kids enjoy the rest of the day.

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Originally posted by Davey45

Also, just so you don't believe I'm some bleeding heart ultra liberal, moss, I believe in ending all government subsidy programs for anyone but the elderly and the handicapped. The free market can easily level itself when you eliminate extra money getting shoved into it by the government. The costs of goods and housing is so high because instead of letting the market determine the price or value of something, the government alters it by changing the rules. There is a lot of talk about raising the minimum wage to $10/hour. To me it's a waste because, at least where I live, $10/hour will not get off government assistance. If they really wanted to fix the problem but avoid the short term chaos a transition to free market would bring, they could raise the minimum to roughly $12 and then eliminate all social programs but for the sick and elderly. On $12/hour you can afford a non subsidized apartment, food and even a cheap car. There would be no reason for a person capable of work to not work.

AMEN to that, I believe we should let it level itself out...

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Originally posted by moss

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You obviously still can't read or you would have recognized the connection with the welfare issue davey posted about.
You should be able to figure out the connection between immigrants draining the financial system at this point & time.
Im sure you can also figure out that minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be careers or for raising families. They are beginner jobs designed for our youth to get some work ethic & work history.
This is a tough one so stay with me on this one kylecook, If you work at McDonalds and earn minimum wage, DO NOT get pregnant it's not enough to support kids on. This way we won't have to give you welfare or food stamps for your children. Common sense & budgeting works well in this case.
I hope you see the connection now to daveys post.

That's cute that you try to demean my intelligence while you post entirely nonsensical things. I can't tell if your natural response to anyone who disagrees with you is to insult them, or if you only do that when you get confused.

Davey brought up the point that there are many different types of support that people can receive, but what people are calling welfare is that "fancy named" TANF, which has a very low lifetime cap on benefits. Other benefits are going to people who work, predominantly. So the biggest problem is that there aren't enough jobs that pay a livable wage, because even when people work those jobs full time, they still can't make ends meet.

Then you brought up something about closing our borders and not letting any immigrants in. Which responded to absolutely none of the points raised above. There's a huge logical leap in between what davey posted and what you seem to be professing: that in stopping immigration (whether of legal or illegal immigrants), no one will have to work in low paying jobs.

Not to mention other absurdities of what you posted. It sounds like you are actually blaming low wage workers for working, since apparently those jobs are exclusively for young people who don't have real bills. Of course that's ridiculous. That's never really been how real life works, even if that would be the ideal. But there aren't enough jobs that will pay a living wage to cover all non-young workers.

Also, people get pregnant/get others pregnant sometimes. Even poor people. And poor people who work full time. But sure, let's cut all support that helps kids eat so we can watch them starve instead. That isn't fucked up at all.