NFL Player Beats Fiancee Unconscious

Gets a 2 game suspension and a fine of $58000. The thing is he makes $25 million. Pretty shocking that he still has a job! Video of part of it is in this article:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2139861-ray-rice-suspension-shows-just-how-much-nfl-cares-about-domestic-violence?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-us-bin&hpt=us_bn12

"Go back in time, to a casino and an elevator. Ray Rice emerges with a woman in his arms. She's motionless as he hauls her out of the elevator, like she's a sack of potatoes, and drops her body to the ground. Plop. Rice grabs her purse and some shoes—can't forget those. But the elevator won't shut because her feet are blocking it because, you know, she's unconscious.

The woman was Rice's then-fiancee, and the video was one of the more disturbing you will see when it comes to domestic violence. We hear about players beating up women. We see the aftermath, the broken bodies of the women, the court cases, the details in print. But this…this was on tape. We actually got to see the direct aftermath with our own eyes, and it was as terrifying as we thought it would be."

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, other than to point out that at least the Ravens actually did something. While the football world is up in arms over what they see as a slap on the wrist, the real tragedy is that Rice has avoided any jail time. Sure, I would have loved for the NFL to make an example of him, suspend him for a year, or more, but its not really their job to do so, its the job of our laws and courts to make sure that people who beat their partners go to jail.

I always say it takes two to tango and there are 3 sides to every story. Let's say that they had a fight and she attacked him. Is he not allowed to defend himself? Why is it that whenever a case like this pops up the male involved is always considered to be the batterer and the initially guilty party? I have seen women fight and they can be vicious.......

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Originally posted by Allen_Bradley

I always say it takes two to tango and there are 3 sides to every story. Let's say that they had a fight and she attacked him. Is he not allowed to defend himself? Why is it that whenever a case like this pops up the male involved is always considered to be the batterer and the initially guilty party? I have seen women fight and they can be vicious.......

Really?

So I will agree that women can be viscous, and there is no reason for a woman to hit another woman, or a man...unless its in self defence. I also think the same for a man. HOWEVER, and this is a big however. Even if she hit him, and he was defending himself, there is NO REASON to knock her unconscious. He's a athlete, 212 lbs, and in top physical shape. He could have easily controlled her without much problem. Or even better yet...leave the room, call the police, have someone else help out...there are a thousand things he could have done, but he didn't. He beat her, or hit her until she was unconscious.

who cares about what the ravens did, they are not the police. Be more shocked that the police and courts haven't thrown him in jail for 6 months and he misses the whole year without all $25M in pay

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Really?

So I will agree that women can be viscous, and there is no reason for a woman to hit another woman, or a man...unless its in self defence. I also think the same for a man. HOWEVER, and this is a big however. Even if she hit him, and he was defending himself, there is NO REASON to knock her unconscious. He's a athlete, 212 lbs, and in top physical shape. He could have easily controlled her without much problem. Or even better yet...leave the room, call the police, have someone else help out...there are a thousand things he could have done, but he didn't. He beat her, or hit her until she was unconscious.

Yes Sugar, really.....
Ever since the first cave person, we don't know if it was a male or female, picked up a tree branch and whacked another we have been a violent species. In the heat of the moment reason can go out the window. Witness crimes of passion. Now I was raised to respect women and never hit a woman and I never have. I have, however, gritted my teeth, bit my tongue and walked out of a room to prevent a physical confrontation. We don't know the whole story here. We don't know the truth. We really don't know what happened in this instance to lead to Ray knocking her out. All we know is that he is a conditioned athlete and she is a woman who was involved in a confrontation with him. Of course he is vilified and she is put on the feminist pedestal as a battered woman. There are men in this world who are battered by a woman and they are considered to be less than manly. Talk about a double standard. Men who are battered remain silent due to societal mores and women who provoke a confrontation or attack a man and wind up on the losing end are cradled by the state and made a martyr. Like I said, women can be vicious and any man who may defend himself against an attack by a woman is considered the aggressor and is automatically considered guilty should the woman come to harm.Horse shit IMHO.....

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Originally posted by Allen_Bradley

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Yes Sugar, really.....
Ever since the first cave person, we don't know if it was a male or female, picked up a tree branch and whacked another we have been a violent species. In the heat of the moment reason can go out the window. Witness crimes of passion. Now I was raised to respect women and never hit a woman and I never have. I have, however, gritted my teeth, bit my tongue and walked out of a room to prevent a physical confrontation.

And thats what you're supposed to do...man or woman.

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Originally posted by AB

We don't know the whole story here. We don't know the truth. We really don't know what happened in this instance to lead to Ray knocking her out. All we know is that he is a conditioned athlete and she is a woman who was involved in a confrontation with him. Of course he is vilified and she is put on the feminist pedestal as a battered woman.

Thats really all we need to know. He knocked her out...period. Like I said before, and like you've admitted to doing, he COULD have walked away, he could have gritted his teeth and delt with it without violence, but he didn't...he knocked her out.

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Originally posted by AB

There are men in this world who are battered by a woman and they are considered to be less than manly. Talk about a double standard. Men who are battered remain silent due to societal mores and women who provoke a confrontation or attack a man and wind up on the losing end are cradled by the state and made a martyr.

You're right...it is a double standard, but it has nothing to do with whether or not its ok to hit someone and knock them out. Just because society thinks that men who get beat up by women makes them less of a man, doesn't mean its ok for other men to beat women.

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Originally posted by AB

Like I said, women can be vicious and any man who may defend himself against an attack by a woman is considered the aggressor and is automatically considered guilty should the woman come to harm.Horse shit IMHO.....

If by "defending himself" you mean beating someone until their unconscious, then yes they should be labeled the aggressor and automatically be considered guilty.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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If by "defending himself" you mean beating someone until their unconscious, then yes they should be labeled the aggressor and automatically be considered guilty.

Sugar,
[iI]t only takes one solid backhand or punch to knock someone unconscious. Does that constitute a beating? The law states that you can use as much force to defend your self as your attacker uses against you so therefore if a woman comes up and starts punching me I am allowed by law to use equal force to defend myself. Should that have a gender bias?

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Originally posted by Allen_Bradley

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Sugar,
[iI]t only takes one solid backhand or punch to knock someone unconscious. Does that constitute a beating?

Yes. Especially if you're a 200 lb football player and the other person is a 125 lb woman.

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Originally posted by AB

The law states that you can use as much force to defend your self as your attacker uses against you so therefore if a woman comes up and starts punching me I am allowed by law to use equal force to defend myself. Should that have a gender bias?

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Obviously that wasn't the case here. She's unconscious and he isn't. They were both accused of striking each other, the difference is he probably got a bit of a red mark on his face, she got knocked unconscious and dropped and dragged around a elevator and hotel lobby. Doesn't sound like equal force to me. As for the gender bias, I've said multiple times that its not ok for women to throw punches either. However, the gender bias exists for a reason...because men beat women more than women beat men.

Male or female, I'd rather be knocked out with a short clean jab on the chin than battered to a pulp.

Football players are representatives for the NFL. They have a code of conduct they have to follow on and off the field. He would have probably got into more trouble with the NFL if he had said a racist remark than beat a woman unconscious, I agree with Sugarpie in that he should have just left the scene. I have had my share of arguments with women. Never have I hit one. You are going down a slippery slope when physical violence starts to happen. Even the teams thought he would get a much worse punishment according to the article. What about all those women who spend their money at the games and buy NFL clothes etc? Female children of players? This world still is a "boys club" that has no respect for women as equals--in many ways. NO it wasn't a fair fight from the get go. This will be like a man attacking a child--would that be okay too? Defend himself against a 8 year olds attack by knocking the 8 year old out? We don't know who initiated this and it really isn't relevant. He could have left the scene or called law enforcement. Anything but lower yourself to hitting someone who is no match for you--male or female-- In my opinion.

But it's his fiance... that means they're in love. Sure, the press and the lost causes will make a field day out of it. No one else cares.

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Originally posted by Poida

But it's his fiance... that means they're in love. Sure, the press and the lost causes will make a field day out of it. No one else cares.

So you think he then owns her like you would own a horse or cow or a dog? You can then do what you want to them because you own them? Well you can be charged with animal abuse if you hit a horse or a dog but hit a woman--not hardly

Nah bro, I think they own each other, all the tin foil hats and media should fuck off.

There are a lot of women who murder their husbands and fiancees who abuse them. Usually do it while there are sleeping or poison their food or gun them down. Leave children with no father and mother(after she goes to prison that is). I don't think you get it at all Poida. Abuse can and many times does lead to murder or divorce. Many times it leads to warped Children that society has to deal with. Many times if a woman is hit then the children will be abused too. You just can't pick and choose which cases of abuse you will prosecute because if people get away with abuse one time then they will feel empowered to do it over and over to others. So this is a society problem in general. Not just a private lovers spat. In most USA jurisdictions , if someone has been hit then someone is going to jail when police arrive--unless you are rich or an star football player that is. One law for the rich and famous and another law for the rest of us

I get it dude, do you get it? what about all the kids who get bashed, murdered or treated as pawns?

Society is a joke, no one gives a fuck until they cop it themselves.

When it happens everyday on a worse scale with average people and no money, no one gives a fucking shit.

Society has to give a fucking shit. Society sees injustice then society has to put pressure on the powers to be to right that Injustice. Our prisons are filled with those who fought back against their attackers. Violence against anyone ha no place in our society. Man gets beat up by another man. Man then gets revenge with a gun or knife. Man goes to jail. Life ruined. Society supports man in prison

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Originally posted by Poida

But it's his fiance... that means they're in love. Sure, the press and the lost causes will make a field day out of it. No one else cares.

I'm not sure what this means.

So if you're in love its ok to beat each other? Or are you saying because they were engaged at the time (now married) that the media is giving it more attention?

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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I'm not sure what this means.

So if you're in love its ok to beat each other?

Basically yeah, it takes all kinds of confrontations and mishaps to make a good relationship go the distance.

So they're married now what is his even about?