Is anyone offended by Political Correctness?

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Originally posted by Latino

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And on a more wider range about political correctness.

I personally believe in the "live and let live" prinsiple.

I don't mind you doing your way as long as you let me do it my way.

It applies to everyting, religion, political orientation, sexual orientation, taste on beer and women, you name it. I have and never will try to get someone do something the other way just because I think my way is better. If you want to drink Karhu instead of Lapin Kulta, go ahead. If you want to fuck men instead of women, go ahead. If you want to vote for communists instead of right extremists, go ahead.

Just don't fuckin try to get me do my things your way or I swear you will regret ever doing so!

i soooo agree with that man, even though im a pig headed kind of guy...
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Originally posted by donkeypunchkid

This is why I celebrate Festivus.

at the end of the day England is a country that likes to celebrate christmas and put our England Flags up when we play games, if Foreign people want to come over and live in ENGLAND then they should take in to concideration that thats what us british people do and if it offends you that much choose a differnt country to move too! I too have friends from differnt religions (my best friend is Turkish) but they all celebrate xmas check here this is what we did last year together and what we will be doing this year http://www.whatboyswant.com/forum_read/783862/

But nothing will change as they will jus say its offends there religion (which it might do as i dont know anything about there religion) and because they say that they get there way as most English people dont have a religion (dont follow one) if i put a big santa up on a roof and a foreign person said it offended them i would take it down id be pissed off bout it but if it is causing them discomfort then it would have to come down!

Merry xmas all and a happy new year!

That's it no more mince pies and sherry for you. Santa is obviously a piss head.

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i agree that it has gone way, way over board. it's just plain stupid that we have to watch what we say so often. fuck it, say what's on your mind, if it offends someone, let that person let you know. my biggest beef with this PC crap is all the "American" bullshit. African-American, Polish-American, Mexican-American. Fuck that, you live in the United States, you are an American period. it's alright to be an american of german, or african, or mexican descent. but god damn it, you are an american. Political Correctness is nothing but bullshit. if you get offended, get fucking over it. it certainly won't be the last time it happens.Thanks for the vent!

sorry forgot to add... MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone!

It isn't that I am offended by alternate viewpoints. it is that I am offended by people with alternate viewpoints who feel that me being a white, Christian, American is somehow an affront to them. Being sensitive to all viewpoints means just that.

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Originally posted by tupacshakurday

if i put a big santa up on a roof and a foreign person said it offended them i would take it down id be pissed off bout it but if it is causing them discomfort then it would have to come down!

Why should it come down? Just because they are offended? What if someone is offended by a mosque? Does it come down? What about racists offended by the presence of minorities? Do we go back to white-only lunch counters? If not, then you are picking sides which is worse than allowing people to be offended without prejudice.

Somewhere along the way the drive to stop officially sanctioned prejudice shifted to a drive to keep people from being offended, but during that drive someone forgot that it is impossible to keep everyone from being offended. In this you have to pick a side at some point.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreewor

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if i put a big santa up on a roof and a foreign person said it offended them i would take it down id be pissed off bout it but if it is causing them discomfort then it would have to come down!

Why should it come down? Just because they are offended? What if someone is offended by a mosque? Does it come down? What about racists offended by the presence of minorities? Do we go back to white-only lunch counters? If not, then you are picking sides which is worse than allowing people to be offended without prejudice.

Somewhere along the way the drive to stop officially sanctioned prejudice shifted to a drive to keep people from being offended, but during that drive someone forgot that it is impossible to keep everyone from being offended. In this you have to pick a side at some point.
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I could say it any better 100% agreed

It's like a big pendulum that swings to far from on extreme to the other. We are all trying to swing it back the other way again. Maybe we can get it to middle of those extremes. Fuck that I would not remove my Santa cuz someone was offended.

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Originally posted by ross

It isn't that I am offended by alternate viewpoints. it is that I am offended by people with alternate viewpoints who feel that me being a white, Christian, American is somehow an affront to them. Being sensitive to all viewpoints means just that.

you put yourself in to 3 separate categories which is what I'm trying to stop with this thread or at least to make people aware of try and think of yourself as Ross and everyone else as Dave, Chris, Sanjay etc. Chances are you've got 85 years on this rock and if you divide amongst comfortable groups and when it all comes to an end(and no one knows what happens at the end, because no ones ever survived it!!) the only thing that is real is right here, right know and if you divide up into groups your gonna miss out. In my life I've lucky enough to travel all over the world and when in those countries I've excepted the laws of the land as if it were a contract to allow me to visit and this should be how it is world over you should respect the laws and the cultures of the countries you visit and not demand they accommodate you.

Just think of the world with one culture and who cares who's right who's wrong because chances are everyone's wrong and finally where did all this PC bullshit come from I think back to my days at school and I don't remember this crap around the 1st week of Christmas we'd hang CHRISTMAS decorations. It makes you wonder what he world will be like in 10 or 20 years?

Happy C*******s

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Originally posted by Latino

now if we HAVE to accept them, they should be made to accept us. Our culture is ALSO important.

::nods::

Someone was talking about the muslims getting their breaks for their prayers, what is christmas where everyone gets it off then?
I am not a believer in christ so i do not celebrate christmas. so when someone says merry christmas to me, what the f*ck am i suppose to say? to be in all politeness i wont say screw you and your christmas, ill say happy holidays. i will not say merry christmas because i do not believe in christ. if you take offense to my saying happy holidays, then you can go f*ck yourself. it is the holiday season is it not? christmas, kwanza, hunaka, new years, and if you really want to thanksgiving. maybe ill just say happy christmakwanzahanaka!
so if you conservatives on this board feel it should be that way, continue saying merry christmas. i wont stop you. but i definately wont say it back to you. so HAPPY HOLIDAYS folks.

oh and i am buddhist. but when i hear when the jewish community wants to put up a minora just like the christmas trees standing outside are but are denied, it kinda makes me wonder why the tree gets to go up in public view but the minora cant?

and i still think the whole american thing of separation of church and state is bs. the followings based on christ are obviously connected to the american govt in many ways, if bush being a big god and jesus promoter during the press conferences isnt enough.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddydiesel

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It isn't that I am offended by alternate viewpoints. it is that I am offended by people with alternate viewpoints who feel that me being a white, Christian, American is somehow an affront to them. Being sensitive to all viewpoints means just that.

you put yourself in to 3 separate categories which is what I'm trying to stop with this thread or at least to make people aware of try and think of yourself as Ross and everyone else as Dave, Chris, Sanjay etc. Chances are you've got 85 years on this rock and if you divide amongst comfortable groups and when it all comes to an end(and no one knows what happens at the end, because no ones ever survived it!!) the only thing that is real is right here, right know and if you divide up into groups your gonna miss out. In my life I've lucky enough to travel all over the world and when in those countries I've excepted the laws of the land as if it were a contract to allow me to visit and this should be how it is world over you should respect the laws and the cultures of the countries you visit and not demand they accommodate you.

Just think of the world with one culture and who cares who's right who's wrong because chances are everyone's wrong and finally where did all this PC bullshit come from I think back to my days at school and I don't remember this crap around the 1st week of Christmas we'd hang CHRISTMAS decorations. It makes you wonder what he world will be like in 10 or 20 years?

Happy C*******s

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one thing i have learned at my time at army and i never have forgotten.

Article 2

Each legionnaire is your brother in arms whatever his nationality, his race or his religion might be.
You show to him the same close solidarity that links the members of a same family.

i always respected that, means not that if anyone pissed me off, white, black, green or pink.. i dont pissed back. not PC, i know, but for me all people are same, only divided in people i like or people i dont like.

oh, and BDD.. the world in 10-20 years... trust me, you dont like to know today.
(beer) cheers bro.

I have no problem with Happy Holidays and I think those that do are being a little too touchy. My problem is when someone is told they can not say Merry Christmas, or happy hanukkah, Or Joyous Kwanzzaa or whatever. I had a Jewish friend when I was younger and when he was told Merry Christmas he would just say Happy Hanukkah, I am fine with that. You don't believe in Christ, fine, you are not required to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or anything. No problem with that. But stopping others from saying it because you might be offended is the problem. If we start this then all displays of all religions are wrong.

As far as Jews being denied the right to put up a Menorah for the holidays. I am all for them being allowed to put it up. The Constitution of the United States does not ensure freedom from religion. It ensures that a particular religion will not be held above others and I fully support that. Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, everyone should be allowed to celebrate their religion in the public square with equal rights. That is the only way to go. Suppressing religion leads to physical and emotional warfare between the different religions. When we seek to be non-offensive we become offensive to all at least part of the time.

In the immortal words of Mel Gibson as William Wallace: "FREEDOM!"

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Originally posted by flumretard

and i still think the whole american thing of separation of church and state is bs. the followings based on christ are obviously connected to the american govt in many ways, if bush being a big god and jesus promoter during the press conferences isnt enough.

You don't understand the American concept. There is no seperation of church and state and never has been. The Constitution blocks the US government from setting up an official church as England had at the time of the revolution. The seperation mistake comes in from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson many years later describing that article of the Constitution as a wall of seperation between church and state. It is not codified into law and never will be.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreewor

I have no problem with Happy Holidays and I think those that do are being a little too touchy. My problem is when someone is told they can not say Merry Christmas, or happy hanukkah, Or Joyous Kwanzzaa or whatever. I had a Jewish friend when I was younger and when he was told Merry Christmas he would just say Happy Hanukkah, I am fine with that. You don't believe in Christ, fine, you are not required to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or anything. No problem with that. But stopping others from saying it because you might be offended is the problem. If we start this then all displays of all religions are wrong.

In the immortal words of Mel Gibson as William Wallace: "FREEDOM!"

I will agree to that.

And good movie, too bad he gets his head chopped off. (statement not meant to be a stab at your statement )

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Originally posted by rocknthefreewor

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and i still think the whole american thing of separation of church and state is bs. the followings based on christ are obviously connected to the american govt in many ways, if bush being a big god and jesus promoter during the press conferences isnt enough.

You don't understand the American concept. There is no seperation of church and state and never has been. The Constitution blocks the US government from setting up an official church as England had at the time of the revolution. The seperation mistake comes in from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson many years later describing that article of the Constitution as a wall of seperation between church and state. It is not codified into law and never will be.
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[Note: My response concerns the American Constitution, apoligies if it doesn't transfer to your country]

You are correct in saying there is no official 'separation of church and state'. There is only the letter written by Jefferson in 1801 to the Danbury Baptists. http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

The problem I have with modern 'separation with church and state' is that it has been changed into a PC war. What people don't seem to realize is that they don't have a constitutional right to not be offended. If you're offended, too bad. The original motive of 'separation of church and state' was to remove things from the government that violated the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of the constitution. Saying 'under God' was ruled unconstitutional because it promoted religion over the non-religious. It was only added to the Pledge of Alligence in 1954 by Eisenhower when we were fighting athiest communists. As America moves to a more Secular nation, people start to take the issue way too far and try to remove everything that 'offends' them. Saying that people cannot put up a Menorah while others can put up a Christmas Tree is BS. Everyone should be able to celebrate their beliefs, even if it offends people and doesn't interfere with the welfare of the community. But if you grant religious equality to everyone in public displays, you have to allow everyone. Even people like Satanists.

There needs to be written limits that are designed by everyone involved. Christians, Muslims, Buddists, Satanists, Athiests, Prodestants, Catholics, Mormons, whatever is in the community. Even though it sounds like a big trouble, you have to have bounds defined before you criticize what they are doing. If you put up a Nativity display, you cannot make someone take down their sacrificial altar just because it represents something you don't agree with.

The First Amendment deals with the rights most basic to the individual, and they are defined to protect all people, particulary minorities, since the majority has no problem securing their rights and beliefs. The majority has every right to keep what they believe but they cannot encroach on others' rights.

I have no problem with Merry Christmas in public speak, public resturants, and public documents, but when it comes to issues of institutions controlled by the state and federal government, non-denomination is what the Constitution requires.

see, at last the thread changed to "what is right or wrong in USA"..you guys need to learn that you are not the center of the world.