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Exorcism

Starter: Bank Posted: 20 years ago Views: 2.9K
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#1091110
Lvl 18
Ok, I've mentioned this a few time, had PM about it, and figured that some WBW might be interested.... this is long. But some may be interested.
Before I start this story, I’ll mention a few things. These events happened. I have no affiliation with any church or religion; my belief in God is sketchy at best. The guy I’m writing about is still messed up over the events I’m about to recount; he’s one of my best friends, and it’s still affecting everyone around him. The actual practice of exorcism (not the Hollywood version) is still kept a secret in the Catholic Church; they don’t generally publicize such events. The ritual is different from the Episcopal, Orthodox, and Jewish ones—all of which are still practiced. The Catholic Church has recently changed their procedure in this practice. No one knows why, but speculation is that these exorcisms are occurring more and more often, and without success. Whether it’s a psychological condition or an actual demon… you can decide for yourself. But I haven’t, and I was there.
Most of the early stages have to be recounted through hearsay, as it occurred while my friend and I attended separate schools. I’ll refer to him as John… easier that way. Basically, John went through a radical teenage rebellion phase. Most people go through it, but John’s was more extreme. As a child, he had few friends, was a quiet guy, the one all the mothers thought was a nice boy. Entering his college years, he became violent. Unusual, yes, but not uncommon. He’d go for days without sleep; do drugs a lot; get in fights with strangers—sometimes friends. I talked to one, a couple of years later (which I’ll detail), and he said that during the fights John became like an animal, scratching and biting. Sometimes he’d win, sometimes he’d lose. Like I said, nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to fucked up behavior, except for one detail. When he lost badly, sometimes he would stay lying on the ground, smiling, and in a voice which I heard (though not say this) repeat over and over “Kill me kill me kill me kill me.” No pause, no breath for air, the voice was not male or female.
Around this time, everyone lost contact with John. From what I gather, the family hired a private investigator to track him, found him living in the poor section of his college town; he was a fucking mess and had to go to the hospital. Heroin addict, apparently had been raped… most of this, as I said, is hearsay. Most of it, though, I believe. Outlandish, I know, but the entire thing remains that way. Keep in mind, though, this was the ‘good boy’ of the neighborhood when I was growing up.
After he’d been cleaned up, his parents took him home. Like most, they refused to have him locked up. When I came back from college, I went by to visit him. He wasn’t bedridden or anything, he was fully capable. The change in him, though, is difficult to explain. Having been through trauma, one would expect for the ‘good boy’ to have been hurt, harmed, shell-shocked.
And he was, sometimes. Sometimes he wasn’t; sometimes he wanted more of the hell that he’d lived through. We went out to a bar once, where he walked up to a rough looking guy and started hitting on him. Hitting on him isn’t the right word… he was saying “I wanna suck your cock, drink your cum, bathe in it” in the voice which I described—it was the first time any of us had heard it. Disturbing stuff, and he kept on saying it when the guy started to rough him up. He was lucky to escape, everyone in the bar was shocked, as we were.
Later, he was diagnosed as schizophrenic, which is common among most people who have exorcisms performed on them. Anyone familiar with it knows it isn’t just multiple personality disorder… and sometimes isn’t that at all. He spent some time in a clinic, but his family was rich, so they had him moved out and had a doctor visit regularly, along with a live in nurse. His case was extremely severe, but I came from a well to do place where people could afford such things.
Roughly, John’s conditions: extreme changes in appearance (he lost a lot of weight and had cuts all over his body); seemingly multiple personalities that effected both actions and voices; became a severe insomniac, though had tons of energy (I’m an insomniac, and have virtually no energy); lost all interest in former activities/family/friends; would shift from being hostile to passive, almost instantly.
At this point, while very sad, nothing was ‘supernatural’, and nothing was considered that, either. Though his family was Methodist, John was not religious, and the household was not one of fanaticism. His parents had tried both doctors and medicine, none of which had worked, but they still continued. His chanting of ‘kill me’ continued, though he didn’t need a fight to bring it out. John cursed everyone regularly, and told them to give in often—no one understood what that meant, and I still don’t.
There were two things that began to enter the realm of the ‘supernatural’, and occurred sometime after John had moved into the house, where he stayed under lock and key. Continually, things would move. A chair would rock, lamp would fall down, a light bulb would pop, you get the point. Nothing with creepy sounds or anything. Something that if it happened, you wouldn’t think twice; the way it was described to me was like when you’re lying in bed at night, and your house makes a creak or popping noise. Only, it happened continually. Small nuisances, happening often. Just enough to notice and keep in the back of your head.
The other ‘thing’ was much more severe: John would occasionally break into Latin. He studied Spanish in school. I studied Latin, received A’s. We had a conversation... and he understood the language (as well as the literature, both Catholic and non) to a degree that I did not. Make of that what you will.
It was some time before a priest was brought it; the conditions certainly merited a consultation. No priest in our region was ‘qualified’ to perform the ritual, so before one was sent for, one priest had to judge whether or not someone had to be sent for. From what I understand, he was granted access to the medical files (he was a doctor, but I know little specifics; I talked with him briefly), he talked to the doctors, he talked directly with John, he spoke with his parents, he spoke with me and several other friends. The priest asked about specific events, what John was like before, asked if he had spoken in Latin to me, asked whether or not his other ‘personalities’ had identified themselves. They had not. (I later learned the Catholic belief is that demons, as they are fallen angels, are not just considered an ‘evil spirit’. There are different ones, different personalities, and accordingly, different ways of performing the ritual, which is why he asked the question)
At this point, everyone involved is scared shitless, except for John, who seems to know exactly what’s going on. Hard to describe… yet again.
The priest deemed the case to fit the criterion. What that is, I’m still unsure, but from what I gathered the two supernatural events that I knew about ‘qualified’. I don’t know what his parents or doctors had said.
It took some more time once the Exorcist (from New York, which seemed odd) arrived. He had performed one before, but had judged several cases before. Once again, he talked with everyone, read all the reports, and brought in two doctors who were unfamiliar with John. Say what you will about the Church, they took this seriously, and didn’t want to mess with someone who was simply suffering from a mental condition. He arrived during the summer… most of us had visited occasionally to see how John was (much of the same)… most of the town was quiet about the news.
When the exorcism occurred, John’s mother wanted several of us there. We arrived before the priests (two, the man from New York and one I hadn’t seen before, who was to remain unconnected and write a report for the Vatican. The first priest wasn’t there). She said she thought that it would be good if old friends where there… stuff about harmony and whatnot. John, in the voice, was laughing upstairs and shouting gibberish—or at least something I didn’t understand. We could hear him pacing around his room and jumping up and down; they had put locks on the outside. At one point he began shouting in pain, saying that he’d split his head on the wall and was bleeding. No one opened the door, and I later learned that he didn’t hurt himself.
The priests arrived, wearing full garb, and the man who I hadn’t seen before asked us all to write brief reports for him to add to his story and give them to the Father from New York at a later date. The priest from New York told us all we had to leave. I read up on it: according to some, during exorcisms, the demon reveals personal, hidden facts about someone and ridicules them. It can physically affect the person being ridiculed. Like I’ve said many times, I have no idea if I believe this, but it’s the reason that we were told to leave.
The exorcism took three days. I know nothing of went on. I never asked John’s parents, and I doubt they really knew. John’s bedroom was a wreck, and most furniture had to be replaced. He was extremely sickly afterward, he had nearly no memories of the past year or so of his life, he didn’t know Latin, the voice never returned.
He continues to be haunted by memories in his dreams, he says. John still lives at home, never graduated from college, still sees doctors. I can understand why. We keep in touch. John is now religious, which isn’t surprising. He never preaches, never mentions it.
If there are any questions or anything about any of this… ask. I know there’s plenty of stuff I didn’t include that someone might be interested in. I can fill in details, though this is pretty lengthy and I imagine many of you simply skipped once you saw all the type. Save your comments about calling me a bullshitter or a stupid drunk; I’m just writing what happened, and, as I said, these events still affect most of us who were involved.
And, if anyone out there has experienced similar, post.
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#1091111
Lvl 18
Those that are interested in the Rites of Exorcism....
http://www.trosch.org/chu/exorcism.htm
...the basic ritual guidelines.

The first bit is crap...not actual Catholic Rites... but links are there. Wade through the junk.
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#1091112
Lvl 20
the power of christ compells you the power of christ compells you
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#1091113
Lvl 18
Well... I'm outta here for the time being. Any questions, post them here.
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#1091114
Lvl 22
Thats a pretty good read mate, nice one. Although obviously not good for John or for anyone who was involved.

Im really into the whole religion subject, im not religious myself particulary but i do find the matter so interesting, especially stories like yours, other possessions, the 13th gospel etc etc...

Back on to your story though. I personally doubt he was really possessed, more a fact of like you described "multiple personalities". Ive read a lot of reports and stories saying the same, and similar to what you said... these people believe they are controlled by demons or whatever and they need exorcisms to, if you like cure them.

edit: top post my man.
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#1091115
Lvl 17
Bank == Jeff?

Kinda spooky story. But remember that everything has an explanation, even if no-one knows it. And as long as no-one knows it, you can as well call it a devil taking on the poor guy...
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#1091116
Lvl 18
Yeah, I've read a bunch of those reports, too. I'm still not sure what to believe. Most doctors now believe that the actual ritual of exorcism is, in some way, theraputic. They might talk about it in the exorcist... but what happens is the person who is 'posessed' believes it so fully that when the priest comes and performs the ritual, they (their center self, or whatever it's called) actually takes hold in that belief and is partially cured. Religion as science... talk about ironic.
Things that still seem out of place, though, are the amount of background research that the priests put into it, the objects moving (though it was only slightly, could be mind tricks and whatnot), and John speaking in Latin. I guess the guy could have studied it, but when I've spoken to him, he says that he has no memory of it, and cannot speak it now.
I'm no believer, like I said, but some things really make me question. I've been right there on the edge, several times, and I'm unsure of what to make of it.
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#1091117
dude type less
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#1091118
Lvl 18
ok.
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#1091119
Lvl 17
Your mind can trick you alot.. and its easy to trick with someones mind, im not saying ur wrong about this... But i have my doubts really =)
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#1091120
Lvl 18
Really good story, bank. Thanks for sharing.
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#1091121
Lvl 11
There's no way i am reading that much! next time maybe
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#1091122
i dont get it.
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#1091123
Lvl 18
What don't you get?
And I'm not saying that this guy was poosesed or anything... just the circumstances which led to the exorcism.
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#1091124
Lvl 16
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Originally posted by KoMiMis-L33t

There's no way i am reading that much! next time maybe


thats great nobody cares, next time dont bother replying.

as for the story.. i personally am a christian. i havnt read up alot about "exorcisms" etc; but like bank says it really makes you think. weither he was "possesed" or not is really beside the point.. something that tragic can happen to someone and ruin their life and the people around them.. just image if it was you? kinda makes you feel lucky..

great post bro, thx for sharing
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#1091125
Lvl 14
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Originally posted by Bank

What don't you get?
And I'm not saying that this guy was poosesed or anything... just the circumstances which led to the exorcism.


Well........ Possession IS real, and the spirit realm is real, Its a matter of what you give your life to.

We all serve something in life until it takes over our life and than it becomes a part of us. Here is the process:

1. Thought becomes Habit (what you think about you become)
2 Habit becomes Lifestyle
3.Lifestyle defines what we are
4.Habits become character

The cycle goes on..... until we as an indidual cease to have control and become controlled. (Good or Bad)

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#1091126
Lvl 23
thanks for sharing....i pbelieve i am the PM mentioned at the beginning....i love reading this stuff
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#1091127
Lvl 18
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Originally posted by EricTheViking

thanks for sharing....i pbelieve i am the PM mentioned at the beginning....i love reading this stuff

Indeed, you were... but I got several others after that.

As for wineanddine, who said that possesion IS real.... this isn't a testimony to that. I'm descirbing an event where an exorcism was performed, and the person's 'personalities' have vanished. I'm still unsure about everything (understandably, there's a lot of reports that say that exorcisms actually have 'theraputic' values), but I thought comments would be interesting to hear.
And some wanted to hear the story.
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#1091128
Lvl 14
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Originally posted by Bank

[reply=EricTheViking]
thanks for sharing....i pbelieve i am the PM mentioned at the beginning....i love reading this stuff

Indeed, you were... but I got several others after that.

As for wineanddine, who said that possesion IS real.... this isn't a testimony to that. I'm descirbing an event where an exorcism was performed, and the person's 'personalities' have vanished. I'm still unsure about everything (understandably, there's a lot of reports that say that exorcisms actually have 'theraputic' values), but I thought comments would be interesting to hear.
And some wanted to hear the story.
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Actually, That is exactly what I said!

Exorcism is all about "exorcising" a spirit or spirits out of a being. A persons spirit has a character and nature (personality)that makes it an individual. If the exorcisor does not cast out the appropriate spirit you are left with an open door for the person to be further possessed.

Thats why this whole area is not a game. I would imagine that in the case you talk of, the job is not complete.

Trust me, Trauma, rejection and fear are powerful things. When exorcising a spirit, one must always be aware of the fact that there is a warm blooded person experiencing this act, and we do so not too prove anything, but to set a person free.

If you pour a litre of water out of a vessil, you have a vessil but no liquid. Pour out a persons being and you have no personality(ies). Usually the reason a person has exorcism performed is becuase the overriding personality is not wanted.

However, you cant remove bad charachter.

I empathise with your friend and am saddened with the outcome
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#1091129
Lvl 18
well..... yes, and no.
I don't know if I believe in spirts and whatnot.... for all I know it could be fucked up synapsis (sp?) in his breain and tramua from childhood/ whatever.
If what your talking abotu is convincing the brain it's only playing games, then yes.
as for spirits/beings inside of a persons because they've 'accepted' them as real, I've got nothing to say for that. There are few things I'll belive........
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