Brazilians say women in revealing clothes deserve rape

I agree. It's all been said.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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No...you're saying that if the woman didn't dress that way, the crime may not happen. You're putting the responsibility on the woman, and not demanding that society, and in this case men, be held to a higher standard.

Men that rape women will rape women regardless of what they are wearing.

I was saying what you wear or don't wear can draw more attention to yourself from the mentally deranged types. Not that you deserved or should be raped for what you wear or don't wear. Maybe I put it wrong but that was what I meant. I think men rape for different reasons. None of them are justified, but they are different. You have stranger rape. Boyfriend/ girl friend rape. Spousal rape. Serial rapist types. The below article from the NY times does talk about ways to limit you chances of being a victim

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/specialtopic/rape/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier

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"According to most estimates, 80-90% of rapes are not reported to authorities. Current trends project that 1 in 3 American women will be sexually assaulted at some point during her life.

The typical rape victim is a 16-24 year-old woman. Anyone, however -- man or woman, adult or child -- can be the victim of rape. Most commonly, the assailant is a 25-44 year-old man who plans his attack. He usually chooses a woman of the same race. Nearly half the time, the victim knows the rapist at least casually, by working or living near him. Alcohol is involved in more than 1 out of 3 rapes.

Over 50% of rapes occur in the victim''s home. The rapist breaks into the victim''s home or gains access under false pretenses, such as asking to use the phone or posing as a repairman or salesman.

Rape is a violent act, and most commonly committed by a male upon a female. However, some cases of rape have been reported in which a woman has raped a man. Rape also may occur between members of the same sex. This is more prevalent in situations where access to the opposite sex is restricted (such as prisons, military settings, and single-sex schools).

Rape is an act of violence expressed through sex, but is not primarily about sex.

Those who face some form of discrimination are believed to be at higher risk of sexual assault. This increased vulnerability can assume various forms. For example, those with disabilities or limited language skills have a decreased ability to call for help; prostitutes or convicted prisoners have decreased credibility.
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The most useful prevention tool currently available is to make women more aware of the reality of rape. Law enforcement agencies strongly advocate prevention as the best form of protection. The following safety tips may help minimize the chance of being raped:

Keep doors/windows secured with locks.
If walking or jogging, stay out of secluded or isolated areas and arrange to do the activity with at least one other friend, rather than alone. It is best to engage in activities during daylight hours.
Try to appear strong, confident, aware, and secure in your surroundings.
Keep car doors locked while driving, check back of car for intruders prior to getting in, and park in open, well-lit areas.
On public transportation, sit near the driver or up front if possible; avoid sitting near groups of young men obviously associated with one another.
Consider taking a self-defense class, which can promote self-confidence and provide useful skills and strategies for different situations.
Carry items that can call attention to you if needed (whistles, personal alarms, etc.)
If an assault attempt is initiated, scream loudly and/or blow a whistle.
Do not hitchhike. If your vehicle breaks down and someone offers to give you a ride, ask the person to call for help while you stay locked in your vehicle.

It is better to respond quickly and actively to an attack, according to numerous studies. People, especially women, who resist the attacker this way are more likely to avoid being raped, compared with those who exhibit either passive behavior or no resistance."

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Originally posted by SydneySinbad

Agree.
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Phwoar check those eyes out

My point is if someone wants to rape neither a burka or a skirt makes difference in fact the guy might be excited to see what lies under the burqa

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

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I was saying what you wear or don't wear can draw more attention to yourself from the mentally deranged types. Not that you deserved or should be raped for what you wear or don't wear. Maybe I put it wrong but that was what I meant. I think men rape for different reasons. None of them are justified, but they are different. You have stranger rape. Boyfriend/ girl friend rape. Spousal rape. Serial rapist types. The below article from the NY times does talk about ways to limit you chances of being a victim

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None of the "prevention methods" listed in that article mention type of clothing, and even if it did it still fails to solve the problem. I've come up with a prevention list of my own, I'll share it here for you.

Rape And Sexual Assault Prevention Suggestions For Women:

- Educate the public that rape is not ok
- End the proliferation of rape jokes and culture
- Enforce expectations that men should be able to keep their fucking penis in their pants when they see a woman walking down the street alone.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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None of the "prevention methods" listed in that article mention type of clothing, and even if it did it still fails to solve the problem. I've come up with a prevention list of my own, I'll share it here for you.

Rape And Sexual Assault Prevention Suggestions For Women:

- Educate the public that rape is not ok
- End the proliferation of rape jokes and culture
- Enforce expectations that men should be able to keep their fucking penis in their pants when they see a woman walking down the street alone.

Of course they are scared too mention clothing haha You're talking about Normal men. I am talking about and have been talking about demented serial rapist. Like serial killers, they have preferences when picking out their prey. No amount of education and enforcement are going to change these sickos. Some of these types might pick out women because of the way they are dressed. So I was thinking you might not want to stand out in the crowd and therefore get their attention

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

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Of course they are scared too mention clothing haha You're talking about Normal men. I am talking about and have been talking about demented serial rapist. Like serial killers, they have preferences when picking out their prey. No amount of education and enforcement are going to change these sickos. Some of these types might pick out women because of the way they are dressed. So I was thinking you might not want to stand out in the crowd and therefore get their attention

I am talking about ALL men. Period.

Most rapes aren't committed by serial rapists and psychopaths, just like most murders aren't. 66% of rape victims know their attacker personally, and 73% identify the rapist as an acquaintance; this is especially true with victims under the age of 16, where that number explodes to 93%. And in case you think, yeah...well under 16, thats a small percentage of total victims, think again. 44% of rape victims are under the age of 18.

You are grossly misinformed about rape. You, along with a massive percent of the population want to bury your head in the sand and say, "its the work of psycho's, not much we can do about that" This simply isn't true, rapists are your friends, your family members, your co-workers, and your neighbours. Did you not read the 4 questions post I made earlier? 6.5% of men in a poll freely admitted to being a rapist...and thats just the ones that admitted it. As 60% of rapes go unreported, it stands to reason that the number of men who have committed rape could be as high as 11%. There is an almost absolute chance that you know a rapist, or worse, more than 1.

Now, I ask you again, are we better off telling women not to leave the house or not to wear a skirt...(by the way 60% of rapes happen in the victims home or home of a friend) or are we better off educating and demanding those men to live to a higher standard?


*Disclaimer - I know I sound like I'm bashing men, and if you've taken it that way, I apologize. I don't believe that all men are potential rapistist, and I don't hate men. When I talk about men in this thread, I'm specifically talking about the men that are capable of rape.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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None of the "prevention methods" listed in that article mention type of clothing, and even if it did it still fails to solve the problem. I've come up with a prevention list of my own, I'll share it here for you.

Rape And Sexual Assault Prevention Suggestions For Women:

- Educate the public that rape is not ok
- End the proliferation of rape jokes and culture
- Enforce expectations that men should be able to keep their fucking penis in their pants when they see a woman walking down the street alone.

The problem with these solutions is that it's very idealistic and will take years and generations before its effects start to take place. It's good to be idealists when thinking of long term permanent solutions, but we have to be realists when it comes to short term solutions. The reality is rape happens and those solutions don't help us today - we need short term solutions and right now preventative measures seem to be the most effective way to deter rape. Whether that should include what type of clothes to wear, you wear whatever you want to wear. You should be able to do that. You're your own person and you're responsible for yourself.

But just doing some statistical analysis from the article, of the 3810 respondents of both men and women, 65% (or 2,480) felt that dressing provocatively was "asking for it". 66.5% of the respondents were women, which means 33.5%, or 830 (33.5% of the 2480) , were men. Of those 830 men that felt dressing provocatively were "asking for it", let's say that 10% are rapists - that's 83 rapists who feel that dressing provocatively is "asking for it". Do you want to take your chances with them? Furthermore, the problem with educating the public is this: it may start to change the minds of normal, non-rapist men, but it won't change the mind of a rapist. Of the 830 men that felt dressing provocatively were "asking for it", you'll get 747 (830 men minus 83 rapists) normal men who will change their viewpoint, but you'll still get 83 rapists with the same mindset. You can't change the mind of a criminal - that's what makes them criminals.

My point is this: you should be able to wear whatever you want to wear. It's also dishonest to think that articles of clothing have no effect on rape statistics. Since we are living in this current world we live in, if you go out with a cute outfit, take the preventative measures and bring a friend. No that's not the ideal solution, but being an idealist won't save you now - being a realist will.

It may be idealistic, but it doesn't change the fact that it needs to happen. Telling women that they should live in fear and be prepared is not the solution.

And as I mentioned in my post prior to this, "rapists" can be anyone, they aren't just the random psychos. Again...73% of women know their attacker on some level, and 60% of rapes took place in either the victims home or the home of a friend. So quite frankly, I would rather take my chances with the random guy out in public who thinks I'm dressed too provocatively.

...that's actually a legit anti-rape poster by the way, not a spoof.

Tell it like it is Sugar. You're on a roll. Right on target.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

It may be idealistic, but it doesn't change the fact that it needs to happen. Telling women that they should live in fear and be prepared is not the solution.

And as I mentioned in my post prior to this, "rapists" can be anyone, they aren't just the random psychos. Again...73% of women know their attacker on some level, and 60% of rapes took place in either the victims home or the home of a friend. So quite frankly, I would rather take my chances with the random guy out in public who thinks I'm dressed too provocatively.

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Originally posted by jhope1

...that's actually a legit anti-rape poster by the way, not a spoof.

I totally agree with you, thanks for posting it.

If you pull over to help a woman with her car, don't rape her.

How does one come up with the statistic that 60% of rapes go unreported? Does that mean unreported to the police or to anybody? If they're not reported, how does anyone know they happened?

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Originally posted by Davey45

If you pull over to help a woman with her car, don't rape her.

How does one come up with the statistic that 60% of rapes go unreported? Does that mean unreported to the police or to anybody? If they're not reported, how does anyone know they happened?

Sorry, I should have clarified...unreported to police.

One can also find these data (in the USA) at the Bureau of Justice Statistics at http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid317. More can be found at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Center for Injury Control, at http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/. There is also the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey that has some very reliable data. There are similar data sets for most other countries.

Regardless of what people cite as problems with the methodology, the different approaches yield similar data. We need to address this on a very fundamental cultural level, and deal with it.

Well, I had said that it had all been hashed over on this thread and then I read this on today's news:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0430/Montana-rape-case-Court-overturns-one-month-sentence-for-teacher

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Originally posted by F1098

Well, I had said that it had all been hashed over on this thread and then I read this on today's news:

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I posted the original story either in here or the News Thread earlier, I can't remember which. Glad to see it overturned. The teacher should get at least 10 years (he won't) and the judge should be fired (he won't either).

I googled some articles about Serial rapist. The article talked about how these rapist methodically plan their crime. There was one who would rape women in office buildings in NYC. You would think you would be safe in a office building. He would find a floor which had empty offices. Then he was dress up like an office worker--suit, tie and brief case so he fit right in. Then he would watch for a single woman getting on a elevator. Then at the last minute he would walk in with her. Then pull a knife on her and take her to the floor he had previously scoped out and rape her. He did dozens of rapes before he was caught. Then there are those that watch single women's homes for weeks and learn their routine. One raped many including one teen and she asked him why he did this to her(after he raped her) and she said because "You are beautiful". He raped women who lived near wooded areas so it was easier to escape. He picked storm nights so it would cover up the sound of windows breaking or being forced up. One moron raped many women while they were a bus stops. He would just suddenly walk up to them and say come with me I have a weapon. He did dozens and was never caught
These people can't have a conscience. Something is definitely wrong with them that society can't straighten out . I don't think society created these monsters. I do believe in Demons. I think Demonic forces have taken complete control of them. Really your fault if you let Demons in. I don't think there is any other way to explain what makes a person not care how much long term damage they do to someone else. There is just too much documented evidence of Demons to ignore. In the beginning, the Universe was so perfect it created an imperfection. Out of this imperfection came death and demons. The Mind cannot and does not create monsters. The Mind can be controlled by another force. Just because use our limited ability (5 senses) doesn't mean things don't exist. We can't see "Black holes" in the Universe but they exist all over the Universe. We can't see "Dark Matter" in the Universe but it exist. Nor can we see Gravity...

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Originally posted by NightCruiser

I googled some articles about Serial rapist. The article talked about how these rapist methodically plan their crime. There was one who would rape women in office buildings in NYC. You would think you would be safe in a office building. He would find a floor which had empty offices. Then he was dress up like an office worker--suit, tie and brief case so he fit right in. Then he would watch for a single woman getting on a elevator. Then at the last minute he would walk in with her. Then pull a knife on her and take her to the floor he had previously scoped out and rape her. He did dozens of rapes before he was caught. Then there are those that watch single women's homes for weeks and learn their routine. One raped many including one teen and she asked him why he did this to her(after he raped her) and she said because "You are beautiful". He raped women who lived near wooded areas so it was easier to escape. He picked storm nights so it would cover up the sound of windows breaking or being forced up. One moron raped many women while they were a bus stops. He would just suddenly walk up to them and say come with me I have a weapon. He did dozens and was never caught
These people can't have a conscience. Something is definitely wrong with them that society can't straighten out . I don't think society created these monsters. I do believe in Demons. I think Demonic forces have taken complete control of them. Really your fault if you let Demons in. I don't think there is any other way to explain what makes a person not care how much long term damage they do to someone else. There is just too much documented evidence of Demons to ignore. In the beginning, the Universe was so perfect it created an imperfection. Out of this imperfection came death and demons. The Mind cannot and does not create monsters. The Mind can be controlled by another force. Just because use our limited ability (5 senses) doesn't mean things don't exist. We can't see "Black holes" in the Universe but they exist all over the Universe. We can't see "Dark Matter" in the Universe but it exist. Nor can we see Gravity...

There will always be psychopaths (and sociopaths) in the world and some will be rapists and then some could ramp up to the next level and be murderers. The ten thousand dollar question in my opinion is how do you stop it?

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Originally posted by unknown1002001

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There will always be psychopaths (and sociopaths) in the world and some will be rapists and then some could ramp up to the next level and be murderers. The ten thousand dollar question in my opinion is how do you stop it?

You can't, unless you want to monitor every single person and prevent them from doing what they want.
But as it's been said before, those kind of individual are a minority. The majority of crimes aren't perpetrated by psychopath.