When Deleting Problematic Pics

I realize the mods here are over-tasked and under-staffed. That said, when deleting a picture, it would be helpful if that picture were checked to see if it is part of a set. Here's why:

I have a picture in my favorites and I know there are at least a dozen more pics of this chick on this site. The problem is that I haven't seen those other pics since the series feature was added, so all I have is my picture that's in my favorites.

The other day, I finally ran across a second pic from the series. I immediately linked the two and went on about my happy way, hoping to some day find the others.

A day or two later I noticed that the second pic had been deleted.

This tells me it was a dupe, because she's not a pro and her other pics have been on this site. This also tells me that there is a set out there that someone knows about and has probably linked several of the pics together.

If the mod who deleted the second picture had noticed it was linked, they could have linked the first picture to the rest of the set. Then they could have deleted the dupe.

But now I'm pretty much back to square one, hoping to run across this chick eventually.

Yeah, I know that there's a "Who's that Girl" forum, but I don't want to spam the place up and I have several picture sets I'm currently hunting. It's not worth starting a thread for each one.

I just thought that since someone had all the pictures right at their fingertips when the pic was due to be deleted, if they had first linked the images and then deleted the dupe, it would have saved a lot of trouble and helped the site.

It seems small, but this small step of efficiency would really go a long way on a site with over 30,000 sets already and approaching 2 million pictures. Just for ease of organization, when someone gets an easy shot at putting a series of pics together, they might consider doing that to save time and energy down the road. Over the course of two million pics, one small step can go an awfully long way.

Just because the mod knows that one particular pic was a duplicate, doesn't mean they know where to find the original though, and doesn't mean they know it was part of a set. It seems to me that you're expecting the mod who deleted the pic, to know from memory the link for the original pic.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

Just because the mod knows that one particular pic was a duplicate, doesn't mean they know where to find the original though, and doesn't mean they know it was part of a set. It seems to me that you're expecting the mod who deleted the pic, to know from memory the link for the original pic.

Actually, that's not at all what I'm saying and am again left wondering how that conclusion was drawn based on the words I wrote.

I asked if they would check for a series prior to deleting, if possible.

I don't recall making a request for omniscience. I don't recall the words "if the mod can remember where they saw it last" being present in my post.

In fact, my exact words were:

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I just thought that since someone had all the pictures right at their fingertips when the pic was due to be deleted, if they had first linked the images and then deleted the dupe, it would have saved a lot of trouble and helped the site.

"Had all the pictures right at their fingertips."

That's pretty indicative that I mean they might want to take a look at a time and place when they do in fact, have the pictures right there in front of them.

I am aware that not every circumstance will permit this, and I wouldn't expect it to be universally possible. But I by no means expect anyone to be omniscient. I just wanted to raise the issue so that if a situation arises where it's easy and can be done, we can all save a lot of time and energy down the road by linking before deleting.

I don't expect anyone to read minds or have photographic memories. I never said anything of the sort.

For added clarity, I am running under the presumption that in order to delete a picture, some sort of verification takes place. If this is erroneous then please let me know.

But I would think that if the process is simply that someone reports a pic and the staff just takes them at their word (and memory, which is terribly flawed in us humans), there are a lot of pictures that would be deleted in error.

So my presumption is that there's some sort of verification needed to have a pic removed for being a pro or a duplicate. Either multiple people need to report it, or someone has to recognize the model... But maybe that's actually not done here.

I would think that just accepting one report on a picture to remove it would lend itself to all sorts of abuse and error, but perhaps that's really all it takes to a get a pic removed here.

When I report a picture, I link to the pic it's a duplicate of in my report. When I report one for being a pro, I give the model's name and where needed, I link to a site that has the pictures in question.

Maybe not everyone does that, but I do. I do it so that you all know that I'm not just making stuff up and that the chick really is a model. My persumption is that a picture doesn't get removed just because someone reports it - otherwise we'd have clowns all over the site reporting everything and there wouldn't be any pictures left.

But maybe I'm mistaken. Perhaps there is no verification to prevent abuse at all, in which case no mod would ever need to verify anything and thus wouldn't have to verify that a picture is a duplicate. In that case, sure, I can see why that isn't done very often.

But my point was still just one of "when and if it's possible, would you guys please do that?" - I still didn't expect a member of the staff to go hunting for a picture series every time a pic was reported. I only asked if they could do so if it was handy and available.

Don't know how other mods do but I can tell you that this is already my way of removing pics.
If a duplicate is reported I first look at the quality of both pictures (the one with the best quality stays : size , not cropped, etc) , then I look at the date it was posted and before delete the one I don't keep I look if there are other pictures added to his series...If that is so I link the new picture to the existing serie before delete the picture I want ot remove.

We don't delete pictures just because somebody says it's a repost , the prove has to be done by linking the other existing picture in de report.
Some guys put the word "repost" as comment to a picture and this doesn't result in a remove of it , we then remove the comment because one word comments are not allowed.
The same with mentioning the name of a pro , we look than on the internet if it is true before taking any action.
So your way of reporting pictures is the good way...

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Originally posted by eightball88

Don't know how other mods do but I can tell you that this is already my way of removing pics.
If a duplicate is reported I first look at the quality of both pictures (the one with the best quality stays : size , not cropped, etc)

Just out of interest, on the 'cropping' topic - if there is a picture of an attractive woman standing on a beach next to a guy, and I crop the picture in order to remove the guy, does this mean if someone else uploads the same photo but leaves the guy in it, THAT one would be kept on the site and mine would be removed? I only ask because I would assume most people would prefer to see the female-only version, yet your comment suggests the photo with the dude would remain?

That's right , the rules are no crops...see the rules below (number 4)

https://whatboyswant.com/forums/read/146141/Babe_Gallery_Pic_Uploading_Rules.html/limit:10

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Originally posted by eightball88

That's right , the rules are no crops...see the rules below (number 4)

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Ok cool - can I ask why that is a rule? In my example above, I don't really see the negative aspect of cropping a guy out of the photo.

Also, with regards to beach photos - there is a strong possibility that in some cases there would be a photo of a woman on the beach, and in the background there are children playing. If there is a way to crop the photo so that the woman remains and the children are cropped out, again I don't see why this is a negative thing.

Please note I'm not asking in order to stir up trouble, it's basically for my own understanding for when I upload photos.

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Originally posted by Tarquin

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Actually, that's not at all what I'm saying and am again left wondering how that conclusion was drawn based on the words I wrote.

I asked if they would check for a series prior to deleting, if possible.

I don't recall making a request for omniscience. I don't recall the words "if the mod can remember where they saw it last" being present in my post.

In fact, my exact words were:

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"Had all the pictures right at their fingertips."

That's pretty indicative that I mean they might want to take a look at a time and place when they do in fact, have the pictures right there in front of them.

I am aware that not every circumstance will permit this, and I wouldn't expect it to be universally possible. But I by no means expect anyone to be omniscient. I just wanted to raise the issue so that if a situation arises where it's easy and can be done, we can all save a lot of time and energy down the road by linking before deleting.

I don't expect anyone to read minds or have photographic memories. I never said anything of the sort.

My problem with your idea is this:

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Originally posted by Tarquin

If the mod who deleted the second picture had noticed it was linked, they could have linked the first picture to the rest of the set. Then they could have deleted the dupe.

How is the mod supposed to find the series? If Picture A is a repost and is linked to picture B, but isn't linked to pictures C-H in the series How is the mod supposed to find pictures C-H to link the series together?

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Originally posted by jhope1

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Ok cool - can I ask why that is a rule? In my example above, I don't really see the negative aspect of cropping a guy out of the photo.

Also, with regards to beach photos - there is a strong possibility that in some cases there would be a photo of a woman on the beach, and in the background there are children playing. If there is a way to crop the photo so that the woman remains and the children are cropped out, again I don't see why this is a negative thing.

Please note I'm not asking in order to stir up trouble, it's basically for my own understanding for when I upload photos.

Agreed, and in some cases the rule doesn't make sense, and why I disregarded it in some cases. The rule was originally started (I believe) to prevent people from posting pictures by cropping out watermarks and copyrights.

I don't see what is the problem about a men in a picture , you can't cropped every man out in every picture or blur every face of a men or other girls you don't like to see.
There is less commotion about what part of the atanomy of a men you can see in the amateur porn section
Some guys here don't like black girls , tattoo's , big ladies or ladies who smoke , that's not a reason for a mod to not accept the picture or let those things being cropped out.
I've seen a lot of pictures that were badly cropped and made it look worse than before.
At the other hand a picture that is cropped out can give some problems for the removable of reposts , the site link the pictures in the waiting queue automaticaly to exitsting duplicates.
But I think that the most pictures that are cropped out here on the site are just to remove a watermark.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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My problem with your idea is this:

... How is the mod supposed to find the series?

I don't know how much more clearly I can say this, Sugarpie.

The mod isn't supposed to find the series.

I'm only asking that they link before deleting if they have the relevant pics in front of them at the time.

I really don't know how I can be any more clear than that. Of course, that's never stopped you from putting words in my mouth and then fighting over them before, but there you go. That's really as clear as I know how to be. I suppose you'll hear me this time if you want to. It's only the sixth time in this thread that I've said it.

As Eightball pointed out, when a mod verifies that a picture is a dupe, they have both pictures in front of them. All they have to do is look at the two pics to see if they're part of a series. If so, they should be linked together before the dupe is removed so that the pic that is kept is put into the series in place of the one that's removed. No one has to find anything.

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Originally posted by eightball88

Don't know how other mods do but I can tell you that this is already my way of removing pics.
If a duplicate is reported I first look at the quality of both pictures (the one with the best quality stays : size , not cropped, etc) , then I look at the date it was posted and before delete the one I don't keep I look if there are other pictures added to his series...If that is so I link the new picture to the existing serie before delete the picture I want ot remove.

We don't delete pictures just because somebody says it's a repost , the prove has to be done by linking the other existing picture in de report.
Some guys put the word "repost" as comment to a picture and this doesn't result in a remove of it , we then remove the comment because one word comments are not allowed.
The same with mentioning the name of a pro , we look than on the internet if it is true before taking any action.
So your way of reporting pictures is the good way...

Good to know there is indeed verification. Thank you. I figured there was some sort of verification but it's good to get confirmation.

So if a mod happens to have two pics right in front of them, it's pretty easy to see if the one they're deleting is part of a series or not, and whether or not the second one should be part of that series. All I'm saying is that it's a good opportunity to take five seconds to put the series together before deleting the old pic. That's not to say that some mods don't already do that, but I wanted to mention it in case some don't but are willing to.

@Tarquin :

There are a few ways a picture can be deleted :
- it's been reported via the report button. As I am the one dealing with them, I can assure you I check the reason before deleting anything. If it's reported as pro, I'll check on googe if she is indeed pro, if it's reported as a dupe and the link to the other one is given, I'll check that too and remove one of them depending on the same rules eightball stated first (quality/uncropped first, date if identical). In this case, if there is linking to be done, I'll do it too. If no links of the original pics are given but I remember for sure seeing that pic in the galleries, I'll remove it (and in this case, I can't link it indeed). If I can't recall that, I won't delete the pic.

- when moderating picture, the system automatically detects and display previous duplicate in the galleries. So we can clean the gallery from those (and of course delete the one that is currently reviewed). Now it depends on the mod whether he will take the time to check each dupes and maybe link them or will just delete all dupes but one. So it might be where lots of pic disappearance comes from. But as you said, we don't always have the time to check even though it's encouraged.

- a mod notice a picture that should be deleted (either from browsing the galleries or because someone stated it in the comments) : same as above, if the mod has time and knows where the dupe is, he will link it before deleting the other.

@jhope

Your comments about cropping a guy / child are valid but I also refuse crops in this case for two reasons :
- reposts/copyright : when a picture has been cropped, we don't know why. But it could be (and often is) to remove a copyright. So we can't accept those anyway (and we obviously don't have the time to check the whole internet to see if we can find the original one without any watermark). Also, it often is a repost so there is no point adding a picture that is already in the gallery but larger.

- quality : first because the process of cropping a picture and then saving it again will reduce the quality if not done right (and it's very often the case), secondly because it breaks the picture ratio/general aesthetic which is also a quality property. Of course we're not an artistic photography site but I've seen so many pic cropped just around the girl body (right above the head, below the feet, around the arms) and that's not as nice to look at as the original one.

As for the child removal, I consider that if a picture was taken with a child in it, then it wasn't meant to land on a porn website. Of course lots of others pics aren't (facebook like non-nude pics etc.) but at least those with child make it clear for me.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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My problem with your idea is this:

... How is the mod supposed to find the series? If Picture A is a repost and is linked to picture B, but isn't linked to pictures C-H in the series How is the mod supposed to find pictures C-H to link the series together?

I must be reading this the same way. So Tarquin links two pictures, but wants the whole set or at least more. There aren't any more pics linked to these two, otherwise, he would have the additional pictures.

So if one of the two that he linked was deleted, that doesn't mean that the mod knows where the rest of the pictures from that series are on the site. If they weren't already linked to the two that Tarquin had, the mod would actually have to know where in the 1.5 million+ pics on this site the rest are hiding and then go out and find them.

IF the pic was deleted for being a duplicate and IF that was brought up by the duplicate finding software, and IF the duplicates that came up were linked into a series, the non-duplicates could be linked to the existing series. But there are a lot of gaps between what Tarquin describes and that scenario. All we know is that two pics that weren't part of a series were linked together, then one was deleted.

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Originally posted by kylecook

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I must be reading this the same way. So Tarquin links two pictures, but wants the whole set or at least more. There aren't any more pics linked to these two, otherwise, he would have the additional pictures.

So if one of the two that he linked was deleted, that doesn't mean that the mod knows where the rest of the pictures from that series are on the site. If they weren't already linked to the two that Tarquin had, the mod would actually have to know where in the 1.5 million+ pics on this site the rest are hiding and then go out and find them.

IF the pic was deleted for being a duplicate and IF that was brought up by the duplicate finding software, and IF the duplicates that came up were linked into a series, the non-duplicates could be linked to the existing series. But there are a lot of gaps between what Tarquin describes and that scenario. All we know is that two pics that weren't part of a series were linked together, then one was deleted.

What Tarquin is talking about is this scenario :
- pic A is part of a series and is a repost
- pic B is pointed out as being the original one in the galleries but isn't part to that series.
- pic A is deleted (as it's a repost) but pic B isn't linked to the series beforehand.
- the series is now short one pic (pic B) that will most likely not be found again.

This can easily happen when moderating pics if 2 or more duplicates are found while reviewing a picture. The mod can then just delete all but one duplicate.
The problem is if some of the pics deleted like that were part of a series while the one remaining isn't, this picture will likely not be found as part of the series.
So if he has time, the mod should check if the pictures he's going to delete are part of a series and link the picture that will stay to this series (so that the series is still "complete" ).

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Originally posted by omuh

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What Tarquin is talking about is this scenario :
- pic A is part of a series and is a repost
- pic B is pointed out as being the original one in the galleries but isn't linked to that series.
- pic A is deleted (as it's a repost) but pic B isn't linked to the series beforehand.
- the series is now short one pic (pic B) that will most likely not be found again.

I understand. But that doesn't sound like what Tarquin described with this case. He only had the two pics that weren't in a series.

If we have the series, sure, link before deleting the duplicates. But unless you just know where the series is, you would need the duplicate finder to pull up the duplicates and then check each picture that comes up to see if it is in a series already. Which is fine, and a lot of mods already do that. But it also makes the quick view in the mod screen worthless if that's the case since we have to click into the pic location to see if there is a series button or not.

Again, that's fine. It makes things slower if we have to check every duplicate for series first, but that can happen.

**edit** if the duplicate is reported with the link to the original picture, then yes, by all means - add it to the series since you have both pic addresses right there.

Yep the quick view interface could be improved to add something to show if a pic is part of a series. That would avoid opening all of them before deletion.

But from what Tarquin said afterwards I understood it as "if you delete a dupe from a series and know where the original is, at least link the original to the series".

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Originally posted by Tarquin

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I don't know how much more clearly I can say this, Sugarpie.

Apparently you can, because I still don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Rather than explain yourself better or use my example so I can understand you better, and maybe see your point, you just say I put words in your mouth and insist that I'm fighting with you.

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Originally posted by Tarquin

As Eightball pointed out, when a mod verifies that a picture is a dupe, they have both pictures in front of them.

And this isn't true...and least it wasn't when I modded pics. When I modded pics, If I saw a picture in the queue that I knew I'd seen before, I simply deleted it. I didn't have the original in front of me to verify anything, and I had no idea if it was part of a series or not, I was simply going by my memory that I'd seen that pic posted before. Now...maybe something has changed in the way pics are modded now, so I could be wrong. So, if you're not too concerned that I'm being argumentative, maybe you can see my point and understand that in that case it would be impossible to do as you're asking unless you happened to know from memory where the series is located within the hundreds of thousands of pictures in the database.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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Apparently you can, because I still don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Rather than explain yourself better or use my example so I can understand you better, and maybe see your point, you just say I put words in your mouth and insist that I'm fighting with you.

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And this isn't true...and least it wasn't when I modded pics. When I modded pics, If I saw a picture in the queue that I knew I'd seen before, I simply deleted it. I didn't have the original in front of me to verify anything, and I had no idea if it was part of a series or not, I was simply going by my memory that I'd seen that pic posted before. Now...maybe something has changed in the way pics are modded now, so I could be wrong. So, if you're not too concerned that I'm being argumentative, maybe you can see my point and understand that in that case it would be impossible to do as you're asking unless you happened to know from memory where the series is located within the hundreds of thousands of pictures in the database.

We were never mods at the same time, but I think it has changed a bit. You might have the original in front of you when you mod now. I think that more often than not, you won't. But you might.