How long does it take to approve uploads?

My uploads have been pending for weeks. Is that normal?

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Originally posted by attroppo

My uploads have been pending for weeks. Is that normal?

It seems that way if you're not certain individuals here. They say there's no favoritism, but can't explain how some people get pics uploaded almost every day and others get 300 or more pics uploaded in one day. That's why I refuse to upload anymore pics here. I'm sure you'll get reply from Diz-x or one of the mods that I'm just a troublemaker, but check the names of who gets their pics uploaded every day and when they do start uploading yours, keep track of your rejects because some of them will be uploaded by others. You might have a pic rejected as a duplicate, yet it will show up under some one else's name 2 weeks later.

Something i wierd when some can upload pictures all day long. My photos always tace 1week up to 3week. Some of my videouploads only dissapear no explain why.

I have found that photos that are on the fence as to acceptance or not take a while to be accepted (or rejected). I'd say it's normal

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Originally posted by strictguy

It seems that way if you're not certain individuals here. They say there's no favoritism, but can't explain how some people get pics uploaded almost every day and others get 300 or more pics uploaded in one day. That's why I refuse to upload anymore pics here. I'm sure you'll get reply from Diz-x or one of the mods that I'm just a troublemaker, but check the names of who gets their pics uploaded every day and when they do start uploading yours, keep track of your rejects because some of them will be uploaded by others. You might have a pic rejected as a duplicate, yet it will show up under some one else's name 2 weeks later.

this isn't totally wrong. I know I'm probably going to screw up my application to be a mod, but I wanted to get it specifically for this reason. there are multiple instances of my pics being rejected and another guy uploading the same thing, or having many pictures approved and still only being allowed to upload no more than 50. I just wanted to help, and see how it all worked so I didn't have to bitch about it. plus I like bush and would literally and figuratively plow through pics looking for more bush.

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Originally posted by attroppo

My uploads have been pending for weeks. Is that normal?

Hi attroppo. We currently have around 13,000 images in the queue so it can take a while to get through it (bearing in mind the queue is constantly being added to as well).
I can see that you have 2 images waiting to be approved, both of which were uploaded 10 days ago - we will get to them eventually but hopefully you can appreciate the size of the task at hand. Waiting 2-3 weeks at present isn't so bad but this can fluctuate depending on queue size and moderator activity.

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Originally posted by puck33

this isn't totally wrong. I know I'm probably going to screw up my application to be a mod, but I wanted to get it specifically for this reason. there are multiple instances of my pics being rejected and another guy uploading the same thing, or having many pictures approved and still only being allowed to upload no more than 50. I just wanted to help, and see how it all worked so I didn't have to bitch about it. plus I like bush and would literally and figuratively plow through pics looking for more bush.

I think everyone's queue limit starts at 50 or 100 when they first join the site (not sure which it is currently) and builds up over time (depending on the quality of their uploads). I can see from your stats that you have a 56.83% approval rating but you've also uploaded less than 1000 images. Once the approval score starts to go up, so does your upload allowance.


If your images get rejected, you get penalty points for some of the reasons. It used to be as follows:

Duplicate: 0
Watermarked: 2
Pro: 2
Under aged: 4
Gross/Extreme: 1
Bad Quality: 1
Altered/Photoshopped: 1
Other: 0

Depending on your user score, members will change Group. The lower the group, the higher the priority their upload will get in the queue and the higher their number of upload allowed will be, as follows :

Group 1: score 90 to 100 - queue limit: 1000
Group 2: score 70 to 89 - queue limit: 500
Group 3: score 50 to 69 - queue limit: 250
Group 4: score 40 to 49 - queue limit: 100
Group 5: score 20 to 39 - queue limit: 50
Group 6: score 0 to 19 - queue limit 25

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Originally posted by puck33

there are multiple instances of my pics being rejected and another guy uploading the same thing

Yeah this isn't fair - as always I'm happy to look at these types of cases so feel free to send me a private message and I can look into it for you.

It's certainly not a witch-hunt, and the mods DO NOT favour certain uploaders other than the system showing priority to those with a higher upload quality score. The mods do their best but, as mentioned before, a lot of what the mods do is based on opinion (underage, bad quality etc.) so one moderator's opinion can certainly be different to anothers. This doesn't mean we can't look into and potentially reverse decisions so just get in touch when these situations arise 👍

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Originally posted by puck33

this isn't totally wrong. I know I'm probably going to screw up my application to be a mod, but I wanted to get it specifically for this reason. there are multiple instances of my pics being rejected and another guy uploading the same thing, or having many pictures approved and still only being allowed to upload no more than 50. I just wanted to help, and see how it all worked so I didn't have to bitch about it. plus I like bush and would literally and figuratively plow through pics looking for more bush.

Good luck getting to be a mod, hope it works out for you. You know what I'm talking about with your pics being rejected, yet the very same pics are uploaded by certain other individuals here. Also watch your queue log because they'll reject pics as celebrity/model but the same exact girls are uploaded by others, sometimes even the exact same pic. I've had pics rejected for bad quality, but they're clearer than a lot of other pics being posted, or underage, yet certain others here can upload the same girl. The best one is duplicates. They keep saying their system is so good, but if you look through the series there are sometimes 2 or 3 of the exact same pic, then they tell you its because they're different sizes, but yours will get rejected if you alter it in any way.

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

I think everyone's queue limit starts at 50 or 100 when they first join the site (not sure which it is currently) and builds up over time (depending on the quality of their uploads). I can see from your stats that you have a 56.83% approval rating but you've also uploaded less than 1000 images. Once the approval score starts to go up, so does your upload allowance.


If your images get rejected, you get penalty points for some of the reasons. It used to be as follows:

Duplicate: 0
Watermarked: 2
Pro: 2
Under aged: 4
Gross/Extreme: 1
Bad Quality: 1
Altered/Photoshopped: 1
Other: 0

Depending on your user score, members will change Group. The lower the group, the higher the priority their upload will get in the queue and the higher their number of upload allowed will be, as follows :

Group 1: score 90 to 100 - queue limit: 1000
Group 2: score 70 to 89 - queue limit: 500
Group 3: score 50 to 69 - queue limit: 250
Group 4: score 40 to 49 - queue limit: 100
Group 5: score 20 to 39 - queue limit: 50
Group 6: score 0 to 19 - queue limit 25

I've had OC labeled Altered/Photoshopped when the most that has been done is a scan of a Polaroid or cropping. I don't own Photoshop.
As comedian Larry Storch said when stopped at Customs for bringing in pornographic pictures: "Those can't be mine, I don't even own a pornograph!"

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Originally posted by thechoice

I've had OC labeled Altered/Photoshopped when the most that has been done is a scan of a Polaroid or cropping. I don't own Photoshop.

photoshop and image processing software add metadata to your exported image. if you perform an alteration but you preserve the original metadata of the shot photo then you probably pass the moderation (a demonstartion of that is when you process and export from RAW). OC can lead to legal problems so there must be a way of uniquely identifying a picture shot by you or anyone; amateur comes with responsibility. pictures floating the interwebs are ok as long as they are not in the other categories i.e professional/ copyrighted.
we do not need to know what the moderators do or what the system is. we only need to be safe -which includes the report/ remove feature. this place is full of boobs/ ass but there's a terms&conditions and a Disclaimer. this place is on the bright side of the interwebs and we should trust the people behind it.

Gross/extreme getting 1 penalty point, Calbert should be at around 3000 penalty points now... look at the comments on his pics, the majority are comments about not wanting to see anymore, people being fed up etc.
It just cannot be right that one guy uploading more than 3000 pictures of his wife/gf doesnt warrant getting put at the very back of the approval queue.
Clearly we wont ever get the "do not see uploads from this user" feature. it´s been forever since it was promised and still nothing, nonetheless it would probably improve the experience for many of us here, that simply find many of the uploads very gross and unattractive and since it has become very dominating, with a handful of users strictly uploading this, to most, unattractive kind of women.
I´ve been on this forum for 15 years now and the last 2 years has seen a serious change in uploads either by grifters or guys with some seriously weird kinks regarding women. Some kind of solution is in dire need.

Trouble25, spot on. Calbert should be banned as far as I concerned! I do not subscribe to this site to see his wife on a far to regular basis! Very off putting! I have tried reporting the pics as gross, nothing gets done.

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Originally posted by strictguy

[...]Also watch your queue log because they'll reject pics as celebrity/model but the same exact girls are uploaded by others[...]

This just happened to me but in an even stranger way. I saw a girl before, uploaded 15 pictures of her, 3 were approved, 12 rejected as celebrity/model. 8o

We are currently adding more moderators to the crew, see my topic about this. I want to lower the moderation time to maximum of 48 hours.

Another Issue I am addressing is the blurred moderation guidelines. Over the years these have changed without solid written down rules. I am writing the rules/guidelines down as we speak and will be discussing this later on.

@trouble25 and @cybermatt :
Use the filter function in the gallery, you can block a user and filter their content in the overviews/views. If you can't find it, I can place a simple guide for you. So you don't have to see uploads from certain users.

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Originally posted by sk1234

This just happened to me but in an even stranger way. I saw a girl before, uploaded 15 pictures of her, 3 were approved, 12 rejected as celebrity/model. 8o

We have multiple mods working on the queue, this can happen because one would delete it, other one would accept it. The whole biases mods thing is not something I see, if that was true I would have thrown the mod resposible out. I don't like when somebody abuses their powers over others. The problem is more that the guidelines have been blurred over the years, reason I am working on new guidelines and rules to create a better moderation process and less frustration for uploaders.

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

I think everyone's queue limit starts at 50 or 100 when they first join the site (not sure which it is currently) and builds up over time (depending on the quality of their uploads). I can see from your stats that you have a 56.83% approval rating but you've also uploaded less than 1000 images. Once the approval score starts to go up, so does your upload allowance.


If your images get rejected, you get penalty points for some of the reasons. It used to be as follows:

Duplicate: 0
Watermarked: 2
Pro: 2
Under aged: 4
Gross/Extreme: 1
Bad Quality: 1
Altered/Photoshopped: 1
Other: 0

Depending on your user score, members will change Group. The lower the group, the higher the priority their upload will get in the queue and the higher their number of upload allowed will be, as follows :

Group 1: score 90 to 100 - queue limit: 1000
Group 2: score 70 to 89 - queue limit: 500
Group 3: score 50 to 69 - queue limit: 250
Group 4: score 40 to 49 - queue limit: 100
Group 5: score 20 to 39 - queue limit: 50
Group 6: score 0 to 19 - queue limit 25

this is best explanation and transparency into the process I've seen. thanks!

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Originally posted by strictguy

Good luck getting to be a mod, hope it works out for you. You know what I'm talking about with your pics being rejected, yet the very same pics are uploaded by certain other individuals here. Also watch your queue log because they'll reject pics as celebrity/model but the same exact girls are uploaded by others, sometimes even the exact same pic. I've had pics rejected for bad quality, but they're clearer than a lot of other pics being posted, or underage, yet certain others here can upload the same girl. The best one is duplicates. They keep saying their system is so good, but if you look through the series there are sometimes 2 or 3 of the exact same pic, then they tell you its because they're different sizes, but yours will get rejected if you alter it in any way.

Some of this I can understand from the mods view. EXIF data can say Photoshop and thats all they need to see, even if all that was done was cropping out a penis. Most of what I upload was from tumblr and I am very vigilant about not uploading anything that even remotely appears underage to my own eyes, yet have had certain images flagged as such much to my surprise. There are definitely cropped/lower res images of previous uploads for sure, but when the Hash of that image is different, it'd be hard to categorize that without implementing something like PhotoDNA which isn't easy. (I will gladly elaborate to the Mods how I know this but I won't make it public.) In reality there will always be some kind of overlap with people finding various versions of the same image over vastly different upload dates, I get that they can't inherently just say "Oh thats already on here" without some algorithm in place that is effectively PhotoDNA.

I had stopped tracking which images were denied so I can't use anything to compare to now.

However, just because one person thinks a muscular women is gross doesn't mean that it's gross. Same with pubes. Same with whatever. I get urination/etc as being gross. This isn't OnlyWhatAllBoysWant.com, there'd be 75 images total.

Now that I know there is a ranking based on denied images, everything makes sense. But I also don't think I should be punished for trying to upload and add more content. I am a paid member, I'm not doing it just to get download points.

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

Hi attroppo. We currently have around 13,000 images in the queue so it can take a while to get through it (bearing in mind the queue is constantly being added to as well).
I can see that you have 2 images waiting to be approved, both of which were uploaded 10 days ago - we will get to them eventually but hopefully you can appreciate the size of the task at hand. Waiting 2-3 weeks at present isn't so bad but this can fluctuate depending on queue size and moderator activity.

Thanks for the reply. I used to have about 20 images in the queue but deleted them out of frustration after they sat there for about 4 weeks.

I’m glad to hear that efforts are being made to bring down queue times. I think the long queue times and lack of transparency about how the process works turns away a lot of potential new uploaders.

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Originally posted by strictguy

It seems that way if you're not certain individuals here. They say there's no favoritism, but can't explain how some people get pics uploaded almost every day and others get 300 or more pics uploaded in one day. That's why I refuse to upload anymore pics here. I'm sure you'll get reply from Diz-x or one of the mods that I'm just a troublemaker, but check the names of who gets their pics uploaded every day and when they do start uploading yours, keep track of your rejects because some of them will be uploaded by others. You might have a pic rejected as a duplicate, yet it will show up under some one else's name 2 weeks later.

The answer is simple : those people who regularely get their uploads on the website actually upload pics regularely too. They don't upload ALL their pics at once, they upload more and more regularely. So the pics you see appearing on the website are pics they uploaded a while ago, like anyone else, but at this point they already have more pics pending, because they keep uploading (and have a big upload size for the good uploaders).
You can try it yourself. Just upload 10 pics now, then 10 pics a few days later and so on. Then you'll see your pics regularely uploaded (if they are accepted of course). Those uploaders to the same, but with bigger numbers, that's all.

You might notice pics rejected rapidly though, because some mods can check the global queue and can mass delete stuff as a first cleanup for pro/watermark or any obvious stuff.


As for the eternal complaint of "my pics were rejected for x reason, yet it's been accepted for someone else", the answer is always always the same : mods aren't perfect AIs, they're humans and all have different knowledge and subjectivity.
When it comes to knowledge, you can't possibly know all pro actors/models etc, especially now that the sex workers aren't just pornstars so someone might reject your upload because they know if x model but another mod will see the same upload later and accept it because they don't know it's a model.
As for subjectivity, there is no objective way to tell if someone if good enough quality or not. Some are obviously great quality picture, some are obviously super blury and shit quality, but there will always be some one the middle where it's up to the mod to gauge whether it's fine or not. And again, not everyone had the same view, hell even the same person could possibly refuse something that's borderline bad quality and accept something else that is equivalent later on, because they were both on the fence. Same goes for underage, not everyone has the same eye when it comes to spot someone who's too young to be here.

In any case, you can use the report option if you know something has been accepted while it shouldn't have. I do it regularely now that I'm no longer a mod and stuff gets removed pretty quickly. Just try being as factual as possible rather than complain in the report since the mod dealing with those will have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by puck33

Now that I know there is a ranking based on denied images, everything makes sense. But I also don't think I should be punished for trying to upload and add more content. I am a paid member, I'm not doing it just to get download points.

You usually aren't penalised for stuff that you 100% could not know wouldn't be accepted. For example, there's no penalty for duplicates because there's no way you'd know the whole WBW database by heart. I used to apply to same for cropped pics and reject them as "other" rather than "altered" because the internet if full of pictures that have been cropped and reposted over and over so even if you didn't crop stuff yourself, some stuff you upload will be.

Here are a couple pointers to avoid getting penalised by the other stuff :
Watermarked pics : you only need working eyes to detect those
Pros : same as mods, it really depends on your knowledge. Bu if you get a lot of rejected as pro, you probably should reconsider where you get those pics from and stop uploading stuff from that place.
Underage : use your common sense here, and if you wouldn't be able to tell, better not upload
Gross/extreme : it's very obvious stuff here such as blood, puke etc. so it's easy to avoid. Unattractive isn't a reason to refuse a picture (as Diz said, you can block user and filter out content from blocked users, if someone really bothers you).
Bad quality : again, use your eyes. If it looks like a picture that has been reuploaded and save 100 times or like a picture from 90s, probably not worth uploading. Pics that are super small will also be automatically refused (if the system is still the same).
Altered/Photoshopped : fake pics are usually easy to spot (morphed bodyparts like ass/hips or boobs) or fake faces. Big filters applied too. Not sure if cropped pics are in this category or others (as I said I used to put them on other but might depend on the mods).
In the end you will get some penalities because you're not perfect at checking all this. But if you pay attention to what you upload, those should not bother too much your score and it will keep rising as you upload more. If some good big uploaders got there, anyone doing like them can too.

But, to be honest, I've seen way more people complaining while uploading tons of obvious pornstars and watermarked pics, or people who keep uploading the same stuff (probably from the same websites) that gets rejected for the same reasons and never change their way of doing only to wonder why their score is shit, rather than people who care a little bit and actually reconsider what they upload rather than blaming mods.
Mods will do mistakes too though, as I said, they're humans, but more often than not it's easy to show to some people that stuff was refused for a reason (and then you can watch those people reply nothing, only to post the same complaint a few months later).

Sorry for the long reply, just giving my overall experience on this eternal subject