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The World cup and the USA

Starter: linenboy Posted: 18 years ago Views: 3.0K
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#2213231
Lvl 9
I like soccer, it's fun to play and watch, that will always be regardless of what nation you are from, or who you are watching play.
In the United States soccer is BIG with people under 21, but those over 30, who run the country, could care less about it; except for there kid(s) games.
So it has been said in the USA, as a joke, that the only reason those in Europe care so much about the World Cup is because it is the only thing they can do better then those in the USA. I of course know this is not true...but how would the world feel if the USA won the World's Cup...would they treat the team the same way that France has treated Lance Armstrong for winning the Tour? In other words, would controversy no doubt come to the top of the glass?
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#2213232
Lvl 7
It would mean nothing to Europe or the world in fact, just the Germans...
On a serious political note, we could use it for morale and for the troops,
kinda like when we beat the russians in hockey in 1980
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#2213233
Lvl 11
um, like australia, the US have little chance of winning the world cup:EVER
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#2213234
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Originally posted by twwain

um, like australia, the US have little chance of winning the world cup:EVER


i agree on Oz not winning it, but the US WILL win it eventually...they have the population to get the talent, they have the resources and they have the market and population to make it huge. They just need people with interest to put it all together and market the game as well as they do others.

When the US does win it, i dont think there will be any controversary....thats why its the world game. brings people together.
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#2213235
Lvl 27
first of all: it´s called football !!!
until you accept that fact you will never ever have a chance to win the cup.
in theory, if you would win, we wouldn´t have a problem with that as people often support the underdogs (except you play the final against germany )

and concerning your joke:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/olympics/2006/medals.html?SITE=MABODOLY&SECTION=OLYMPICS
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#2213236
Lvl 12
yes, no one calls it soccer over here, we call it football ... !
And your football is named American Football, I play it for 5 years now.

I dont think that the USA is ready yet to win a World Cup ! It probably will take some more time ... like the one said before, u guys have the resources ... You just need to get more people involved!

Besides that, I dont think that we will win this year :/ There are too many good teams! We will see ... Maybe with some luck
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#2213237
Lvl 12
the problem with Proper Football here in the States is that everyone sees it as "the educated man's game" most people are too lazy to actually realize that it is the sport of humanity. I love football (soccer for the Americans) but i hate the MLS and I am dissapointed with the comentary and analysis on the US channels (ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC) the anouncers are jsut dumb... they say things that are factually wrong, they are WAY biased to the american team, and they have little to say the isnot somehow related to the US. it takes all the international fun out of the World Cup.... (they do the same thing with the Olympics). I can't wait to move someplace else in the world so i can enjoy what's best about football... It's the language that the whole world speaks!
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#2213238
Lvl 14
Wow, I wish I could punch you in the mouth in person for all that shit talking you just did while diplaying the US flag under your name!...Who do you think u are?
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#2213239
Lvl 22
a example why it never will be the same in usa.a lil bit to read, but its worth it...


an american in england..

Kozel: Coming To Terms With The Future
Goal.com

Last month Goal.com USA's Kevin Kozel had the pleasure of attending a couple matches over in England. He concluded that MLS will never attain the atmosphere of that in Europe.

I don’t especially enjoy writing this article, but sadly it’s something that I came to terms with a few weekends ago after attending the Manchester United-Chelsea match at Old Trafford. As much as I, and many other people, would like to see MLS become one of the elite leagues in the world, we will never be able to reach the atmosphere of a league match in England. While our players and our league can continue to improve, the atmosphere is simply unattainable for many reasons.

I actually started to notice this while attending the Arsenal-Sparta Prague Champions League match. Highbury, like many of the stadiums in England, is in a residential area. Like many European teams, Arsenal grew out of the local community. The neighborhood watched the team play down the street. The team comprised people they knew. Over the years, the stadium came, the team improved, the budgets increased, and the players changed -- but the team remained the heart and soul of an area.

As I tried to compare this to our sporting culture here in the U.S., only a few examples came to mind: The Green Bay Packers and collegiate athletics. The Packers are from a small city and are owned by their fans. So everyone has a vested interest. Likewise, college students and alumni also have a blood relationship with their teams since they are currently or at one time were classmates with the athletes of these teams.

But these are pale comparisons. The emotions at the Arsenal match, and then the Man U-Chelsea league match a few days later were something that I have never seen before.

As we Americans have seen or heard when watching Premiership or La Liga or Serie A matches on TV, the crowds cheer a great deal. So this wasn’t surprising to me. Nor was it particularly surprising when the volumes exceeded anything that I had ever heard at an American sporting event. What did surprise me was that they didn’t stop, nor do they get quieter. I know that I should expect this from watching matches, but it’s another thing to experience it.

All of this was exponentially raised at the Premiership match between Man U and Chelsea. At Highbury, there had been no real opposition fanbase from Prague. But when Chelsea went to Manchester, it was entirely different. There were 60,000 fans in red yelling at 10,000 fans in blue, and it was anything but friendly. These fans actually hated each other.

Now, think about the sporting events you’ve attended in the U.S. and how crazy they’ve been sometimes. I’ve attended sporting events played between some of the biggest rivals in professional and college sports in the U.S. Inevitably, some drunk, obnoxious guys get it on, but most people simply watch and enjoy a game. And as much as Americans dislike our opponents, we don’t truly loathe them.

When I was surrounded by Chelsea fans singing lewd chants and screaming loud cheers for 90+ minutes, I could look over and see all of the Manchester fans looking back in our direction and I could see the hate on their faces. These people weren’t just singing some insulting songs to offend their opponents. There was a battle in the stands as much as there was on the field. When the Red Devils scored, the players celebrated in front of the Blues section. The players showed the same emotions and disgust towards us as their fans did. In the States, players would be fined and fans would be ejected for the types of behavior displayed throughout the stadium that day. But not there.

And I loved every minute of it.

Unfortunately, this will never happen in the U.S. We will never truly feel the emotion and the involvement of these fans. Most American fans will never put the effort into singing the songs. With most major cities having several sports franchises and no true tie to a team other than “this is the team that plays in my area,” too many people give up when things aren’t going well, especially when so many seasons interfere with one another.

In the U.S., sports are not really sports, are they? They’re business. They are a business for owners, and more and more, for the players. While we may want to compare Roman Abramovich’s spending at Chelsea to that of George Steinbrenner’s with the Yankees, it’s not the same. Abramovich is a rich soccer fan who has built a team to be the best, while Steinbrenner is a rich business man that gets upset when he doesn’t get his yearly return on investment. And, sadly, but honestly, MLS wasn’t created because Americans like soccer. It was created so some people could cash in on the potential growth of soccer.

Don’t get me wrong. Americans like their teams. But the English love their sport, they love their side, and they love the neighborhood that their teams come from. And ultimately, this is why so many people are upset that Manchester United was bought by Malcolm Glazer. He didn’t buy Man U because he likes soccer. He bought them as another corporate toy that will slowly be taken away from the community that surrounds them.

thats the difference....
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#2213240
Lvl 14
American Sports are based on (Community) as much as any sport worldwide, Cities (New York) battle Cities (Los Angeles), and we cheer for our home town...Just 'cause the Brits are on a little island and everyone knows evryone from every in their town does not make it more REAL...
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#2213241
Lvl 16
the best team shall win but we all hope this is going to be good old GERMANY...
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#2213242
Lvl 14
FROM MICROSOFT TRAVEL: "The total area of England is 130,439 sq km (50,363 sq mi), This total, approximately the size of the state of North Carolina"

OK OK We get it, and high school football games in North Carolina get heated too, but look at the big picture PLEASE!!!!
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#2213243
Lvl 12
ok there stone..... i am not bashing the flag... I am not saying americans suck.... I am not saying anything against warm apple pie and the state fair. all I am saying is that we as americans either seem to think we are better than everyone else because we play "real" sports (i hear this all the time when it comes to american football) or we seem to think that the rest of the world are elitest because we are left out of their fun and games. Proper Football is about more than jsut community, it's about passion, loyalty, skill, how one player can be great but in the end is nothing without a team, it's about equallity... Football transends classes, religions, nationalities, sexes, and history. old wounds of civil war can be healed on the football pitch (look at angola v. portugal being played today).

Football is a sport that you can go to anyplace in the world and start a pick up game, everyone knows the rules... it is elegant in it's simplicity... and in the end, no matter how much trash you talk, no matter how big your ego is, no matter how much money you spent on your gear, it is your skill that does the talking, and you can't buy that anywhere (not even at Wal-Mart)
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#2213244
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Originally posted by Stone-Cold

American Sports are based on (Community) as much as any sport worldwide, Cities (New York) battle Cities (Los Angeles), and we cheer for our home town...Just 'cause the Brits are on a little island and everyone knows evryone from every in their town does not make it more REAL...


we live on an even bigger island with even less people...we definately dont know each other.

Now i agree with PARTS of what trust posted...i dont agree with it all.
The problem with the US is the same we have here in Oz...we are sport crazy nations, we follow a bunch of
sports and codes. So the passion for one sport is different, cause its spread all over. The Euros and the South Americans dont play a wide range of sports, so the fan base for teams are founded very strongly. I mean...you think euros are passionate? go to Brazil, Argentina...even Chile, THERE youll see passion, Football is the only 'real' sport people play or support. You support the team of your area, where you grew up...and your dad and your grandad..and so on.

They LIVE football not just play it...so much so that people will kill players that fuck it up for your country!! These players are heros, legends..they are everything you want to be.

The experience is just different.


i remember when i went to Chile, i went to watch a local league game Colo-Colo Vs UC...the stadium had 85,000 people.. military police around the pitch perimeter, with semi-automatics. No seats in the stands...only concrete steps to sit on to have less weapons. The experience was intense. They divide the supporters up. Public transport is divided to keep suporters separated....it was amazing.

The whole weekend, the city of 4 million people was coloured and showing support for their teams ALL over the place. Then the week comes..and things are back to normal..till the next weekend.



The whole fan base and support base is different in the US, Europe and South America. You just hear more of the shit in europe cause thats where the media is..



</jeff>

@ WildRunner - youre pretty right there..anywhere in the world you go, they know football...its universal.
and great rivalries will exist always..like England vs Argentina..but in the game, its all about the game
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#2213245
Lvl 14
I must ask, Where were you born WildRunner>?
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#2213246
Lvl 22
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Originally posted by Stone-Cold

Just 'cause the Brits are on a little island and everyone knows evryone from every in their town does not make it more REAL...


thats kinda a silly statement
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#2213247
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Originally posted by Watty

[reply=Stone-Cold]
Just 'cause the Brits are on a little island and everyone knows evryone from every in their town does not make it more REAL...


thats kinda a silly statement
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more reason why ill send this to you mate..

*moved to sports section*
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#2213248
Lvl 14
Ugg, my post got deleted!..I will make this short then, My wife is from Honduras, I have seen San Pedro Sula Stadium in all it's glory, I kow the passion of the sport is there, but I hate the foriegn comparison to US Football as superior and all that noise...Ahh, I'm tired, tomorrow I will try again
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#2213249
Lvl 13
I know it is hard because we're talking sports here (which is even worse than politics or religion ).
But you people need to relax:
It is not that, I don't know, hockey is more real than table-tennis because more people play or watch it. It's all about support and passion, like Latino said.
If you are really into Basketball or American Football, try to watch every match of your team, and argue with your friends and colleagues about every single minute of the match afterwards that's what counts.
Who cares whether 2 billion other people around the world are interested in the same thing or whether just don't get the rules? If this is YOUR sport, then fuck them!
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#2213250
Lvl 14
^^^ TRUE statment dude^^^^...Ahh , can't wait till NFL kickoff!
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