Preparing for Memorial Day...

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Originally posted by A.B.D.

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Ummm I also don't give a crap what people from other countries think.

oh yeah - lest you all forget Americans freed most of Europe in WWII 'cause ya'll couldn't handle it !

Love ya like a bro Eric,

ABD

Yeah, and it's that exact attitude that makes lots of people around the world hate the United States. Don't be so fuckin' arrogant just because you happened to be born between Canada and Mexico.

By the way, it can be convincingly argued that the Soviet Union was more responsible for the Allied victory in Europe than was the US, and nearly every country involved in WWII made greater sacrifices than the US. Oh, and let's not forget that they were instrumental in the rise of WWII due to their insistence (along with England and France) on the draconian provisions of the Treaty of Versailles.

But hey, Captain American and all that shit, right?

Of course there's other posts on this site, like gay marriage, anal sex, etc, that don't apply to every person on the world that don't get any special mention. Sometimes, allowing a member's efforts to draw attention to an issue that is important and worthwhile to them, as well as many others, to go by without negativity isn't a bad idea. Particularly when that post wasn't presented as a debate. But waddoino

To all our fallen soldiers, be their death in war or peace, that offered to serve because they felt this was a land worth protecting, and even moreso to their loved ones left behind.... I thank you. I have been blessed by you.

And, so I don't get too out of touch with what holiday means what, I'll say the same to every soldier that came home, many with scars we CAN'T see, but I'll save that thank you for Veteran's Day.

In my opinion, blind hero worship of the military should always be met with questioning, because it's wrong and poisons any objectivity toward the actual actions of the military we might have.

I wrote a whole long screed about why, but really that's the reason I took the tone I did in this thread.

I won't disagree with you. But very few of those men that died, nor their families that sacrificed them, had any decision making power. I think ABD's thread was in honor of those lives, and that is certainly what Memorial Day was created for, which is the only reason I piped in. Those sacrifices DO deserve the utmost in respect, imho.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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Yeah, and it's that exact attitude that makes lots of people around the world hate the United States. Don't be so fuckin' arrogant just because you happened to be born between Canada and Mexico.

By the way, it can be convincingly argued that the Soviet Union was more responsible for the Allied victory in Europe than was the US, and nearly every country involved in WWII made greater sacrifices than the US. Oh, and let's not forget that they were instrumental in the rise of WWII due to their insistence (along with England and France) on the draconian provisions of the Treaty of Versailles.

But hey, Captain American and all that shit, right?

You started with the crappy post not me so don't go trying to twist my post into your view and gains...

and just so your better informed:

Memorial Day, an American holiday observed on the last Monday of May, honors men and women who died while serving in the U.S. military. Originally known as Decoration Day, it originated in the years following the Civil War and became an official federal holiday in 1971. Many Americans observe Memorial Day by visiting cemeteries or memorials, holding family gatherings and participating in parades. Unofficially, at least, it marks the beginning of summer.

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Originally posted by bustMall

I won't disagree with you. But very few of those men that died, nor their families that sacrificed them, had any decision making power. I think ABD's thread was in honor of those lives, and that is certainly what Memorial Day was created for, which is the only reason I piped in. Those sacrifices DO deserve the utmost in respect, imho.

BINGO !! tyvm

requesting that this thread be moved to the lounge as that's where I thought I originally posted it.

The PANEL is for - Fix the world here, talk about all current affairs and debatable news topics

which is where i really didn't want it.

ABD.

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Originally posted by A.B.D.

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You started with the crappy post not me...

Disagree.


Political topics, which include the military, go in the Panel.

Haha!


Love that avatar too. I want one like that...?

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Originally posted by EricLindros

But hey, Captain American and all that shit, right?

Thanks for the wonderful complement- you couldn't have said it any better. I'm proud of our Vets whether alive or dead & deff Love my Country. Our Elected officials & our foreign policy are a diff story - but dont ever dis on a post that honors the men and woman who served.. it's rather tacky and callous & ignorant- Don't you think?!

This is stupid.

Good stuff, bud!!!!

My pop was in WWII, he said the yanks were dangerous because all they did was smoke dope and attract the enemy.

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Originally posted by scrog

My pop was in WWII, he said the yanks were dangerous because all they did was smoke dope and attract the enemy.

me thinks your confused with vietnam. although pot was available in the drug stores in WWII era it was mainly used as a type of lung treatment.

I have nothing against the principle of memorial day (even though there is no such thing in France). Thank the soldiers who fought for your country is honourable but, as EricLindros said, praising whatever military does is really not good. It's just blind patriotism and we all know where it leads and that current and recent wars were not for great justice.

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Originally posted by bustMall

But very few of those men that died, nor their families that sacrificed them, had any decision making power.

At the risk to fall into a godwin point, many people that did horrible things during wars and such had no decision power too. That doesn't make them pure and venerable if they were implied in any suspicious conflicts.

I would gladly thank men and women who fought for our countries. But I will not praise soldiers engaged in oil/resources conflict or disguised genocide as it's the case in current wars. They might not be responsible, they are still not doing anything good for the world or their country.

Finally, I keep in mind that soldiers are not the only ones that helped resisting in WW2 or responsible of some of our system evolutions, by far. There are lots of people, again men and women, who fight everyday each in their way to make the world better (and that was also the case during wars). Just like the US is not the only saviour of WW2, soldiers are not the only ones to thank

if anybody would actually take the freaking time to read every word i posted.. you would see that i never once said i praised the military but rather the veterans who served. it was somebody else who mentioned military worship, not I and that happened on page 3, 2nd post !

I think many of us are responding to the attitude of the cartoons. I thought many were promoting blind patriotism rather than the soldiers.

I like the women and men of the military. I don't like blind patriotism. There is a big difference.

Go soldiers !

One does not need to trust or believe in their government to trust and believe in their country itself. The government that runs a country does not determine the values and character of the nations populace. Decoration Day when it was started was to honor all that sacrificed everything to fight for freedom and equality not just soldiers.
Also EL all service members that have served in the military are considered veterans. So all those that have died to ensure freedom and the rights we have are veterans. I have lost several friends to my govt.'s ridiculous wars and buried many more young men and women that fought not for the oil or control of a nation but they fought for their Nation. The govt. that treats them as disposable commodities is a farce and corrupt, and I do not agree with the wars.
Honor those that protect the basic values of the nation, those that gave their all so that you did not. Bless those that risk everything so that the rest of us can sleep in peace.

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Also EL all service members that have served in the military are considered veterans.

I'm aware, but thanks for the civics lesson.

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Originally posted by nemisis02

So all those that have died to ensure freedom and the rights we have are veterans.

Ok, great. When was the last time a US soldier died to ensure freedom in the United States? 1945?

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Originally posted by nemesis02

I have lost several friends to my govt.'s ridiculous wars and buried many more young men and women that fought not for the oil or control of a nation but they fought for their Nation.

See, this is wrong. If they're being told to do things that are not in the best interests of their nation by their superiors, then they're fighting AGAINST their nation, even if following orders. It's this blind allegiance to the idea that people should support soldiers who fight in conflicts that are not in the best interests of the nation. NO. They should oppose those policies and the mercenaries who, either by will or through ignorance, are carrying out those counterproductive acts.

If you're a police officer, and your Captain orders you to go into someone's home, shoot them and rob them, YOU CANNOT SAY, 'HEY, PRAISE THAT POLICE OFFICER, HE'S KEEPING THE CITY SAFE FOR YOU EVEN IF THE SUPERIORS ARE MISGUIDED." No. He's an active, willing participant, and for that he should be held to account.

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Originally posted by n02

The govt. that treats them as disposable commodities is a farce and corrupt, and I do not agree with the wars.
Honor those that protect the basic values of the nation, those that gave their all so that you did not. Bless those that risk everything so that the rest of us can sleep in peace.

I do honor those who protect the basic values of the nation. But those people, today, are not soldiers. They're people like Glenn Greenwald and Anthony Romero and Jeremy Scahill and Rand Paul and Dana Priest and and Bradley Manning and thousands of other people who fight every day against these awful, destructive policies perpetuated by corrupt politicians serving their military-industrial complex masters.

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Originally posted by A.B.D.

requesting that this thread be moved to the lounge as that's where I thought I originally posted it.

The PANEL is for - Fix the world here, talk about all current affairs and debatable news topics

which is where i really didn't want it.

ABD.

this was also posted on page 3 & luv how it was ignored with no explanation, which leads me to believe some people are using it for "self-service" rather then taking it as it was meant in the first place.

cheers carry on.