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HPV is a "ploy of big pharma"?


Nonsense. It exists, and it's been proven that a number of the viral genes act carcinogenically by downregulating the production of the p53 protein, which is integral in the apoptotic destruction of 'unhealthy' cells. By suppressing apoptosis, the prevalence of tumors is increased.

None of these facts are in dispute. There is a bit of controversy over the vaccines, but there are numerous of studies by numerous oncology departments of hospitals and schools that prove the efficacy of the vaccine.


It's science!


So there.

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Originally posted by rikko

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You seem like YOU don't work in the health care profession. HPV and its vaccine are a ploy of big pharma. READ...Dr. Mercola.
The body's immune systems fights of nastier bugs 24/7 everyday YOU take a breath. 100x worse than HPV.

BTW-----DON'T use the term retarded -it's an archaic term like your thinking.

, I can already sum up your ignorance by simply looking at all of the paranoid links in your signature. People who don't believe in vaccines are idiots. So, you don't want your kid to get autism... and you don't vaccinate for polio. Why should you, right? After all, who the hell has polio these days... I mean really.

... the REASON that you don't see it is BECAUSE of the vaccinations. Then again, maybe you're worried that us nurses sneak in a tracking device while we give your baby an injection. Yes, I'm part of the big conspiracy! Speaking of which, what the hell are you even doing on the Internet? We're watching you...

Do us a favor and try to wrap your head with a condom... and then duct tape your hands behind your back somehow.

Ignorance is bliss rikko. So stay happy but stop giving medical advice.

So, I hope you're getting the idea that "YES, it's possible to still spread HPV even with condom use. Though using a condom /greatly/ lowers the chances." Upon doing some research, it seems there are like 14 strains of the dumb thing, and each person can react differently with each strain. Meaning some people have no symptoms whatsoever. In many cases, the person's immune system simply takes care of it somehow. Some people have it show up in different places and in different ways. Some have it cause different types of cancer. Obviously, the worst case would be the strains that are prone to causing cancer. Hence the comment about throat cancer earlier in this thread. Though, cervical cancer is also a highly probably outcome from the cancer causing strains as well. Once the Doc determines a woman has it...they do some sort of DNA test on the bad cells to determine what type of HPV has been contracted.

Apparently HPV, is one of those things that once you've got it...you've got it. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. There is unfortunately no "test" per se for men. However, urologists have a pee test that can indicate the likelihood of whether a guy has it or not. Also, I read that 50% of sexually active adults male AND female have some form of HPV...or have contracted it and their immune system dealt with it at some point. And, for the vast majority of men we're like carrier monkeys and will never know we have it unless the girl tells us she must have gotten it from us. And even if she does, there's really no good way we can prove it. So, YES take all precautions necessary.

So yeah, gotta love WebMD and the CDC.

well said funbarboy

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Originally posted by EricLindros

HPV is a "ploy of big pharma"?


Nonsense. It exists, and it's been proven that a number of the viral genes act carcinogenically by downregulating the production of the p53 protein, which is integral in the apoptotic destruction of 'unhealthy' cells. By suppressing apoptosis, the prevalence of tumors is increased.

None of these facts are in dispute. There is a bit of controversy over the vaccines, but there are numerous of studies by numerous oncology departments of hospitals and schools that prove the efficacy of the vaccine.


It's science!

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So there.

I laugh at HPV. It really doesn't do anything. They say it causes cancer but they say EVERTHING causes cancer these days. The microwave, coffee in large amounts, cigarettes, chemicals in the air, and on and on. Everyone who's ever died in my family died of some form of cancer or another so I know that's how I'm goin already unless I go early in a car accident, shooting, etc. So really doesn't matter if I smoke and drink myself silly cause I'm gettin cancer one day no matter what. My grandmother was the healthiest person I ever met and still died of cancer. Cancers just in my genes. I'll still live to be ridiculously old though cause we've got longevity in our genes too, the cancer gene doesn't wake up till we're like 80+.

Oh and more things cause cancer in California then anywhere else. California has a much much longer list of things that cause cancer then anywhere else on the planet. For instance solder, it says right on my package "WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer". So stay the hell out of California if you don't want cancer.

@Swiss407 - if you were a woman, you wouldn't be laughing. A close friend of mine has the most severe strain of HPV you can get. What it does is cause cervical dysplasia - this is a scientific fact. Dysplasia of any kind can be a precursor to cancer, and in the case of HPV, it definitely is. What this does is basically cause the mucosa of the cervix to keep rapidly dividing and change cellular structure - this is one way that cancer starts. Whereas a woman normally needs a pap smear once ever 1-3 years, she's got to get a cervical exam every month and a pap smear about ever 2-3 months. She's 23 and already has to battle with the choice of getting a radical hysterectomy to prevent it from progressing ONE more stage into cervical cancer... or the option of being able to have children.

So, in your example where you say your family is prone to cancer, that's more than likely true. Lung cancer is a good example. You might live a perfectly healthy life and end up with lung cancer at 60 - that's a risk we've all got. However, if you work in a coal mine or smoke, then all you've done is increase your odds of getting it at 60, or earlier.

It's like lightning or getting hit by a car - we're all at risk, and some of us are going to get it eventually... but if I go out and hold up a lightning rod or run through intersections all day long "because I'm destined to get hit by a car anyway" ... it will sure as hell happen a whole lot sooner

I had a lady just last night tell me she wasn't going to take blood pressure medication for her pressures which normally run 160-180/80-90. Her family's prone to heart disease and high blood pressure. Same thing, she'll likely die due to this anyway, but if she doesn't take her blood pressure medication, which she won't, it's just going to happen sooner.

Are we getting down to using vibrators, damn these crazy sex transmitted things...

I heard through the grapevine that HON.. has herpasypaclap! Im just saying you never know