Gay & Lesbian ( Marriage)

Barack Hussein Obama has now decided that he is for gay marriage.
Is he just digging for votes?
Is it heart felt?
How do you feel about gay marriage?

I think his timing kinda goes with question 1 I just wish this dummy would stop changing the subject and get America back to work. Marriage Straight or Gay is the least of my worries right now but I am against gay marriage, civil unions fine. If that makes me wrong oh well. I was raised to believe marriage is to be Husband and Wife.

BTW, he decided this back in 1996. He just lied about being undecided about it for the last 6 years or so, mostly for political gain. Now he's come back around to the position currently held by Dick Cheney and Glenn Beck, so, it's not really that radical of an idea, you know?


But either way, the government really shouldn't be involved in deciding what constitutes a marriage, IMO. Government should only recognize civil unions between all people, and marriages should be left to whatever religious institution you subscribe to. It's not the job of the government to dictate what the appropriate living arrangement for people should be, and therefore they shouldn't bestow added benefits for married couples that single/gay/unmarried couples don't receive. It's discriminatory against people not in a traditional marriage.


BTW, whatever you think of him, he's certainly not a dummy. He attended Columbia and then Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. You don't just affirmative-action your way into all of that. You need considerable intellectual (and interpersonal) abilities.

what he said.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

BTW, he decided this back in 1996. He just lied about being undecided about it for the last 6 years or so, mostly for political gain. Now he's come back around to the position currently held by Dick Cheney and Glenn Beck, so, it's not really that radical of an idea, you know?


But either way, the government really shouldn't be involved in deciding what constitutes a marriage, IMO. Government should only recognize civil unions between all people, and marriages should be left to whatever religious institution you subscribe to. It's not the job of the government to dictate what the appropriate living arrangement for people should be, and therefore they shouldn't bestow added benefits for married couples that single/gay/unmarried couples don't receive. It's discriminatory against people not in a traditional marriage.


BTW, whatever you think of him, he's certainly not a dummy. He attended Columbia and then Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. You don't just affirmative-action your way into all of that. You need considerable intellectual (and interpersonal) abilities.

It was not meant literaly He is obviously very smart he just does dumb stuff. I think its Redd Fox that would say "You the smartest dummy I ever met"

Obama is playing politics. He said he thinks gays should be able to marry, stops short of saying it is a right, but then says he thinks it is a state issue anyway. In other words, he is perfectly fine with NC banning it since the state decided to ban it themselves.

Let's get a few things out there. It is a state issue to a certain extent. But a president who supports gay marriage would be expected to push the federal government to do what it can, by allowing gay marriages at military installations, by pushing for laws to enforce the Full Faith and Credit portion of the US Constitution and force state to recognize legal marriages from other states. Obama has not said he would do any of this. He also could have come out a few days earlier and spoke against the NC amendment if he wanted. In other words, I think he is playing politics here and will do nothing to advance gay marriage in the US. If he senses that it is politically advantageous to move further along the road he will do so.

But I do applaud him for finally coming to the same side of the issue as former Vice-President Dick Cheney. lol

My thoughts on the issue:

If you want to stop other people from being happy, you're an asshole.

What HE said....lol

Yes, you were "raised to believe".......which means that on this issue you are on the wrong side of history.

This is a generational thing and it will pass. But for the moment, it is a shame that you can enlist and die for the country that will not let you marry.

Would you die for the country that wouldn't let you marry, AM ?

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Originally posted by Assman!

Barack Hussein Obama has now decided that he is for gay marriage.
Is he just digging for votes?
Is it heart felt?
How do you feel about gay marriage?

I think his timing kinda goes with question 1 I just wish this dummy would stop changing the subject and get America back to work. Marriage Straight or Gay is the least of my worries right now but I am against gay marriage, civil unions fine. If that makes me wrong oh well. I was raised to believe marriage is to be Husband and Wife.

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Originally posted by Assman!

Barack Hussein Obama

Done.

Also, I couldn't care less if the gay community wants to get married. It's really nobodies business but theirs.

If you believe in god and all that jazz, then gays will get judged in the after life and shit, why are you determined to bug them now.

It's a dumb thing that shouldn't even be an issue, like universal healthcare.

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Originally posted by F1098

Yes, you were "raised to believe".......which means that on this issue you are on the wrong side of history.

This is a generational thing and it will pass. But for the moment, it is a shame that you can enlist and die for the country that will not let you marry.

Would you die for the country that wouldn't let you marry, AM ?
...

Don't try to talk to him on any level. You'll just end up with a headache.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

Obama is playing politics. He said he thinks gays should be able to marry, stops short of saying it is a right, but then says he thinks it is a state issue anyway. In other words, he is perfectly fine with NC banning it since the state decided to ban it themselves.

Let's get a few things out there. It is a state issue to a certain extent. But a president who supports gay marriage would be expected to push the federal government to do what it can, by allowing gay marriages at military installations, by pushing for laws to enforce the Full Faith and Credit portion of the US Constitution and force state to recognize legal marriages from other states. Obama has not said he would do any of this. He also could have come out a few days earlier and spoke against the NC amendment if he wanted. In other words, I think he is playing politics here and will do nothing to advance gay marriage in the US. If he senses that it is politically advantageous to move further along the road he will do so.

But I do applaud him for finally coming to the same side of the issue as former Vice-President Dick Cheney. lol

A politician???!!!! ...... playing politic???!!! Get the fuck out of here!!!!

I don't presently have an opinion on the subject.

I am apolitical and don't vote, in order to avoid a conflict of interest.

That being said, generally, I'm for whatever the American people decide is right.

I will say, however, fuck 99% of politicians.

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Originally posted by Bangledesh

I don't presently have an opinion on the subject.

I am apolitical and don't vote, in order to avoid a conflict of interest.

That being said, generally, I'm for whatever the American people decide is right.

lolwhat?

First, I don't believe that you don't have an opinion on the subject.
Second, I don't believe that you're apolitical. You very well may not vote, but that does not make one apolitical.
Third, servicemen voting does not create a conflict of interest.

But your last line about being whatever the peoples say they want, well, you really don't want to go down that road if you're a decent human being. Most civil rights have been won by people standing out from the crowd, bravely convincing others that fairness and equality are traits we should strive for, often at great peril to themselves, only to later be recognized as visionaries and people who were ahead of their time.

Civil rights gains always come "too late" (as in we always look back and say, 'How is it that the US prohibited women from voting less than a century ago!? How is it that the Civil Rights Act was only passed in 1964?' etc.) and to say you're going to stand by what the unwashed masses say is to admit that you'll perpetually be on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of morality, in most instances, if you believe in such a thing.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreeworld

Obama is playing politics. He said he thinks gays should be able to marry, stops short of saying it is a right, but then says he thinks it is a state issue anyway. In other words, he is perfectly fine with NC banning it since the state decided to ban it themselves.

Let's get a few things out there. It is a state issue to a certain extent. But a president who supports gay marriage would be expected to push the federal government to do what it can, by allowing gay marriages at military installations, by pushing for laws to enforce the Full Faith and Credit portion of the US Constitution and force state to recognize legal marriages from other states. Obama has not said he would do any of this. He also could have come out a few days earlier and spoke against the NC amendment if he wanted. In other words, I think he is playing politics here and will do nothing to advance gay marriage in the US. If he senses that it is politically advantageous to move further along the road he will do so.

But I do applaud him for finally coming to the same side of the issue as former Vice-President Dick Cheney. lol

The highlighted part isn't actually correct. DADT has been repealed under Obama and he's declared portions of the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional and instructed the Justice Department to cease defending that legislation in court challenges.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

...the government really shouldn't be involved in deciding what constitutes a marriage, IMO. Government should only recognize civil unions between all people, and marriages should be left to whatever religious institution you subscribe to. It's not the job of the government to dictate what the appropriate living arrangement for people should be, and therefore they shouldn't bestow added benefits for married couples that single/gay/unmarried couples don't receive. It's discriminatory against people not in a traditional marriage.

I agree with almost all of what EL sets forth above. I think it is ridiculous to get hung up on the word "marriage" as if it carries some super-heightened significance under law that somehow cannot be applied to gay and lesbian people. It is a word that is basically used to describe two human beings that willingly choose to share a life together. If you recall, inter-racial "marriages" (between men and women) were illegal in 16 states in 1967 when Loving v. Virginia was decided. In my eyes, it is the same sort of prejudice at work against gay/lesbian couples today. I hope that in 30 years, we (meaning most of us, I am sure some people on here probably still think inter-racial marriages should be banned) look back at this time and understand how short-sighted and bigoted that position actually is when applied to other human beings.

It is all political, and Marriage BY DEFINITION is between a man and a woman, if lesbians and gays want to be together and have a bond I have no issue with it, but it just can never be marriage...

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Originally posted by Assman!

Barack Hussein Obama has now decided that he is for gay marriage.
Is he just digging for votes?

I don't think he's digging for votes as much as he's looking for more money for his campaign. He was against gay marriage when running for president because he needed all of the black vote (black people, according to polls and studies and such tend to be against gay marriage). Now he needs all of the money he can get since it looks like it isn't going to be an easy win this time.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

But either way, the government really shouldn't be involved in deciding what constitutes a marriage, IMO. Government should only recognize civil unions between all people, and marriages should be left to whatever religious institution you subscribe to. It's not the job of the government to dictate what the appropriate living arrangement for people should be, and therefore they shouldn't bestow added benefits for married couples that single/gay/unmarried couples don't receive. It's discriminatory against people not in a traditional marriage.

Very well put and I couldn't agree more.

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Originally posted by thegame14

It is all political, and Marriage BY DEFINITION is between a man and a woman, if lesbians and gays want to be together and have a bond I have no issue with it, but it just can never be marriage...

Oh really?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage?&sourceid=Mozilla-search:

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mar·riage
   [mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.
a. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
b. a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.

It seems the dictionary disagrees with you.

And why do you care what they call it? How does it bother you if same sex people get married? And can polygamists be married? I mean, that's a union between a man and a woman. And another woman, and another woman.

But again, why do you care? If I go into the donut store and order a "glazed bagel," and you're the guy in line behind me, are you going to get all bent out of shape that I called a donut a glazed bagel?

Would all of these Bible people and the Koran people just go off somewhere and argue their shit in private ?

Please leave us alone.

( Pretty please, with sugar and spice ?)