How rude and vulgar do you have to be, to be thrown off this site

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Originally posted by sirlickalot

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No - but you can tell us all why it is terrible! Why don't people want to make this a better site? I just don't get it? Do you have a problem with that?

I have a problem with people not getting jokes.

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Originally posted by Redcloak

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Actually, I want to go there.

You suggest that there's some harassment law being broken here. Further you imply that "redress" is possible. Redress isn't a law, that's just a matter of restitution. I'm more interested in your harassment law suits. You may have 'read up on it", but you didn't "understand up on it". There are no threats, implied or explicit. There's no sustained abuse, hell it didn't even leave that one thread. The burden of evidence in online harassment cases is heavy, much more so than classic stalking/harassment suits.

I ran a web forum whose peak traffic was very similar to what WBW does today, and one of the owners was a detective in the United States. We had law suits filed against us, we had to deal with serious concerns about actual physical harm, and so I've had some very practical experience with this subject.

Our site truly had all sorts. We had people like you too, and to be honest it's annoying. The hypersensitive are equally as frustrating as the jerks who set them off. Don't be that guy. No one wants a site full of jerks flinging insults, but sometimes things can get serious. WBW isn't necessarily a home to many hotbutton issues, but it will happen. The people you really want to have are those who can recognize when they're being indignant or overly aggressive.

These people aren't engaging in actual harassment. They're being rude and potentially offensive. That's not a crime. You're a grown man, so act like it, and get over some hurt feelings. That's my feedback.

You're entitled to your own opinion. I just don't agree with any of it as it is opinion.

There is no universal legal definition of cyber harassment, but it typically is defined as repeated, unsolicited, threatening behavior by a person or group using mobile or Internet technology with the intent to bother, terrify, intimidate, humiliate, threaten, harass or stalk someone else. The harassment can take place in any electronic environment where communication with others is possible, such as on social networking sites, on message boards, in chat rooms or through email. Posting a general opinion on a discussion board or in a forum is not considered cyber harassment.
A cyber harasser often will post comments to the victim that are intended to cause distress and will try to incite others to do the same. The harasser might break into the victim’s accounts and send numerous obscene or hurtful emails and instant messages to the victim’s significant other, family, friends, coworkers and boss. A harasser might even hack into the victim’s computer and take over his or her accounts, change passwords or sign up the victim for things such as pornographic websites and spam. The harasser might set up websites using digitally manipulated, sexual images of the victim or send those images to amateur pornographic websites.

Laws protecting citizens from cyber harassment can vary from place to place and country to country. Western European countries have explicit laws providing their citizens with protection from cyber harasser or stalkers, but as of 2010, some Asian countries had not yet enacted laws against this crime. In the United States, many states have laws that provide some protection from cyber harassment or stalking. There were no U.S. federal laws of this type as of 2010, but there are laws that protect children age 16 or younger from electronic sexual offenses.

Persons who feel they have been victimized should begin to document and collect all harassing messages, postings and other activities. If there is any indication that a perpetrator knows where the victim lives or works or how to find them offline, the victim should contact the local authorities immediately. In some instances, the authorities can track the harasser through an Internet Service Provider and issue a restraining order against the stalker. Victims who cannot file criminal charges against an offender might attempt to file a civil suit, have accounts revoked and have damaging websites shut down.

I've no wish to go down this route (might have helped if you'd read that statement). As for being grown up - I'm not doing this for myself, but for others. The site users! Perhaps if you couldn't work that out, its not me who needs to grow up?

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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I have a problem with people not getting jokes.

I have a problem with bad jokes

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

I had zero problem with original post[/url] that you quoted. While I don't agree with him, I didn't find it rude at all. He wasn't trying to inflame anything, he was simply stating his opinion, just as you were in earlier posts. However, your reply to him in 24[/url] made it personal, and suggested that his ego would be damaged, and that his opinion was idiotic.

Look, I'm not blaming you entirely for the mess at the end of that thread, but in my opinion you certainly played a part; and to suggest that you are an innocent victim of online harassment and abuse is preposterous.

We have to agree to disagree (though Im glad unlike many people you note there are two sides to every story). As for preposterous - I think that is an utterly ridiculous phrase to use in these circumstances. We're all different though!

You also seem to think victim's should be innocent. That doesn't have to be the case.

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Originally posted by vinnybagofdonuts

Getting insulted by something said online is silly. I'm not saying how anyone should feel, but I think some people are way too sensitive. One of the great things about being here is you don't have to really confront anyone. If you don't like what someone is saying then ignore it. There are so many other things to occupy your time with here. For ex.....Beautiful pictures and videos of women...I don't know about you but my attention span isn't that great here because of the plethora of boobage everywhere. On that note... Please feel free to rip my comment apart and say every bad word in the book, for I Vinnybagofdonuts care not what you say, but care more for what this site provides. I think that's where I'm supposed to say the end or I'm yeah that's it.

Very sensible comments. I actually wasn't offended. I do think people could be, so I do think the behavious should stop. I also don't like sites having rules that they don't enforce. Why have the rules. So either remove them or enforce them. That has to be logical surely?

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Originally posted by hydrahead

I voted this thread a 1.

A very deep post!

So are you advocating banning the members you say offended you?

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Originally posted by deathbyboredom

So are you advocating banning the members you say offended you?

No. I'm suggesting that their behaviour should be addressed due to clear breaches of the site rules. Personally I think one should be banned for his behaviour and comments about the site, and one needs a really good kick up the backside.

I wasn't actually offended. I did find their comments to be of an offensive nature however and irritating.

As stated previously, why have site rules if they aren't going to be enforced. Either act upon them or get rid of them. There can be no doubt that some were broken.

I think u maybe need to get something else to occupy your day, maybe too much time on your hands.

Good luck with your fight.

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Originally posted by sirlickalot

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No. I'm suggesting that their behaviour should be addressed due to clear breaches of the site rules. Personally I think one should be banned for his behaviour and comments about the site, and one needs a really good kick up the backside.

I wasn't actually offended. I did find their comments to be of an offensive nature however and irritating.

As stated previously, why have site rules if they aren't going to be enforced. Either act upon them or get rid of them. There can be no doubt that some were broken.

As I said before, you don't know if those members were punished or not, or if they simply had a written warning. To some degree it's up to the mod of the particular forum if he or she feels that it was a serious breach of rules, but we do have a former policy on it; however, we don't make the levels of punishement and the coresponding consequence public...nor do we owe any explaination to the reporting party. If this were my forum, and I was to have given posting bans, you would have recieved one too.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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As I said before, you don't know if those members were punished or not, or if they simply had a written warning. To some degree it's up to the mod of the particular forum if he or she feels that it was a serious breach of rules, but we do have a former policy on it; however, we don't make the levels of punishement and the coresponding consequence public...nor do we owe any explaination to the reporting party. If this were my forum, and I was to have given posting bans, you would have recieved one too.

Any particular reason for wishing to give me a ban, given that I asked for assistance and when none was forthcoming or apparent, I then responded. Of course by that time, I'd understood due to the lack of action, that rules weren't being enforced. Not quite sure what I could be banned for anyway to be honest, and you don't quote anything relevant. No need to get drawn into that argument though, I think I've made my point pretty clearly.

Of course you don't owe any explanation to a reporting party. I never said you did! I would suggest that since I'd received a response previously it is likely that I think this is common practice. Wouldn't you in those circumstances? As for whether it is a good idea to respond - time allowing, then yes I do.

Perhaps there could be a little icon added to those who have been given warnings, highlighting this fact. These could disappear in time. This would save you responding with people if that is too time consuming. As you said you don't have to do this, but highlighting a matter has been addressed (not how) is always sensible. Just look what happens when you don't tell an employee in the workplace, who has made a formal complaint, that you've addressed the issue. You don't tell them how, but you do make sure that they know you've been through a process, and that is only right and fair!

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Originally posted by banana69

I think u maybe need to get something else to occupy your day, maybe too much time on your hands.

Good luck with your fight.

Thanks - I do have other things to do. Don't intend fighting if people don't want an improved site.

1. Welcome to the internet
2. When breaking rules on a forum, the first action is not a ban. Especially for something as trivial as derogatory language.
3. As a mod of this forum section, I did warn the people in the thread to stop flaming (first action taken for breaking the rules). There was nothing more needed at this point.
4. Flaming continued from both sides. Thread closed (second action taken for breaking the rule again).

Case should be closed, especially since I told you how I felt about the thread in PM.
There's nothing worth a ban in that thread and even less worth a legal action (the "I'm an expert" card is old now...).

You're not trying to improve the site for people, you just want your opinion on the matter to be executed as you wish (you did the same in the 1 voters topic) and it's not going to happen.

you don't seem like you're that interested in actual punishment for them... More like you're own satisfaction at that. sugarpie has said multiple times you don't know what has happened to them, yet you want some sort of flag or icon for that. Interesting... Let's make them wear A's on their profile pictures for a month... not like adulterer in the literary work, but for @$$h@le... Cuz they hurt you're feelings? looks like you're acting like the small child that only wants the public apology/humiliation for those that dare attack you... Just sayin. I don't care either way, but don't waste time with whining... Look at boobs

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Originally posted by omuh

1. Welcome to the internet
2. When breaking rules on a forum, the first action is not a ban. Especially for something as trivial as derogatory language.
3. As a mod of this forum section, I did warn the people in the thread to stop flaming (first action taken for breaking the rules). There was nothing more needed at this point.
4. Flaming continued from both sides. Thread closed (second action taken for breaking the rule again).

Case should be closed, especially since I told you how I felt about the thread in PM.
There's nothing worth a ban in that thread and even less worth a legal action (the "I'm an expert" card is old now...).

You're not trying to improve the site for people, you just want your opinion on the matter to be executed as you wish (you did the same in the 1 voters topic) and it's not going to happen.

Utter rubbish Im afraid. I don't intend to listen to anyone who tells me what Im doing. I know that and not you. Thank-you!

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Originally posted by reaper747

you don't seem like you're that interested in actual punishment for them... More like you're own satisfaction at that. sugarpie has said multiple times you don't know what has happened to them, yet you want some sort of flag or icon for that. Interesting... Let's make them wear A's on their profile pictures for a month... not like adulterer in the literary work, but for @$$h@le... Cuz they hurt you're feelings? looks like you're acting like the small child that only wants the public apology/humiliation for those that dare attack you... Just sayin. I don't care either way, but don't waste time with whining... Look at boobs

Actually I made a suggestion about what could happen. My personal preference would just be to be told that the matter has been looked into, so you're wrong that I want to brand them. Tjey didn't hurt my feelings (but Ive covered that before several times. As for attacking me, you are right that I don't think it is appropriate and I don't like your attack either - just saying (there is a g at the end of the word by the way). There seem to be a lot of odd people who don't want to improve the site - hopefully you are someone who does and will respond next time with that thought in mind.

I do like looking at boobs, and am not whining. Im trying to understand why a site has rules and doesn't want to enforce them. Seem stupid to me, though obviously it makes sense to you for some unknown reason.
Now can we all actually:-

1) Try not to be rude and attack one another
2) Try to focus on why we have rules when we don't bother with them
3) Actually note that there are laws in relation to internet harassment but acknowledge that I've addressed that and my intentions several times
4) Let's make this a better site and get rid of unwanted abusive biggots.

This is going no where.

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Originally posted by deathbyboredom

This is going no where.

Yip!

I have been in the forum world a long time. You will never have a busy Off topic forum as long as personal attacks and/or name calling are allowed. Members get mad and get their feeling hurt and/or members are afraid to post and start threads because due to fear of being personally attacked. Just like real life, you can run members off the forum or they may just sit back and look at porn. Just depends on what the forums owner priority is. I am not talking about this guys problem but just forums in general. If your goal is a busy OT then you have to control the personal attacks

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Originally posted by sirlickalot

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Any particular reason for wishing to give me a ban, given that I asked for assistance and when none was forthcoming or apparent, I then responded. Of course by that time, I'd understood due to the lack of action, that rules weren't being enforced. Not quite sure what I could be banned for anyway to be honest, and you don't quote anything relevant. No need to get drawn into that argument though, I think I've made my point pretty clearly.

Of course you don't owe any explanation to a reporting party. I never said you did! I would suggest that since I'd received a response previously it is likely that I think this is common practice. Wouldn't you in those circumstances? As for whether it is a good idea to respond - time allowing, then yes I do.

Perhaps there could be a little icon added to those who have been given warnings, highlighting this fact. These could disappear in time. This would save you responding with people if that is too time consuming. As you said you don't have to do this, but highlighting a matter has been addressed (not how) is always sensible. Just look what happens when you don't tell an employee in the workplace, who has made a formal complaint, that you've addressed the issue. You don't tell them how, but you do make sure that they know you've been through a process, and that is only right and fair!

Here is a perfect example:

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Originally posted by ishavedmyballs4this

Of course there are no threads with people complaining about chronic 10 voters. People would much rather take an undeserved pat on the head than a kick to the groin. I'll also agree with you that it is weird that you would be concerned to any degree about feedback, positive or negative, concerning images you 'found' and don't have any form of professional vested interest in (i.e. copyright ownership as the original photographer or model).
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Reported? Oh no! And this abuse of the facility you speak of, exactly how is everyone threatened by this rampant abuse? How does it affect the site overall? Do the roaming wild packs of auto 1 and 10 voters threaten the very core of the site's users? Are these barbarians threatening the very fiber of your being? Do you have to walk down your street hanging your head in shame that something you posted got a 1 on this vital cornerstone of the internet? Now you've got me concerned and worried that I've shaved my balls for naught but a travesty.

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Originally posted by sirlickalot

Yes - reported. Read the forum rules "Flaming, Bashing and Trolling

Hate posts and personal attacks will not be tolerated on the forums. Treat others on these message forums as you would expect them to treat you. Posting topics specifically designed to provoke a negative response from someone is also asked to be avoided." ! Of course if you don't want to adhere to these reasonable rules, then may the razor slip next time and may you enjoy another site for trolls and very insecure people such as your goodself.

The poster you quoted said nothing derogatory to you, was not baiting you, was not insulting you, or trolling you in ANY WAY...how do you reply to him?? You wish him harm and call him insecure.

Quite frankly, the more I rread that thread, the more I feel you were the instigator in all the name calling. It's not my forum to moderate, but reading what Omuh as written here, the action he took in that thread were the right ones to take, and you call it "utter rubbish". These are the same sort of comments that lead to the other thread being shut down. So I will say it here, and I will say it now. You have had your chance to express your opinion within this thread, you may continue to have a healthy debate, but if you continue to belittle other members opinions, and make posts specifically designed to provoke a negative response, then I will enforce the rules to the letter, and take away your posting rights.