Racism

I don't think the fact that our president-elect is African American will bring about more racism per se, but I do think it will give the quiet bigots something to talk about.

It may seem like there are more racists, but in reality a highly educated, well dressed and extremely articulate African American president shouldn't bring about more uneducated fucktards. It will piss off the original fucktards, but at least their children, while watching rap videos, will not look at Lil' Wayne and think to themselves: "there is a cool black dude," they will instead look at the Columbia and Harvard graduate who is running the greatest country on earth (fuck you, I'm biased) and think "Now that is the face of America."

And shit, I'm a republican. I love the fact that the president is black, I was just hoping the first black president would be Colin Powell...

Off topic I know, but Bangladesh, who is your avatar girl??? She is tremendous.

Naturally I've noticed an increase in racist commentary lately. It'll subside.

And no, it's not okay. It's not okay when it comes from a white person and it's not okay when it comes from a black person either.

For some odd reason, some people feel they get a free pass because of their skin color. Whether they're making the joke about members of their own race or someone else's.

Where I come from a duck is a duck, and a racial slur is a racial slur.

Racism is racism, and I don't really give a fuck what color the source is.

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Originally posted by Honda_X

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I know rite.

It seems to me quite a few people are secretly racist. I thought (especially in Canada) very few people were racist, since my family has never been like that...my dads bestfriend while I was growing up was his friend Becky, who was black..I just never really seen Becky as anything but another man...but my dad would tell me he took shit for being his friend, because a lot of people were secretly racist. I learned this when I started working..I really had no idea people were still so ignorant..but, maybe they just had a different upbringing than I..

Your dad's best friend was a boy named Becky and the best the other kids could muster were racial jokes?

Give me a guy named Becky to talk about and I don't care if you paint that mother fucker purple; that is not what I intend to make fun of.




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I don;t think that by telling racist jokes is considered racist! I tell jokes about lots of subjects. In fairness, 90% of jokes are offensive to someone, so by re-telling a racist joke does not make you a racist.

Most people i know who class themselves as racist, would happily take money from someone of another race, they would drink with them if "they were alright" and would also sleep with a girl from another race.

True racists are cowards, hypocrites and are ignorant.

Saying all that, news from the Whitehouse is George Bush's wallet has been stolen

Part of it is secret racism. But part of it is not.

If you want to play devil's advocate, then you could actually see this in a positive light. For the jokes you receive that are equivalent to the jokes about whites you have seen before and laughed at, it means that everyone is finally being looked on as equal. For the really racist crap, you now know the truth about those people.



This does bring up something I have mentioned before. Forced racial civility does not lead to a reduction in the racist mindset. It just drives it underground and allows it to grow in the dark. This may actually throw some light upon it and cause it to die.

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Originally posted by BDWW

For the record...I am BLACK. Not African American. Not Negro. Just Black. BUT before I am ANYTHING else I am AMERICAN.

Artie, your opening smacked of liberal victocratic ideaology/mentality hence my response. I hope you can see that. In this forum, on this website race does not exist. For the most part countries don't either. We are all just people here. No faces, just voices. We all have our opinions. We won't agree on everything. With that said, it is time for EVERYONE to bury the bullshit. Victim mentality is what has been hurting ALL of us. People need to stand up and take responsibilty for that which is theirs, that which is not theirs but they can help and for their communities as a whole. If people acted more responsibly across the board, what could be accomplished?

Worry less about what you perceive to be racist, unless it is an overt, plain and clear remark, then act. Worry more about who you will be in the scheme of things. Will you be part of the solution, or part of the problem. I too am a boomer. I have seen more than my fair share of racism and bigotry. Yet I live in one of the most affluent cities in the world, lead a comfortable lifestyle, eat at the finest restaraunts, blah blah blah. My life became this when
I stopped blaming everyone else, owned my own shit, manned up and moved forward. Not to say I did not run into human speedbumps along the way....Katt Williams says "You need haters. The more haters you have, the better you know you are doing...."

Best damn response I've see yet BDWW, everything you had said there is true, and the part about blaming everyone else needs to stop for anyone (white, black, purple), whatever color your skin is.

I agree ^^^^^^

I have seen it both ways for a long time. I have seen many black people that I have dealt with during my career keep saying the white man is keeping us down. I always told them that your values and principles are keeping you down. Nothing is free. You want a good job, you need education. Without education you will get nothing. Acting like a wanna be thug dope dealer and making these TONY SOPRANO wanna be's rich by buying their junk is keeping you down. I beleive the truly black people that have strived to be good productive American know what I am saying. I grew up in the bad side of town. My Father's bestfriend was also black. He decided to get in touch with his roots and go to Africa. He came back pissed saying they spit on him, called him Uncle Tom and house Ni**R and such. He said they did and said stuff to him that he wasnt called in America. He said I am not African American, I am American...period. As he and my dad talked, my dad asked him were you born in Africa....NO, Was I born in Greece...NO. Yes these countries are our heritage and represent our families and struggles, but in the end YOU ARE AMERICAN, I AM AMERICAN!nothing else.

I always lived by this and carried into my job. It was told by a black coworker a long time ago and has stuck with me...WRONG HAS NO COLOR.

A few years back, I lived on the egde of a black neighborhood. I had a few black friends, including girlfriends. When I tried to hang out with these guys in their neighborhood, I got a fair amount of shit about it. And this was considered acceptable. But if the black dudes hung out in my white area, and someone gave them shit, or tried to run them out, they were racist, and the shit really hit the fan. I realize this sounds pretty juvenile, but I've never been able to understand it. Can anyone explain why this is?

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Originally posted by Tarquin

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Your dad's best friend was a boy named Becky and the best the other kids could muster were racial jokes?

Give me a guy named Becky to talk about and I don't care if you paint that mother fucker purple; that is not what I intend to make fun of.

You wouldn't have made fun of Becky, that dude was built like a truck. My dad once glued his shoes to the floor as a joke, and he put his feet in them, reached up and grabbed a railing to try to get his shoes loose, and ended up ripping the railing out of the concrete floor..

(according to my dad, he was not one to be fucked with)...but he was a super nice guy, he still comes over now and then with his kids.

BDWW has, in my opinion, the best resonse yet. Raidbowdemon is #2.

While I have to say that I have noticed a little more racism, locally, I think it's more a result of people looking for something to criticize and just stumbling upon the first thing they find. Obviously, anyone with half a brain can find policy issues and substantive facts to fuel their arguments against Obama, and it's just an indictment of the people who stoop to that level as a response. If you can't criticize someone for the content of their character/ideology then it's probably because you don't have enough factual ammunition to support your criticism.

And, BDWW, your posts, especially the first, were very well put.

iv noticed more racist stuff being said and its only gonna get worse

Also, bear this in mind:

America was founded in 1776, and there was discussion then over whether or not slavery should be permitted.

Almost 100 years later in 1861 The American Civil War began.

Over 100 years later, blacks were given the right to vote.

Women's Suffrage is a movement that began as early as before the nation's founding in 1776, and women were finally granted the right to vote in 1920., potentially 150 years or more after the movement began.

Blacks only gained the right to vote in 1965 and an official end to legal segregation in 1968.

It's now 2008. It's only been 40 years.

The speed at which society moves now is far more rapid than at any time in previous history. We still have people who are relatively young that were part of the segregation issue - and that were inundated with the propaganda from both sides (depending on where they fell on the issue).

That's a very rapid transition for an entire society to make. Dangerously rapid, some social experts might argue.

The speed at which our society moves now leaves people behind - and we of the younger generation - the information age - tend to look on 40 years ago as ancient history.

But it is not. There are still some very young people that have not had time to adapt to modern society.

It's not entirely fair to blame them or their cultural enclaves. That's an astonishingly rapid pace of social evolution. So yes, there will be some resistance and some relics of it... It's not ancient history, no matter how much we'd like to pretend it was.






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I agree, well put BDWW...those posts were rock solid.

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Originally posted by Honda_X

...those posts were rock solid.

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I'm not racist, I fucking hate everyone

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Originally posted by BDWW

For the record...I am BLACK. Not African American. Not Negro. Just Black. BUT before I am ANYTHING else I am AMERICAN.

Artie, your opening smacked of liberal victocratic ideaology/mentality hence my response. I hope you can see that. In this forum, on this website race does not exist. For the most part countries don't either. We are all just people here. No faces, just voices. We all have our opinions. We won't agree on everything. With that said, it is time for EVERYONE to bury the bullshit. Victim mentality is what has been hurting ALL of us. People need to stand up and take responsibilty for that which is theirs, that which is not theirs but they can help and for their communities as a whole. If people acted more responsibly across the board, what could be accomplished?

Worry less about what you perceive to be racist, unless it is an overt, plain and clear remark, then act. Worry more about who you will be in the scheme of things. Will you be part of the solution, or part of the problem. I too am a boomer. I have seen more than my fair share of racism and bigotry. Yet I live in one of the most affluent cities in the world, lead a comfortable lifestyle, eat at the finest restaraunts, blah blah blah. My life became this whe I stopped blaming everyone else, owned my own shit, manned up and moved forward. Not to say I did not run into human speedbumps along the way....Katt Williams says "You need haters. The more haters you have, the better you know you are doing...."

I know others have said it already but this is a great response BDWW, I like the way you think. If more people, of all races, had your attitude our country would be kickin' some serious ass right now, and I mean that in an economic sense. I too think of myself as just an American and over the years it hasn't mattered to me who sat in the Oval Office, I have always been proud to be an American. So from one proud American too another, cheers my friend. (beer)

We must keep in mind that racism goes in multiple directions... And there are certainly differing levels of it... There are people I know that always send offensive e-mails... The ones that always send me racist crap I don't even read... I simply dump it and move on...You'll never change those people so I don't waste my time...

See the funny thing about humans, is that they fear what they don't know and fear breeds hate, if they don't learn about something, or don't want to learn about something, then they hate.

I know this girl that was raped by a black guy, she hates black men now, people think she is a racist because she doesn't go around telling people why she hates black guys. She is a very sweet and trusting girl, and I beat that fucker so bad when I found him, I am not racist either, but the local news tried to make it into a racial beating.

I guess what i am saying, is people hate what they don't know.