Let's talk about breast implants

From the 80's super fake looking breast implants till today the boob job has improved so much. The implants quality silicone, the natural looking teardrop shape instead of round implants (used a lot outside the US) and the implant placed under the muscle makes it more and more difficult to even tell if a girl had a boob job or not. Easy to spot on a skinny girl with big tits cause it barely exists without surgery!
Do you guys like girls with fake boobs or it is a turn off? Would you be ok that your gf/wife has a boob job?

I honestly don't understand why anyone would dislike a woman's breasts solely because she had a boob job. I understand not liking big breasts, but ruling them out because they've been enhanced...I don't get. So what if they look a little different...lots of boobs look a little different.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

I honestly don't understand why anyone would dislike a woman's breasts solely because she had a boob job. I understand not liking big breasts, but ruling them out because they've been enhanced...I don't get. So what if they look a little different...lots of boobs look a little different.

To me, the problem isn't the boob-job itself but the reason behind it. I have no problem with re-constructive implants even though I still find the look of (badly done) implants less appealing than natural breasts. But if a woman had implants for the sole purpose of getting bigger boobs because she was insecure without that, it's a turn off to me. Not physically, but mentally. I guess I'm not attracted to shallow people.

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Originally posted by omuh

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if a woman had implants for the sole purpose of getting bigger boobs because she was insecure without that, it's a turn off to me. Not physically, but mentally. I guess I'm not attracted to shallow people.

Hmm.

I would be careful to distinguish someone who is insecure between someone who is shallow.

Insecurity can be caused by things that were out of the person's control, like being teased or bullied as a child, or having demeaning parents, or any number of other psychological scarring things. If a person gains confidence and feels better about themselves by getting breast augmentation, I don't have a problem with that.

I don't really have much of a problem if they do it for shallow reasons either, but I'm less willing to defend them against other critics.

Insecurity: "People will like me more if I have larger boobs."
Shallow: "My bikini will look and fit better if I get large boobs"

Then there are the practical reasons: "I'll make more money as a waitress/bartender/stripper with larger boobs."

I like the way they look. But I don't think I can make a decision if I like them or not until I can actually touch a pair of fake ones.

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Originally posted by EricLindros

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Hmm.

I would be careful to distinguish someone who is insecure between someone who is shallow.

Insecurity can be caused by things that were out of the person's control, like being teased or bullied as a child, or having demeaning parents, or any number of other psychological scarring things. If a person gains confidence and feels better about themselves by getting breast augmentation, I don't have a problem with that.

I don't really have much of a problem if they do it for shallow reasons either, but I'm less willing to defend them against other critics.

Insecurity: "People will like me more if I have larger boobs."
Shallow: "My bikini will look and fit better if I get large boobs"

Then there are the practical reasons: "I'll make more money as a waitress/bartender/stripper with larger boobs."

Yep sorry I should have added another adjective to account for the insecure part as this is more weakness than shallowness.

To me, it's not ok to think you are going to feel better by having bigger boobs because you are not sorting out an insecurity problem by fixing a symptom. You fix it by doing work on yourself to accept you as you are and learn to deal with direct (remarks, bullies) or indirect (society pressure, ads etc.) criticisms. If you don't, you can expect feeling insecure for others reasons after that.

my opinion..they are her breasts and she can do with them what she wants. if she likes them better enhanced, she should;t give a shit what anyone else thinks. Hell, if a woman wants a breast reduction, does anyone "judge" that?

So, if I like a woman's boobs, I just like them....don't really care if they have been altered or not. I have seen some enhanced that turned me off and some unenhanced that turned me off...again, just depends on the boob, and frankly, the person they are attached to.

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Originally posted by omuh

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Yep sorry I should have added another adjective to account for the insecure part as this is more weakness than shallowness.

To me, it's not ok to think you are going to feel better by having bigger boobs because you are not sorting out an insecurity problem by fixing a symptom. You fix it by doing work on yourself to accept you as you are and learn to deal with direct (remarks, bullies) or indirect (society pressure, ads etc.) criticisms. If you don't, you can expect feeling insecure for others reasons after that.

By that logic, then anyone who gets plastic surgery for a non medical reason is open to be judged by you then. The person with the big nose, or benign mole on their face...they should have just learned to accept it? Lets take it a step further...what about the guy who gets hair transplants or what about the woman who wears a wig? We could go even further...if you're already in good shape, why do people bother toning and defining their muscles?

I disagree that it doesn't fix the problem of insecurity, I think the vast majority of women who get breast augmentation have that surgery and thats it. Sure, there are those that obsess over every little (what they consider) flaw on their body, and will get surgery to fix them all, but they're not the majority.
Lindros said:

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Insecurity: "People will like me more if I have larger boobs."

Which I think is partailly true, but I think you can also say:
Insecurity: I will like me more if I have larger boobs.

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Originally posted by seecalf

Hell, if a woman wants a breast reduction, does anyone "judge" that?

I completely agree with you. Granted...most reductions are done to avoid potential future medical problems and because they can't find clothing, but not all. I've considered a reduction for myself a time or two, but I'm not happy with the pictures I've seen of the results. For now, I'm ok, I work out and consider myself in pretty good shape so they're not too big, but I'm sure as I continue to get older thats gonna change, and when that happens, I may change my mind about the scaring.

You could make this same argument about something as benign as makeup. "If a woman is too insecure to go out without altering her looks through cosmetics, it's a turn off."

I don't have a problem with implants. If a woman wants bigger boobs, it's her choice. Some look better than others and some women get a little too extreme with cup sizes but for the most part, they're cool with me.

PS. I like boobs.

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Originally posted by Sugarpie

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By that logic, then anyone who gets plastic surgery for a non medical reason is open to be judged by you then. The person with the big nose, or benign mole on their face...they should have just learned to accept it? Lets take it a step further...what about the guy who gets hair transplants or what about the woman who wears a wig? We could go even further...if you're already in good shape, why do people bother toning and defining their muscles?

I disagree that it doesn't fix the problem of insecurity, I think the vast majority of women who get breast augmentation have that surgery and thats it. Sure, there are those that obsess over every little (what they consider) flaw on their body, and will get surgery to fix them all, but they're not the majority.
Lindros said: ... Which I think is partailly true, but I think you can also say:
Insecurity: I will like me more if I have larger boobs.

As I said before, I have no problem with the act itself but the reason behind it.
And I'm not judging anyone. You're free to deal with your problems the way you want. I'm just saying that if you think a physical change is going to solve a body acceptance issue which is a psychological condition, you can expect the problem to come up one way or another (I don't have the term in english for that phenomenon but that's the main problem the behavioural therapy has too). It might not happen everytime but it's not the more efficient and in depth way to deal with that kind of problem.

Also, there is a difference between make-up, body building or even piercing/tattoes which is something you generally do for aesthetics and lots of boobs-job (I'm not saying all of them) that are the result of a psychological pain. Again, it's the reason that makes it different.
But there are people that can't go out or show their face without make ups at all. Now, yes, that becomes a problem because they are probably suffering from this too.

The only part I would be allowed to judge is the aesthetic part and I already answered that part

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Originally posted by Davey45

You could make this same argument about something as benign as makeup. "If a woman is too insecure to go out without altering her looks through cosmetics, it's a turn off."

I don't have a problem with implants. If a woman wants bigger boobs, it's her choice. Some look better than others and some women get a little too extreme with cup sizes but for the most part, they're cool with me.

PS. I like boobs.

I was thinking about that, and also men that dye hair to remove grey, or women that change their hair color, also.

Omuh, you said people need to work on themselves, how is plastic surgery "not working on themselves"? They're addressing a problem so serious to their being that they're engaging in surgery to correct it.

What about women who get mastectomies or other surgeries? What's the difference between them getting implants to have a larger bust to feel better, and a flat-chested woman getting implants to have a larger bust to feel better? Shouldn't they both just accept themselves as they are?

I understand that whole "love yourself" thing, but just because someone is getting breast enhancement or a nose job or liposuction or hair implants or whatever done doesn't meant that they haven't tried to embrace themselves. Doesn't mean that they don't love themselves. Maybe they have embraced themselves and have accepted that they want or need themselves to have larger breasts.

Should a woman wake up one morning and go "fuck it, why not?" Maybe not, it's a serious investment mentally, physically, and monetarily. But, should a woman be able to consider it, be educated, and decide for her own reasons to get implants? Why not? It will help them feel better and feel more at home in their body.

That being said, I'd be willing to wager that women think about breasts in a lot of different fashions and deeper ways then men do. For men it's an alien and external issue. Its something we don't actually deal with. "They" have large breasts, or "they" have small breasts, "her" breasts are nice. It's superficial to us. But I'd bet it's as, or even more, inherent to women as the penis is to men. It's a part of who we are, a very large part of what defines our experiences, and perhaps ourselves, throughout our formative years and in our adulthood. A penis generally can't be seen through the multiple layers of clothes we wear, but men still get concerned and embarrassed or feel awkward about their penises even when they're hidden from the public 99% of the time. But the shape of a woman's breasts physically defines the clothes that she can wear, it's not something easily hidden the majority of the time.

But yeah, like I said, I bet women and men think and feel about women's breasts differently.

I heard Bangles' avatar has breast implants.

All natural, bb.

The only thing that I wonder bout is did she do it for herself, and her own vision for herself? Or was it done to change others view of her, and to boost their opinion of her. If the later is the case personally she did it for all of the wrong reasons.

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The only thing that I wonder bout is did she do it for herself, and her own vision for herself? Or was it done to change others view of her, and to boost their opinion of her. If the later is the case personally she did it for all of the wrong reasons.

Hello new person. Welcome to the discussion.
You should create a thread here and introduce yourself.

Figure8, I think you misread my post. The line about makeup wasn't my personal opinion. It was a rebuttal to the notion that women with augmentation are/were insecure.

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Originally posted by Bangledesh

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Hello new person. Welcome to the discussion.
You should create a thread [Link] and introduce yourself.

Yeah, wait...wut?

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Originally posted by figure8me

This is a hard subject for me to broach, but I will throw my hat in so to speak. I have to ask a question first though, to Omuh and Davey45, have you ever been in a woman's shoes who has had it done? Have you been in her mind as to why she did it? From the outside it can look black and white, but on the inside there are so many shades of grey and even some colors that it makes it hard to pinpoint the exact reason.

This is why my post is riddled with mentions that indicate everything isn't black & white. I don't like generalisations either and know there are a lot of different situations. I just didn't want to go into every details because, well, it could become boring ^^
The main thing I was trying to point out is that dealing with a psychological issue by doing surgery isn't the best way. It's a way that might work for some, depending on the situation and the woman involved but it's still not the best way to deal with body acceptance issue (whatever the part of the body concerned, so it also apply to men as well even though women are more concerned because the social pressure and standards are more regressive toward them).

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Originally posted by figure8me

Some women associate femininity with breasts, I'm not saying large breasts, but breasts because some women don't really have much at all if any. For me, I had a very hard time with who I was, how I fit in with the world, that sort of thing. (I could write a hell of a lot more here, but that would be War and Peace, and I'm not going to go into all of it). I agonized over the decision to do it for probably a year, because of reasons some of you have put down, it's superficial, I'm just trying to love myself etc etc. But guess what, I did do it and it was like night and day. I went in and came out (almost instantly in a way) a different person.

That's something I wanted to add in my previous post but didn't.
There is indeed a difference between wanting implants to actually have some boobs when you have almost none, because it's a strong feminine trait, and wanting implants because yours aren't big enough (but you still have some "normal" ones). In the first case, you also have to deal with the gender identification issue, so the reason isn't exactly the same (basically "I want boobs" =/= "I want bigger boobs" ).

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Originally posted by figure8me

I'd bet if guys could easily enlarge their penis this discussion would be going along differently too.

I would say the same about penis enlargement as it can easily be compared to the boob issue (with also some finely-shaded possibilities).

@Bangle : when I said work on yourself, I obviously meant on a psychological level

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Originally posted by figure8me

Some women associate femininity with breasts, I'm not saying large breasts, but breasts because some women don't really have much at all if any. For me, I had a very hard time with who I was, how I fit in with the world, that sort of thing. (I could write a hell of a lot more here, but that would be War and Peace, and I'm not going to go into all of it). I agonized over the decision to do it for probably a year, because of reasons some of you have put down, it's superficial, I'm just trying to love myself etc etc. But guess what, I did do it and it was like night and day. I went in and came out (almost instantly in a way) a different person.

It gave me the confidence to be who I am, to accept that I am this way. That may seem strange to some, but for the first time in a very long time I knew who I was. Now a lot of this is personal and I'll keep that out of here, but like I said earlier there is so much more to this than it seems. Now would you have known if I hadn't told you, some implants are obvious, others aren't... does that change the thinking then? Wouldn't it just become a woman with a bust?

F8M win the internet with this post.

She really summed up what I was attempting to say with my "I will like me more" comment on page 1. Right or wrong...boobs equal femininity in our society, all the confidence in your body image won't change this; plus you can have confidence without having boobs. If surgery can correct something that you weren't born with, then it solves the problem. Most of us take pride in our home, we take pride in our cars, we take pride in our clothing, we take pride in our body by working out...but if you can't achieve the body you want...even with the hardest work, then I don't see a problem with surgically correcting it.