is there a destiny?

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Originally posted by rogue-ish

thats not exactly what im saying. im saying that people dont like owning up to themselves come good or bad. if something bad happens then "everything happens for a reason" or if something good happens then God or someone else enabled it to happen. i believe that things dont happen for a reason. they just happen, and if they are bad, take it and roll with it. and if they are good people should learn to give themselves some credit.

fair enough..

Destiny is a way for the "winners" to minimize their own role in their accomplishments and a way for the "losers" to blame someone else.

You were destined to ask yhis question.

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Originally posted by rocknthefreewor

Destiny is a way for the "winners" to minimize their own role in their accomplishments and a way for the "losers" to blame someone else.

amen

Destiny was made up so a fatass could sit at home doing nothing but eating potato chips and watching football, claiming it to be his "destiny"

i believe in the tao, a power that leads your way if you let it. all you gotta do is stop struggling and fighting against it (and for illusions you have) and let life just take control over your ways...
its hard to live it though, i wasnt able to really let loose yet. but it seems pretty convincing to me

^^no offense against you but i hate crap like that. its just another excuse to "let life take control". you are in control and only you. nothing else, because there is nothing but the human conciousness.

I can't speak for anyone but myself but dare I say it I believe there is something greater out there than human consciousness and that we are tied to it. I do not believe it is god in the conventional sense and I have absolutely no proof to back up my position. I am not saying it is karma or ki or chi or anything like that. I feel one must make ones own choices and live with the outcomes good or not so good, we all have skills and faults no one is making you use them or fall prey too them. Take it or leave it, life is to be lived.

to each their own

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Originally posted by Latino

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And that's when destiny breaths it's last breath

then everyones destiny is the same, we are all going to end up dead
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Well
I've been a practicing budhist for many years and here are some of my thoughts...
the toughest thing that I and many people (I believe) stuggle with is the idea of attachment...
What I mean by that is the way people cling to ideas about themselves.
These can be as simple as "I am fat" or "gay" or "rich"
or as complex as the totality of self such as "I am Jolly" and the whole class of thoughs, images,personal beliefs, ect, that are entailed by that ideal.
The way I see this as related to destiny follows in this way...
When a person becomes too attached to the ideas and ideals that mke up who they think they are or who they think have to be, then the idea of a particular "destiny" will start to solidify around that person and they will be trapped in themselves; sort of like a self designed and imposed prison.
As for everybody's destiny untimately being the same (ie death) that is certainly true. A friend of mine who is a Zen Budhist put it to me in a particularly pleasing way.

Life is not a science but an art.

His example was that of poetry ;
Most forms of poetry have very specific rules about sylables and number of lines, ect.
The form is ridgid , but how you express yourself in that framework is how you can create beauty and meaning.
So life may have a a seemingly ridgid stucture ; Birth, school,work, death . It seems to me that there is an amazing amount of potential for growth,creativity and beauty within that framework.
The poemm my friend wrote me as an example was a hiaku;

Fine Bloom Fiercely Spread
Combed By Rude Bee's Spiney Leg
Petals Fades, Seed Falls

So for me , the question I ask myself is, "am I an Artist or just a hack"

Z



(I will be surprised if anyone but latino reads this whole thing)

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Originally posted by Zeitgeist

(I will be surprised if anyone but latino reads this whole thing)

i read it all....and am thankfull we have some deep thinkers here, makes life more interesting


people wouldnt think of me as a thinker if they saw me though

No such thing as destiny.... just another cop out or coincidence given more credence than it's worth.

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Originally posted by rogue-ish

^^no offense against you but i hate crap like that. its just another excuse to "let life take control". you are in control and only you. nothing else, because there is nothing but the human conciousness.

you are in control of what you do, but you aint in control of what life offers to you. just gotta see what comes around and take it...

"life aint a bitch, you just call her so, cuz she wont let you fuck her"